Portland, Ore

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  1. mathman Valued Senior Member

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    Latest news (as far as I can tell): feds pulling out and state police not having problem with protesters.
     
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  3. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Changing one word won't fix that sentence. The copyeditor's verdict would be "recast".
    When you have successfully posted a criticism of billvon's supposed quote mining, other people will be able to think about it.
    They weren't.

    In my area they were undermined - their media coverage was partly hijacked - by white supremacists attempting to instigate even greater police overreaction to abetted and encouraged mob violence (and apparently getting cooperation from the police, who wanted to overreact, to do that). In Portland something similar seems to have happened - with the media playing a larger role in the hijacking. (Notice how small the area of actual violence by civilians in Portland was, and when the large majority of the violence occurred; until there were Federal agents on the scene to overreact and abuse people the violence was pretty much limited to graffiti).

    The strategy seems to be increasingly common - ever since Manson (at least) there have been frequent attempts by white supremacists to start some kind of "race war" via acting as agents provocateur. We have also seen an increasingly well organized and prepared national faction of white racists use such protests as opportunities to burn and loot black-owned businesses.

    In these efforts the civilian racists have received considerable cooperation from the police, the FBI, and now Republican Party associated paramilitary organizations. The bad apples once again seem to have acted as if they had nothing to worry about from law enforcement - in which assumption they have been proven correct, normally. (The recent likely identification of "umbrella man" in Minneapolis, for example, was apparently not due to police work or Federal agent efforts).
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    Hyperbole need not involve statements or claims, and it doesn't matter whether the stuff was meant to be taken "literally" or not.
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    Why yes - exactly.
    Hence the demonstrations, BLM protests, and so forth.
     
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  5. Vociferous Valued Senior Member

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    What can I say, erroneous context is the low hanging fruit of your posts, and they really don't warrant any more effort than that. Just because you may have the attention span of a gnat, and can't remember the only context given, regardless of how many "lines" ago, is not my problem. You erroneously interjecting a generalize context is your own bias at play.

    And I don't care what some apologists may say. I haven't said it. I freely acknowledge that sometimes Trump just says crap, without any thought to act on it. He's made a pretty good habit of trolling the press.

    And let's not forget that you're trying to use Trump saying police could be rougher to justify your claim that "politicians who allowed the murders to go on". That's a completely false equivalence. Or you're just plain ol' lying.


    The full news is that the feds agreed to pull out only after the local law enforcement had proven it could actually be allowed and capable of controlling those crowds themselves. It was the local Democrats who gave in, not the federal government.


    No, the police are not supposed to treat illegal alien gang members "as citizens of the country". And they are already guilt of the crime of violating immigration law.
     
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  7. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    pssst
    the fellow I quoted in #120 is black
    His life also matters
    or
    Are you playing a different game here?
     
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  8. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Funny, that. The GOP have been playing up the horrible violence caused by the evil marxist BLM in Portland, which justified Trump's shock troops being sent in, and which . . . disappeared as soon as those troops left.

    It's almost as the GOP has been lying to people about the cause of the unrest.
     
  9. Vociferous Valued Senior Member

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    You mean the almost two months of violence prior to the feds sending extra security?
     
  10. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    That is false.
    What happened was that the local law enforcement threatened to protect their citizens from the law-breaking Federal forces, to publicize the law-breaking behavior of the Federal forces, and possibly to sue the Feds for the extra violence and damage caused (often directly done) by the law-breaking Federal forces.

    That was, after all, the majority of the problem the local law had - until the Feds showed up they had been dealing mostly with graffiti and littering.
    Two months of graffiti vandalism and littering, for the most part.
    The forces the Federal government sent were poorly trained, wrongly equipped, and incompetent as police - as law-breaking thugs they were obviously well-equipped, experienced, and capable, but that increased the violence and reduced security for the citizenry of Portland.
     
  11. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    ... and the constitution
    ... and the american people
    ... and democracy
    ... and freedom
    ... and truth
    ... and justice
    ... and respect
    ... and honesty
    ... and compassion
    ... and science
    ... and sanity

    The list goes on and on as to the crap Trump says and what he trolls.
     
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  12. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    The "two months of violence" were a few incidents which got 24/7 coverage on right wing news for weeks. You've been had.
     
  13. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    Exactly, who would ever stand up to the Wall of Moms? They could ground all of us to our rooms.
     
  14. Vociferous Valued Senior Member

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    You're projecting.
     
  15. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    a few incidents
    150+ bullets fired into occupied apartments, cars and a woman
    wow is that peaceful enough for you?
    would you like to have that in your home?
    What level of lawlessness would you be happy with?
     
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  16. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Yes. I have family that lives there. They noticed . . . nothing much out of the ordinary. There was nothing outside those two blocks. And within those two blocks, there were a few very isolated incidents.

    So yes, I'd have absolutely no problem living in Portland.
    Yep. Was that woman Kristen Jessie-Uyanik? She was shot in the face by federal troops. Fortunately she recovered after a lot of stitches and a short hospital stay.

    Or Donavan LaBella? LaBella was shot in the head after raising his hands at the demand of Federal troops. He was knocked unconscious and spent weeks in the hospital recovering from serious brain damage. He's not fully recovered yet.

    Or the woman who was shot in the arm last night, five miles from the protest? That one? You think that BLM protesters had sniper rifles and were firing over the courthouse, aiming five miles to the East?

    So yes, there was a big problem in Portland. Fortunately, it just left.
     
  17. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    ?? I'm not the one describing Portland as "two months of violence" because of what I saw on TV.
     
  18. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    You're vociferously preaching!

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    And really, in your chosen fields of red neck politics and associated ID and religious dogma, you are so boring!!!
     
  19. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    i think he broke the soundboard. claiming you are projecting makes even less sense than his usual caterwauling
     
  20. Vociferous Valued Senior Member

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    I don't get my news from TV.
     
  21. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Obviously instead make up your own, in line with your red neckery political view.
     
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  22. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    The lives of black people with opinions matter. Got it.
    I'm not playing your game.

    Why do you guys post individual black people's media selected opinions, highlighted because they are racially black, in lieu of argument ? It looks exactly like one of the common, standard, stereotypical, racist memes that racial bigots have been covering ass with for centuries - literally, centuries. Yet you assure me you are not racially bigoted, or racist in any way.

    Perhaps you can find a way to post your actual argument, whatever it is, in some language and approach not so closely associated segregationists and pick handles.
    You and the rightwing TV are getting your "news" from the same place - but the TV guys get paid to parrot, which kind of excuses them in the US. Baby needs new shoes, etc.
     
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  23. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    the rightwing is a big fan of tokenism
     

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