"Is Royalty worth preserving?

Discussion in 'Free Thoughts' started by IXL777, Jun 3, 2003.

  1. aghart Registered Senior Member

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    That could be classed as 'treason' and the death penalty still exists in the UK for acts of treason. So Thor 'off with your head'.

    Strange how people without a monachy are fasinated by it while many people with one say they don't want it.

    we got rid of the monachy once before but the people realised what they were missing and wanted it back, I mean who would want that scumbag and miserable git Oliver Cromwell in charge anyway.
     
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  3. IXL777 mature with wisdom Registered Senior Member

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    we got rid of the monachy once before but the people realised what they were missing and wanted it back, I mean who would want that scumbag and miserable git Oliver Cromwell in charge anyway. [/B][/QUOTE]

    aghart..you are absolutely right.

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  5. BillClintonsCigar Registered Senior Member

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    You really think that?? Not me! I agree with the fun loving criminals view: "I'd rather have money than fame". (However post-mortem fame is different!

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  7. Captain_Crunch Club Ninja Valued Senior Member

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    O.k, I have a few things I would like to address that Ive read in this thread. All people that have responded to this thread with the exception of Thor addressed the Royal Family as 'British', this is inaccurate to some extent although I dont disagree with the title. 'Britain' is made up of four countries; Scotland, England, Wales and Northern Ireland. Scotland has had its own Royal family that was completely unrelated to the English monarchy entirely until they were overthrown by the English, they are the self imposed Royalty of Britain and to me, this does not make them have any juristiction in this country and neither does it make them the reigning monarchy. I do realise that by law it does and they do but the law is fucked up anyway.

    All the Royal family do in my eyes is waste the tax payers money and occationally embarrass the nation by doing/saying something ridiculous. Its as if its a burden for some of them to be British (without naming names because it will be entirely obvious who if you know anything about them.)

    And now to address some folks in this thread...
    This is bullshit, sure, they generate some tourism but they spend much more than the profits generated. The tabloids exploit everyone and anybody that they know that they will make money from. If the Royal family ceased to exist tomorrow, the tabloids would move onto something else, its the way the world works.
    I agree full-heartedly with this statement.

    And now for stu43t who kindly gave me the opportunity to nitpick his posts because they arent very accurate at all.

    Yes, the Royal family has lost the old powers it used to hold. In recent times however the Royal family havnt been doing any 'PR' work and they certainly dont represent the people or the 'British' way of life, i certainly dont know anyone that owns a palace. If im not mistaken the Queen is the head of the 'common wealth' but the thing about this is, britain isnt part of it and few countries are. This is all the 'PR' work that she used to do. Also, they are known to have been embassadors to other Royal families throughout the world, this is all.
    Yes, i admit Tony Blair is incapable of thinking for himself and is increasingly obessed of how he will be remembered in history. Of course i admit this. You leave out one point which i think is very relevant if you are deciding to pick on this; he wasnt voted in by the majority of the 'British' people. Yes, this is dumb but the system needs fixing and they wont fix the system if they are benefiting from it at the end of the day.
    They wont give us a referendum because it wouldnt be beneficial to what they want, they know that the public would probally vote for the opposite of what the labour party wants.
    Isnt it a people's right to moan? And no, as it was previously mentioned, the eurovision team was shit. You would have to be tone deaf to have voted for them.
    I hate to pass the buck but it was and always has been England's football supporters that are known to start riots etc. Not 'Britain's' as you stated. The 'British' people did not want to go to war with iraq for any reason - indicated by mass protests - but the PM decided to not listen and go ahead with it anyways.
    Not at all, you must be oh so naive to believe that.

    Ah, that was hard work.
    Now...I cant see anyone addressing how the Royalty actually became Royalty in the first place, by killing millions of their own countrymen -and Scots- in wars and battles. Now, isnt the world filled with hypocricy. I thought thats who they were supposed to be protecting.
     
  8. IXL777 mature with wisdom Registered Senior Member

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    quote;As for the Eurovision - the singing was crap and off key; and it was the best you had to offer.

    It was crap and it was of key........end of story...unless you are deaf!
     
  9. stu43t Valued Senior Member

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    Now hang on a min Captain Crunch

    The Stewart dynasty descended from King Robert I's daughter and her husband, Walter the Steward. Despite early unrest and weak government caused by several Stewart kings succeeding as minors, the dynasty flourished for over three centuries.

    During this time, Scotland moved forward to become a modern and prosperous nation. Stewart monarchs such as King James IV and VI were Renaissance patrons of artistic, scientific, commercial, religious and political endeavour, sponsoring figures including the poet Robert Henryson and humanist George Buchanan. Also of significance was the arrival in the mid-sixteenth century of the Reformation movement, bringing about the replacement of Catholic Mary Queen of Scots by her son King James VI.

    It was through the Stewart dynasty that the two thrones of England and Scotland - and later the governments - came to be united. The 'Marriage of the Thistle and the Rose' took place at Stirling Castle in 1503 between King James IV and Princess Margaret Tudor, daughter of King Henry VII of England. This union of the Scottish and English royal families eventually led in 1603 to the succession of a Stewart (now with a change of spelling) to the throne of England.

    Until 1603 the English and Scottish Crowns were separate, but following the Accession of King James VI of Scotland (I of England) to the English Throne, a single monarch reigned in the United Kingdom.

    So it wasn't a case of English Royalty gaining Scotland, more the other way round.
     
  10. Thor "Pfft, Rebel scum!" Valued Senior Member

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    He was commenting on the 'and it was the best you had to offer.' part.

    It was not the best we had to offer, it's somewhere in the middle. Why the hell did we choose them anyway? A duo no-one had even heard of and we enter it into the Eurovision song contest. Maybe it was because they sounded Euro-pop like. Oh well, it was off-key and the song was just terrrible, lyrically and "instrumentally".

    Anyway:

    I can just use some law about Human Rights in, I believe, the Treaty of Amsterdam. And I think the Death Penalty was amended in the Terrorism Act (2000) anyway. Edit: Wait, no, I thought you said terrorism, mine eyes no see!! So yeah, no Terrorism Act :bugeye:

    Actually I was trying to address the remaining monarchy in the world but the English monarchy was my main concern.

    They'r actually taking a very smart approach. Everyone knows a single currency is the next step forward but the United Kingdom is joining when it is economically right to do so. If we join now, we'll gain in some areas and lose in others. I think it's being handled very well, I thought I'd never say that for our Labour government.

    I can second this

    And this
     
  11. IXL777 mature with wisdom Registered Senior Member

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    QUOTE:He was commenting on the 'and it was the best you had to offer.' part.

    We have dozens of brilliant song writers and hundreds of brilliant singers...the Eurovision is for people who have no taste at all in music!you might as well have a monkey playing a mouthorgan,would sound the same as some of the songs you hear!

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  12. Captain_Crunch Club Ninja Valued Senior Member

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    d'oh! my mistake.
    Correct.
     
  13. Thor "Pfft, Rebel scum!" Valued Senior Member

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    I'd like to know where they all are! Not in the charts that's for sure

    That'sa very ethnosentric view, yes I agree it's total crap but it depends on the taste of other cultures, Not just ours.

    I'd like to hear this, anyone got any samples?

    Sweet
     
  14. stu43t Valued Senior Member

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    Yep, the "Eurovision" IS crap, "It's a knockout" WAS crap, and "Eurotrash" is just that - TRASH.

    And now we have the European Union looming - more European trash I wonder, hmmmm!

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  15. firdroirich A friend of The Friends Registered Senior Member

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    Royalty creates & preserves itself, the will of the people is simply that - the will of the people, it has nothing to do with the linage ordained by God. So asking yourself what should happen is irrelevant , royals see themselves to be beyond your will - if you think I fib read about the 1830 & 1848 revolutions in France.

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