Is consciousness to be found in quantum processes in microtubules?

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  1. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    No need to hang about.

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    This paper was published in something called the "Journal of Modern Physics", a title probably designed to be confused with the International Journal of Modern Physics, which is a serious and prestigious journal.

    The "Journal of Modern Physics" is published by a Chinese outfit called SCIRP that masquerades as being based in the USA. It seems to be meet the criteria for Beall's List of possibly predatory journals. More here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_Research_Publishing. Any paper published in it should be treated with suspicion, as the publishers are motivated by making money from the researchers, who have to pay to get their stuff published. There is therefore an incentive to publish any old rubbish that would be rejected by a proper scientific journal.

    In this case the Abstract does not make sense, so I'm not wasting my time ploughing through it.
     
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  3. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Of course not. See ya.......
     
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  7. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    We? Do you presume to speak for others? Leader of the pack? How quaint, almost Trumpian.
     
  8. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Lest we forget the importance of the role microtubules play in the existence of most all living organisms, here is a neat little video that just adresses the actual chemical activity of microtubules in a clear and concise manner.

    Microtubules;


    and their related Microfilaments
     
  9. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    The Fibonacci sequence maintains symmetry and an even distribution of mass for balance, a fundamental requirement of natural vertical growth such as in flowering plants and trees, which need to grow vertically toward their source of energy, the sun.

    This is a beautiful example of evolution and natural selection of beneficial properties and in effect proves the mathematical nature of spacetime.

    This configuration has many interesting and important properties:

    Notice the left-right symmetry - it is its own mirror image.
    Notice that in each row, the second number counts the row.
    Notice that in each row, the 2nd + the 3rd counts the number of numbers above that line.
    There are endless variations on this theme.
    Next, notice what happens when we add up the numbers in each row - we get our doubling sequence.

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    https://math.temple.edu/~reich/Fib/fibo.html

    Hence the Fibonacci Sequence is an exponential function, a natural mathematical additive function. It naturally forms an inherent spiral pattern, which is used in the most fundamental information processor in all Eukariotic organisms.

    Livio says Fibonacci numbers are “a kind of Golden Ratio in disguise,” as they are found in even microscopic places, such as in the microtubules of an animal cell. The ubiquity of logarithmic spirals in the animal, bird, and plant kingdoms presents a convincing case for a cosmic character of the Golden Ratio (Boeyens and Thackeray).

    https://fibonacci.com/animals/
     
  10. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    BINGO, again.

    And that's Pascal's Triangle, not the Fibonacci series.

    The Fibonacci series is not an exponential function.
     
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  12. Sarkus Hippomonstrosesquippedalo phobe Valued Senior Member

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    Well, it isn’t expressed as an exponential, but it does display exponential growth. Isn’t the Binet formula for the nth Fibonacci number the sum of two exponentials (or strictly one minus another), which at large n can be approximated to 1/sqrt(5) * ((1+sqrt(5))/2)^n ?

    (Excuse my lack of proficiency in using mathematical text).
     
  13. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    I understand be approximated by an exponential expression.

    I also gather that you can get a Fibonacci series out of Pascal's Triangle, by adding up diagonally aligned elements of it.
     
  14. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Bingo!

    I'll add that observation in a slightly different form.
    "I also gather that you can get a Pascal's Triangle out of a Fibonacci series."

    Just to remind the reader of the link from which this was quoted.

    THE FIBONACCI SEQUENCE, SPIRALS AND THE GOLDEN MEAN
    https://math.temple.edu/~reich/Fib/fibo.html

    And the sum of the numbers on each row add up to an exponential function (as is clearly illustrated)

    Actually I posted this in furtherance of my research on "microtubules". I find all these relationships very interesting and informative in context of naturally occurring quasi-intelligent mathematical functions.
     
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    In furtherance of the importance of the role microtubules play in living organisms, here is a very nice pictorial representation of microtubular construction and functions;

    Using the arrows one can navigate through several illustrative and functional pictorials.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microtubule#/media/File:Microtubule_structure.png

    After studying these representations, visualize that the body contains "trillions" of these dynamical nano-scale processors.

    The common viewpoint is that the neural network may provide the basis for consciousness.

    I am just bringing attention to the processors from which the neurons are constructed.

    By following the highlighted links the viewer may gain insight into the versatility and dynamic abilities that microtubule processing networks afford all Eukaryotic organisms from single celled paramecium to humans.
     
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    Role of microtubules in plants.

    Autophagy. 2015 Dec; 11(12): 2259–2274.
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4835195/
     
  17. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Guess?......

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    Microtubules, the Structural Foundation of Your Cells

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    Daughter Cells and Chromosome Movement

    https://www.thoughtco.com/microtubules-373545
     
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    Discovered another very interesting article on microtubules.
    Alzheimer’s Related Memory Problems Reduced With Immunotherapy

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    NEUROSCIENCE NEWS MARCH 26, 2015

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    This image is for illustrative purposes only and is a diagram of how microtubules disintegrate with Alzheimer’s disease Image credit: ADEAR/NIA.
    https://neurosciencenews.com/memory-loss-reversal-alzheimers-immunotherapy-1894/
     
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    I am finding some information that seems to support my initial assumptions based on Hameroff's hypothesis.
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3297561/
     
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    Additional excerpts.

    Cytoskeletal Signaling: Is Memory Encoded in Microtubule Lattices by CaMKII Phosphorylation?
    https://journals.plos.org/ploscompbiol/article?id=10.1371/journal.pcbi.1002421
     
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    I see an interesting parallell between brain function and how brainless slime-mold employs its pseudopodic abilities.

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    Chaos carolinense, an amoeboid having lobopodia
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudopodia

    Does this remind of a braincell? It is capable of communication, it has memory of time intervals and recognizes chemical trails left by previous area searches, so that it does not repeatedly search the same area. This trail marking allows the slimemold to solve the most intricate mazes and form traffic networks that rival human highway systems.
    Pretty sophisticated information processing IMO.

    These brainless pseudopods behave as if they are at least semiconscious and are a tiny little brain in and of themselves .
     
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    Actin and Microtubules in Cell Motility: Which One is in Control?
    https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1111/j.1600-0854.2004.00196.x

    The pdf has additional illustrations.
     
  23. origin Heading towards oblivion Valued Senior Member

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    Holy crap, you seriously are still blathering on about this??? Well, back on ignore you go...
     
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