Corona Virus 2019-nCoV

Discussion in 'World Events' started by Quantum Quack, Jan 29, 2020.

  1. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    is such a key player in south east asia as a technology lead & business trade route
    as well as being a key mineral source for the engine rooms of the world
    it is burning piles of cash with the fence jumpers spreading covid

    its like the hard part of dieting or sport
    these are the hard yards needed to keep their place at the front(modern 1st world health education & retirement & technology)
    stuffing a few dirty toxic meals into their stomach(fence jumper cheats & economic thieves) is going to turn the clock back Trillions
     
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  3. river

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    Go on ..
     
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  5. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    you first... or is it third?
     
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  7. river

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    People on the whole do not get eating Quality Food . Even those that could easily afford to do so .
     
  8. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    wave
    african swine flu
    economy
    covid 19
    tourism economy

    probably African swine flu mixing with people who have covid 19 for a while now

    what happened to the questions around swine flu
    Published online 2012
    parrot shit on pig pens
    humans mixing with pigs
    bats shitting on pigs etc etc ?
    jungle boundary line on human animal co-habitation for century's where bats & parrots move to, to eat crop foods grown by humans for their own food source
    deforestation probably pushes those bats & birds to mix more intensively and deeper with human food chains

    a matter of when not if ...

     
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  9. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    (i like Sanjay i have watched his tv stuff for a while)
    Do some people have protection against the coronavirus?
    By Dr. Sanjay Gupta and Andrea Kane, CNN

    Updated 0118 GMT (0918 HKT) August 3, 2020



    https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/02/...cross-reactivity-immunity-wellness/index.html
     
  10. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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  11. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    It would be all well and good for us all to have a good chuckle at Trump's antics, but the man is your President. The joke wears thin after a while, don't you think? Have you noticed what has been happening to your country lately?
     
  12. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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  13. LaurieAG Registered Senior Member

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    I think the worst thing about the whole pandemic is the politicisation of medicine by both sides.

    Just take Hydroxychloroquin for example. This is a drug that has been in use for around 60 years, the dangers of it are well known and the benefits with regards to Covid 19 recovery rates are increasingly becoming known yet people complain that the results aren't valid with respect to Covid 19 because they didn't test it on people who they already know will die from it.

    While Trumps positive spin helped things get out of control in the US is it justified, in any way apart from raw amoral political ends justifying the means, to deny medicines that can reduce the pressure on your medical system and the people operating it just to make things worse, blame it all on Trump, and maybe win an election?

    I case you haven't noticed positive political spin and straw men arguments are inherent aspects of all political parties and Covid 19 doesn't care one hoot about either.
     
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  14. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    2 points of question
    1 medical treatment in the usa is private
    = no money no health care
    so price is important because it defines the ability of the working class poor whom are the majority, from obtaining it(what ever "it" may be)
    soo... the question is about how the concept around politacising or non politacising of the concept can be measured against the access to the health care.
    both sides of the political debate seem to agree that health care should not be universal health care
    thus pay per cure cash up front

    that is a moral cultural issue for the usa to deal with on its own death rates etc
    so, while i openly support universal health care, i think other countrys opinions around how they tell the usa culture to change their morality needs to be measured against thier own set of Aid and morals as a cultural dynamic.

    no body cares in the usa if there is a cure
    only if there is a profit
    similarly in some other countrys they wish to deny health care and deny contagion to maintain their own cultural systems

    point 2(the only medical science point)

    hydroxychloraquine ...
    the malaria extract derivative compound
    general anti-viral cocktail approach

    from what i gathered it requires ongoing pre dosing to increase over all resistance to the virus getting inside the protein wall ?
    the penetration aspect ?

    so on a purely medical concept
    what is a good over all product that increases resistance to viral penetration(the ability to prevent the virus from getting into the body in a way that effects the body)
    testing ...
    conflicts
    i am not a virologist or biologist(no surprise)
    what i wonder is that if most anti viral compounds have a general effect of elevating the blood pressure ?(actual question)
    the point being co-morbidity is a heavily compounding factor

    troll question for sample testing public acceptance
    for example if the virus only killed fat people
    would there be the same public reaction to the adoption of a treatment ?
    yet fat people also share diabetes and heart issues(co-morbidity)

    is the hydroxychloraquin issue a co-morbidity issue ?
    if it has only a 50/50 chance of making any real difference, should it be licensed by the FDA ?
    if the required dosage is 6 months prior and costing thousands of dollars
    is it a cure ?

    should those paying for it have a say in the issue ?(bit of a oxymoron but worth exploring for longitudinal sociology policy health care issues for universal health care countrys)
     
  15. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Only on the one side. The "other side" - all the rest of the world, with its many sides - has been trying to medicalize the politics.

    The Republican politicians and administrative officials in the US have so thoroughly sacrificed the medical priorities to their supposed political needs that they can no longer reverse their decisions - they slid from refusing to test, trace, mask, and quarantine, to losing the ability to test, trace, mask, and quarantine; they slid from denying protective gear to hospitals and nursing homes in blue States to being unable to provide it in red States.

    Those political decisions have cost the US at least 100,000 lives to the virus alone - never mind the deaths due to crippled medical care delivery, unavailable drugs, social isolation, and so forth. And never mind the badly injured who have survived, so far.
    Are you talking about Hydroxychloroquine? There are people dead because the shit-for-brains President of the US overruled his own public health agencies on that one - for strictly political reasons.
    Not just killed by the drug, either (an unknown number) - some dead because they needed it and the people who get their medical advice from Republican politicians had created supply shortages (another unknown number). Sure it's been taken for years by carefully screened sick people for whom the risk of the drug is worth running - but dosing people with liver vulnerabilities, weak hearts, and blood vessel damage from a virus, who have no disease it's known to be good for and are not in a hospital under constant medical oversight, is not just a violation of the Hippocratic Oath - it's borderline negligent manslaughter. https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-...-effectiveness-against-covid-19-idUSKCN2512A7
    Check out the side effects: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydroxychloroquine
    When Kushner's committee, which back in March had come to a belated conclusion that serious lockdowns and occasional mandating of masks was necessary, changed their minds and reversed that recommendation the day after being shown that the virus was hitting Democratic Party voters harder than Republican Party voters, they paid the price for not including a single epidemiologist or pandemic specialist or public health expert in their political decision: when the virus spread to Trump country (to their surprise, apparently - which means they are idiots, but we knew that) they found themselves trapped by their former rhetoric and behavior. (Suddenly there were no tests for them either, and no extra beds in their hospitals either, and no space in their morgues, and they had to deal with a whole bunch of people they had taught to defy expert opinion and ignore official recommendations. People had actually believed them, see - and it's taking too long to change their minds).
     
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  16. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    Donald, doesn't care.

    He views people as real estate.
     
  17. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    What benefits are there from hydroxychloroquine? There were some hyped, uncontrolled reports from France, but I am not aware of any substantiation of benefits from it. It is not recommended for Covid 19, not because of politics, but because of a lack of efficacy, so far as I can see.

    I’m pleased to see you’ve given up with the bat mites, by the way.

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  19. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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  20. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    It prevents malaria.

    So far exactly one study (the Ford study) has shown an improvement in survival in COVID-19 patients. However, that study has some serious problems. Since chloroquine has some cardiac toxicity problems, they only gave chloroquine to patients on telemetry beds. These are beds that have dedicated connections to a central monitoring station so a nurse can spring into action immediately if the patient has a serious arrhythmia or other emergent problem. If the patient was not on a telemetry bed, they did not get chloroquine due to its risk.

    The result was a small but noticeable decrease in death rates (about 25% to 15%) for patients on chloroquine. So was the decrease due to them getting chloroquine, or due to them being on monitored beds where they could get help more quickly during an emergent condition? Given that other studies have shown that monitored beds have a slightly higher survival rate, it is quite likely that chloroquine played no role in their improved outcomes. Indeed, had you put some patients on monitored beds and some on regular beds, and not administered chloroquine, you would likely have seen exactly the same result.

    Here is the study: https://www.ijidonline.com/article/S1201-9712(20)30534-8/fulltext

    And here is the relevant passage concerning their error:

    "An electrocardiogram (ECK) based algorithm was utilized for hydroxychloroquine use. QTc > 500 ms was considered an elevated cardiac risk and consequently hydroxychloroquine was reserved for patients with severe disease with telemetry monitoring and serial QTc checks."
     
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  21. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    thats the thing i don't get . the argument he and most of trumps supporters are crafting is he doesn't mean it he is just trolling. and its like do you not get how thats still a bad thing.
     
  22. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    And the funny thing is that he regularly then throws them under the bus. When he said he wants the CDC to do less testing, Trump supporters said "he's kidding, moron! Jesus, can't you take a joke? What's wrong with you?" only to have Trump say the next day "I don't kid."
     
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  23. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    attempting to turn a optional un proven treatment into a cure for those dying whom can not give consent
    is a deceitful act unless it is backed and performed exclusively by scientists

    how does that sit with the anti abortion morality ? = conflict & moral aboration !

    but that is not the thread subject

    example
    refined sugar food products
    candy
    many breads and hamburger buns
    cakes
    many pastrys

    simply by people stopping eating & drinking vast quantities of refined sugar will increase their immune system
    and wont cost them anything
    it will save them money

    but the down sides . . .

    they burn sugar(& carbs) like a meth addict burns meth
    they file on massive amounts of toxic soggy fat layers of toxic subcutaneous fat into their skin and bodys
    their lack of body circulation and massive burden on their liver, kidneys and vascular system means they get toxins from the shit food they cram in piling into their massive rolls of body fat

    so when they start to diet and lose weight quickly
    all those toxins pile into their liver and kidneys and blood system which can kill them quite easily
    this massively undermines their fragile grip on their immune system as it is
    being propped up as a drug addict on refined sugar.


    so in reality
    25% of the population are drug addicts whos immune system is only just coping being propped up with meth like chems being derived from refined sugar and shit carbs

    but they spend a lot of money and make people rich

    that co-morbidity factor is very large in the usa
    more so when you match it against their failed health system which working class cant afford
    so you have drug addict patients on drugs because they cant afford the health care system medical procedure
    getting fatter and fatter and higher risk as they are slowly killed off as consumers being sucked dry

    and you want to sell them what as a miracle cure ? (without their consent)

    do anti abortionists say its ok for a mother to have an abortion as long as the mother signs a consent form on behalf of the fetus ?
     
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