UFOs (UAPs): Explanations?

Discussion in 'UFOs, Ghosts and Monsters' started by Magical Realist, Oct 10, 2017.

  1. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    My my..So many excuses not to look into something. That's the last thing I'd expect from a scientific mind. So be it then.
     
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  3. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    It's a bit rich for you, of all people, to accuse me of not looking into it. Looking into it is something you've never done.
     
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  5. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Lying about people is also unbecoming of a scientific mind.
     
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  7. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Okay. Bored now, MR. I'll wait for you to post some kind of on-topic comment or something before replying again. I know you crave the attention, but this isn't advancing anything.
     
  8. foghorn Valued Senior Member

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    Okay. Your satisfied with MR's intention to carry in his normal style. All well and good.
     
  9. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Here is a compelling ufo account along with its occupants that took place September 16 1994 at the Ariel school in Zimbabwe Africa. During recess time 62 children ranging from ages 5 to 12 saw 2 to 3 disc-like ufos appear in the sky and land in a nearby field and occupants exit the craft. The occupants were described as having long necks, slender/frail bodies, big almond-shaped heads, and big black eyes. As the beings came near the kids, telepathic messages were received by a few of the kids regarding technology and our planet. At this point the kids were scared and ran back to the school. The kids were asked by teachers to separately draw pictures of what they saw and all the drawings were of the same ufo craft and their occupants. To this day the eyewitnesses of this ufo encounter remain insistent on the story,

    https://mysteriousuniverse.org/2020/02/the-mysterious-mass-alien-encounter-of-zimbabwe/

    https://www.inquisitr.com/3275225/z...tee-speaks-publicly-for-the-first-time-video/
     
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  10. foghorn Valued Senior Member

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    Magical roundabout for real:
    http://www.sciforums.com/threads/zimbabwe-ufo-contactee-speaks-out-for-first-time.157426/
     
  11. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    This is one of the most compelling cases I have researched.

    A psychologist followed up with interviews of all the witnesses and was equally mystified.

    Unfortunately, like all cases from the last millennium, the trail has gone pretty cold.
     
  12. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Here is a detailed account of the Zimbabwe encounter as well as the results of a remote viewing session where the 5 participants were separated and given no prior information on the target. The results are fascinating, honing in on some strange and unfamiliar piece of technology, occupants, time travel, high frequency vibrations, "folds/layers of spacetime", glossy surfaces, etc. You may not buy into remote viewing as a legit process, but I think this proves there is something to it, as well as confirming the landing of the ufo and its occupants. Here is one remarkable statement by the remote viewer Daz Smith:

    "Daz continues – 'I FEEL THAT I AM WATCHING SOMETHING I CANNOT FULLY COMPREHEND. THIS FEELS LIKE IT COULD BE A STRUCTURE THAT CONTAINS LIFE BUT THEN IT SEEMS TO FOLD AND CHANGE SHAPE INTO SOMETHING ELSE, ITS WHOLE SHAPE/MASS/DENSITY/FORM CHANGES. “THIS FEELS LIKE AN OBJECT BUILT TO FOLD SPACE + TIME” LIKE IT GENERATES IT’S OWN WORMHOLE OR SPACE OR TIME OR SOMETHING' Daz describes a lifeform present observing this object from a distance."

    http://www.remoteviewed.com/wp-cont...-scool-incident-full-project-and-sessions.pdf
     
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  13. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Yep, the results are "fascinating" and this incident will surely go down as the most bizarre thus far. But still not that extraordinary evidence that needs to be had to answer that age old question....are we alone. Who knows what can cause mass hallucinations, and of course that age old mob mentality.
     
  14. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    OK adding remote viewing as testimony to the mix hurts this case - in the same way that adding pyramid healing would.

    UFOlogy doesn't need any closer association with woo than it already has.
     
  15. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    As the session proves, remote viewing works. The results were too close to describing the ufo to be attributed to chance. Particularly striking is the realization that the ufo can change its shape. This has been a long observed attribute of ufos.
     
  16. Q-reeus Banned Valued Senior Member

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    Actually such incidents imo reinforces what may be termed the later Vallee position. Such phenomena are real but either materialized 'out of thin air' or projected into hapless participants heads by intrinsically non-material entities possessing powers far beyond human level. That includes 'actual landings with aliens disembarking'.

    The 1947 Roswell legend of flesh and blood greys carved up in autopsies makes zero sense. They traveled across vast interstellar distances quite ok but then got downed with an entirely foreseeable lightning strike?! Sure. And given the purportedly flimsy construction 'consistent' with somewhat small scouting craft, why no easily accomplished rescue mission from a presumed 'mother ship' nearby? Far too many holes in that and similar accounts. More likely by far just one chapter of an ever changing government/CIA/Air Force disinfo campaign.
    Too many closed minded trolls here seize on such things to holus bolus reject the enormous accumulated record of very reliably mass witnessed encounters.

    None of the projection hypocrite trolls here have ever attempted for instance to seriously refute the newer US Naval encounters. Particularly 2004 West coast and 2014-2015 (and ongoing) East coast naval carrier group perfectly synchronized multi-trained-witnesses + multi-state-of-the-art-radar-IR-optical jointly shipborne AND airborne records.
    Demanding as 'hard evidence' 'the little green men' land and line up for physicals and debriefings is such willfull stupidity. As I've said many times, we are dealing with non-material entities who have their own at best whimsical agendas and zero compulsion to comply with ridiculous demands of willfully ignorant, narrow-minded scoffers.
     
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  17. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Perhaps in your own opinion, but not if you decide to think about it just a little....So tell me, how many more flitterings in and flitterings out again, these Alien/dimensional/non material characters need to perform before it is reasonable to ask for the extraordinary evidence?
    Considering they would have nothing to fear of us.
     
  18. Q-reeus Banned Valued Senior Member

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    You keep repeating that tired 'flitting in and flitting out' refrain. Why not sit back and honestly self-analyze your own presuppositions for once?
    What I wrote last post, and likewise many earlier ones, covers imo the actual situation. I'm not claiming my pov is necessarily THE correct one. But I do claim it far better fits than stupid dismissals that trivialize and distort an abundance of observational evidence accumulated over a long period. Too many of you have a non-negotiable fixed position from which entirely misguided at best rationalizations, or worse base motivated flaming/trolling, is the only way to deal with the evidence.

    Far better imo to recognize the strength of accumulated evidence for the genuinely supernatural (non-mundane UFO phenomena being imo just one mode of that), and try and then work out an overall philosophy best fitting that evidence. You all know my position. Of necessity it has to be somewhat sketchy and hypothetical in nature since we are the goldfish in the bowl who cannot see out. But we can recognize when somewhat outside the bowl disturbs the waters etc. And not pretend it must be mass hysteria from fellow goldfish.
     
  19. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Yep, I see it as highly logical and relevant.
    My position isn't fixed or non negotiable. I have already said the last issue MR raised is probably the most bizarre and still not really fully explained. I did mention mass hallucinations and mob mentality, because I still see it as unidentified and bizarre, rather then supernatural.
    Get's back again as to why these whatevers don't make their often and many visitations official.
     
  20. Q-reeus Banned Valued Senior Member

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    Because the evidence points to them not wanting to. You expect beings with vastly greater intellect and abilities but entirely unknown game plans care for human expectations?
    Likely only as sources of amusement - prod and see if response matches their expectations.
    Once again - the totality of evidence says non-mundane UFO and allied phenomena are real. Adjust your thinking to fit the facts, not the other way round as is usual here. That irreducible 5-10% won't go away.
     
  21. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Basically, a few kids made up a story that was then blown up by irresponsible adults who coached the children until the children told them what the adults wanted to hear:

    https://badufos.blogspot.com/2016/07/a-new-investigation-of-1994-ariel.html
     
  22. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Insightful commentary from the same page linked in my previous post:
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    Classroom discussion the day after the Ariel school UFO sighting…

    TEACHER: Yesterday we witnessed something extraordinary. We saw a UFO! Can anyone explain what we saw? Anyone, raise your hand?
    Yes Johnny, what do you think it was?

    JOHNNY: Without a doubt it was an extraterrestrial craft from outer space. Extraterrestrial are millions of years ahead of us in technology and that's a fact!

    TEACHER: Very good, Johnny, anyone else?

    NICKY: Pick me, pick me...

    TEACHER: Nicky? You have two hands up, only one will do…

    NICKY: Definitely aliens! And they're planning an INVASION!

    TEACHER: Excellent point Nicky. Let's hear from the girls now..., Emily you have your hand up…

    EMILY: No, that's not right! They're NOT hostile! They are peaceful magical butterflies coming to Earth to guide us in the evolution of our consciousness!

    TEACHER: Very good Emily. I’m impressed.

    (Emily flips her hair and shoots Nicky a smug look.)

    TEACHER: Ok, anyone else? Yes, Bobby…

    BOBBY: Sir…extraordinary claims requires extraordinary evidence. I have not seen any evidence that suggests what we saw was “magical butterflies”.
    There was a re-entry of the Cosmos 2290 satellite in the area at the time we witness the UFO. I believe that’s what we saw. Occam's razor suggests that the hypothesis with the fewest assumptions should be the one chosen. In this case, a satellite re-entry makes sense to me…

    (awkward silence)

    TEACHER: Bobby, what kind of nonsense is that? Are you trying to be the class clown? Report to detention after school and write on the blackboard
    10 times "UFOs are Magical Butterflies”!

    BOBBY: (under his breath) What the #*$%!???

    TEACHER: I heard that! Make that 50 times!
     
  23. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Oh great. A completely unreliable technique is used to attempt to support other unreliable evidence. We're really into Men-who-stare-at-goats territory here.

    Yeah, 'cause an overactive imagination, as we all know, isn't a thing.

    What?! Are you serious? Of course you are; you believe all the woo all the time.

    What have we got here? A remote viewer who comes up with a description of an imagined event whose characteristics have in no way been reliably or objectively established. He could have imagined just about anything. And you, of course, consider this to be evidence of his magical powers. Sheesh.

    Okay. I'm remote viewing Daz right now.

    I feel like I'm watching a guy from a distance. Wait, I see him clearly now. His name is Daz. I think now I need some capital letters to emphasise just how amazing this is. I SEE DAZ FLOATING UP TO THE CEILING. I SEE DAZ EATING A GIANT LOLLIPOP THAT FOLDS AROUND ITSELF LIKE A MAGICAL BUTTERFLY! I FEEL THE ECSTASY OF THE LOLLIPOP! THE LOLLIPOP GENERATES ITS OWN UNIVERSE. I AM ONE WITH THE LOLLIPOP! NOW I SEE DAZ TURNING TO ME AND WHISPERING IN MY EAR. I CAN JUST MAKE OUT HIS VOICE IF I LISTEN CAREFULLY. HE'S SAYING "Feel the bullshit. IMBIBE the bullshit. BE the Bullshit." Now I'm coming back to our reality.

    Wow! What an amazing proof of remote viewing that was. Compelling!
     

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