The Confederate Flag

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  1. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    And so? Sorry, what point are you trying to make about Sudanese people?
     
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  3. parmalee peripatetic artisan Valued Senior Member

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    But "lack of formal talent" is but one type of constraint, and, aside from qualifications and suchlike, in art, music, etc. meaningful criteria for making any such assessment are non-existent anyways. Keith Rowe, rather (in)famously, has never tuned his guitar. I honestly haven't a clue whether or not he can actually "play," but I suspect not--if he can, he's had more than five decades to demonstrate. On the other hand--and within the world of AMM--I'm pretty sure that John Tilbury can play. He's played plenty of Feldman, after all, and it sounds about right. And if we're talking Morton Feldman works from the 50's or 60's, who's to say? Indeterminacy, graphic scores, extended techniques, etc. kinda render such assessments irrelevant.
     
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  5. parmalee peripatetic artisan Valued Senior Member

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    Anyways, what matters here (as in, within the context of this thread) is that the distinction between "I just don't get it" and "that's garbage" matters. The latter demands an explanation, and, far too often, we don't get one. Rather we get Vociferous's feeble efforts to besmirch reality with crap about images of penises being "objectively pornographic" and suchlike. Factor in the repeated claims of being consistently consistent and what you get is a shitshow.
     
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  7. parmalee peripatetic artisan Valued Senior Member

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    ???

    I haven't a clue as to what "demands" I've made here, but as far as "wanting..." goes... On reviewing this thread, the only "want..." I've expressed is an implied one, and that would be this: I want the federal government to get it's shit together and set up a coordinated system for testing, contact tracing and isolation for the coronavirus. How exactly is that "fascism?" And what definition of "tantrum" are you using here?
     
  8. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    I don't really find this guy to be the best but the Canada reference made me laugh.


    BTW your president doesn't care about America, he can't for one.

    Just, I thought you needed that spelled out for you.
     
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  9. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Not "we". It's just racist bs, to most of "us".
    Where are you? Right where George Wallace and Strom Thurmond were, the last time the average white racist voted Democrat.
    Aren't you one of the guys who fantasizes in public that all the systemic racism in the US disappeared in the 1800s?
    Assertions are not fallacies.
    By crunching the numbers, and arguing one's case.
    You would need some idea of what systemic racism is, of course.
    And you have an uphill push - the many, many, attempts to "falsify" that overwhelmingly significant and obviously explanatory aspect of American political reality have yet to display the appearance of reason even - let alone validity.
    Which proves that the racism in the US is significantly systemic, built in - it must be, to account for systematic "ethnic and cultural differences" correlating so precisely with systemically assigned "race".
    The total population of the Confederacy, black and white both, according to the US Census of 1860, was a bit less than 9 million. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1010442/population-confederate-states-1860-1870/
     
  10. foghorn Valued Senior Member

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    That's a good site.
    From your link
     
  11. Vociferous Valued Senior Member

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    Same as I already did. Different cultural influences tend to lead to different choices.


    If you only find the Confederate flag offensive, without any desire to limit the freedoms of others, good on you. Since everyone's free to be offended, we simply don't agree on what people ought to do voluntarily. And no amount of whining will change what people do.
     
  12. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Equally offensive and provocative, despite right wing redneck whining..

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  13. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Nobody's "freedoms" are at stake in having Confederate statues and flags and such removed from public land.
    No government in the US has the right to publicly threaten its ordinary and noncriminal citizens with racially motivated violence.
     
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  14. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    Maybe if you don't see the confederate flag as offensive you're truly dumb?
     
  15. CptBork Valued Senior Member

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    So I recall some of the mods in another thread were debating what to do about racist trolling, and I suggested that actions should come when someone keeps justifying their hatred/"tough love" by endlessly repeating the same points without addressing the rebuttals, labelling opposing arguments as strawmen/propaganda without justification, spinning data to represent a conclusion it very obviously doesn't support...
     
  16. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Ah, culture. That's a big umbrella. I thought you were talking about something to do with nationality or race or something like that.
     
  17. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    You've already admitted that you will change what you do due to "whining." (i.e. "O I am so offended that that store supports killing cops that I will refuse to shop there!") Other people are similar.
     
  18. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    careful he might decide your racist if you mention the racial implications of his posts and throw a tizzy.
     
  19. Vociferous Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, culture is an umbrella term. In this context, it's more about economic class than anything else. Poor people, of any race, ethnicity, or national origin, tend to make the same sorts of bad choices. Whites in Appalachia probably value education even less than blacks in Baltimore. It's not because of their race. It's largely due to the culture they are raised in, that justifies generations of such bad choices.

    Condoning murder is not whining. It's blatant immorality. Again, your analogy is flawed. Condoning murder is not the same as flying a flag, that doesn't represent slavery or racism to you. But unless you are advocating for anti-free speech laws to bar the rebel flag, all you're protests about it being flown are just empty whining. No one who flies one gives a crap about your opinion. At best, you're only virtue-signalling. #NoMoreRebelFlag
     
  20. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    very difficult when they are specifically targeting teenage groupies as followers while playing the whiny baby at authority routine
     
  21. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    I agree with you that different cultural backgrounds can lead people to make different life choices.

    There. That wasn't so hard, was it?
     
  22. Vociferous Valued Senior Member

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    Glad you asked. Otherwise, I'd have no idea if you were conflating culture with race, nationality, etc., and you'd have no idea if such possible conflation were accurate.
     
  23. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    No disagreement there. Your use of 'cancel culture' to protest that condoning makes sense.
    Nope, not to me. But I know it does to a great many people. And they are just as justified as you are in employing a very peaceful form of protest (which you call 'cancel culture') to protest it.
     

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