Ethics, Morality and Justice indeed! How about damn Inane Stupidity

Discussion in 'Ethics, Morality, & Justice' started by paddoboy, Jul 27, 2020.

  1. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    serious hat on for a moment

    sensory back flow
    subconscious self regulation of breathing process
    triggers

    when people get colds & flu's and their nose blocks up
    they labour their breathing as an autonomic response
    additionally the simple point of bringing an autonomic action into the conscious creates increased brain activity
    like carrying a bag in a hand you have previously not carried anything with

    it can take weeks to acclimatize your breathing autonomic response to breath evenly
    ASSUMING you are no having some mild allergic response
    the increased moisture in your breath being re circulated will make you gasp for air naturally without sustained training
     
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  3. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Thanks for the info....I'm certainly not giving up in the current climate, and anyway, its mostly for reasonably short times...I go shopping, pick up what I want, back home....30 minutes at the max...Mrs would take 3 hrs!

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  5. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    ask them "who gave you the rights that you claim you have?"
     
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  7. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    autonomic response to breath heavier and harder when the brain detects heavy moisture content in the air(&/or lower oxygen levels)
    it takes concerted training over weeks to move that into a semi subconscious process where you can switch it off over a few minutes from when you put the mask on

    scuba training skills is a good guide

    addressing the natural human biological panic to lower oxygen levels
    etc etc
    sometimes it may help you
    other times it may kill you
    etc ...
     
  8. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    wanna-be pauline ham sneeze

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  9. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    No vacine for any of these. You would be sued for attacked with a sharp instrument and attempting to poison

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    Stay away

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    Come closer

    Two mask samples from Bali

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  10. Bells Staff Member

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    As an asthmatic, I am not a fan of the masks, but wear them when required. I tend to put it on and then count to 10 slowly, inhaling and exhaling to just kind of get over that initial sense of stress and when I find myself labouring to breathe with it on, I do the same thing again. A lot of people labour when using face coverings or masks.. And for a lot of people, including myself, it's psychological.

    I have taken to ordering things online now though, and avoiding going out as much as possible.. It truly set in when COVID19 first started in South East QLD, and my father was quite ill by that point and I was his carer, so we avoided going out as much as possible and even now, since his passing 1.5 months ago, I still find myself doing a lot of my grocery shopping online and doing click and collect.. It's kind of become a habit.. And also saved me a lot in grocery bills as it's reduced my browsing down the aisles...

    Given the outbreak in Victoria and the growing concern in NSW currently, it may be more prudent for you to try to order online as much as possible and even do click and collect where it's contactless if you are able to do so (ie drive a car) if the cost of delivery from the local supermarket is exorbitant as some tend to be. Just means you are in less contact with the public, in particular the sovereign citizen types who are not adhering to common sense when it comes to COVID19. It also means less mask wearing..
     
  11. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    That has crossed my mind, along with encouragement from my Son to change to that...yep I still drive.
     
  12. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    When, eventually, I get back to Darwin I will be shopping at Supermarket

    Go Supermarket shopping just about every day for 3 weeks, petrol $15. One delivery $10 and miss out specials of the 2 weeks because I didn't go

    If I cut down from going 21 days to 21 weeks it would go from $15 / 21 weeks against $210

    Nope I will stick to go shopping daily Darwin

    In Bali currently go 3 times a week, buy about $120 over the week but that's for both of us

    Doing for 3 months and neither of us have symptoms, so either have not caught anything or we both asymptomatic with great immune systems

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  13. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    sorry to hear about your dad




    which is what the grocery stores have realised with their bag/no-bag policys
    they have lost a lot of premium impulse profit while there profits are up.
    so i shall expect they will continue to maintain massive additional profit margins on home delivery to try and push customers to either pay massive profits or come in and impulse buy.

    my rough calculations by observation is they make around 15% to 20% of their sales as impulse buying
    those impulse items will probably be premium priced products

     
  14. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    fyi
    american & other non farmer people
    "lip stick on a pig"
    has nothing to do with dressing up a women to look more attractive
    it has nothing to do with women

    it is a farmers expression referring to the doctoring up of stock animals to look better quality then what they are
    the expression has morphed over several decades to mean faking something old/already known to be something new and original
    and contains aspects of the "old dog new tricks" expression
     
  15. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Vinaka vakalevu for the advice, particularly from Bells...the fogging of my glasses is now minimal, if at all. And [surprise surprise!] my laboured breathing is not as severe as it was in the first place....psychological? yeah probably.
    Still while adhering to all the medical advice with regards to wearing masks, I will be damn bloody glad when all this crap is over!!

    Just another quick comment coming from someone who at my ripe old age of 76 years, and never have voted any other party other then the ALP, I take this opportunity of praising our PM Mr Scott Morrison, on his remarks that whatever country is first to realize a proper vaccine, that they need to make it freely available all around the world.
    Wise words no matter from where they come, deserve proper recognition.
     
  16. Bells Staff Member

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    Thank you Rainbow! I still can't believe he's gone, to be honest. I miss him terribly.

    This pandemic has made me realise one thing. How much crap I was buying and that we were consuming. And all for the sake of convenience.

    Of course when the panic buying started, it was the convenient stuff that went first and forced me rethink how I shop and what I buy and what we used to cook. I grew some veggies, like tomatoes, etc, and herbs. Now I've branched out to more seasonal vegetables, carrots, radishes, Asian vegetables and greens which we eat a lot of, etc and it's great! My first crop of pumpkin will be ready soon! I also grow my own mushrooms and potatoes now.. My kids would not eat mushrooms before. Now they do because the taste is so different. I am loving the self sufficiency part of it and it also provided me with a lot of ways of coping with my Dad's decline and ultimate death as he was very much a part of the desire to just grow my own as much as possible and all my knowledge of growing vegetables actually came from him. I find solace in digging my hand into that soil now and some days I weep, other days I smile at fond memories of my father sitting in a chair under a tree, yelling instructions at me when I was setting up the garden beds at the start of the year.

    Unless we get a functioning vaccine, I think it will be a long while before it is all over.

    It has taught us one thing, however, and that is how easily a virus can get from one country and spread around the world. Maybe now, countries will take to implementing stricter quarantine faster and sooner when outbreaks occur.

    It's probably more a plea to certain countries, *cough* US *cough* who bought out the world's supply of Remdesivir.

    And because some countries *cough* US, Russia, China *cough* are the types to not share it freely.
     
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  17. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    The woman of the house and I sewed up a couple of masks, and I found that
    1) sewing a sort of beak out from the bone bridge of my nose, so the mask did not press the cartilage tip of my nose down, improved comfort and ability to breathe
    2) using heavy duty wire and a compressible lining - not the light thin stuff most purchased masks come with - and fitting the contact high on the bridge of my nose (so glasses would ride on top of the mask) improved the seal quite a bit (no air flow into my eyes even when breathing out with force)
    3) and last but not least running the upper elastic section of the band over the top of my head rather than straight back over my ears (the lower section of the band is not elastic but rather ties adjustably on the back of my neck) thereby pulling the mask up against my face under my eyes and off of my nose

    yields a mask I can wear continuously for five hours or more without discomfort, and breathe easily in without claustrophobia inducing dankness and smothering feel.

    Also, a mask that ties like that (over the head and around the back of the neck, rather than hooked on one's ears) removes and installs quickly and will seal under the lower lip along the jawline as well as wrapped under the chin, a nice change of feel for long term wear and a good idea for those with beards (you can get a good seal that way).

    ymmv.
     
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  18. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    "Woman of the house"? Is that from "Little House on the Prairie"?
     
  19. parmalee peripatetic artisan Valued Senior Member

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    Despite having worn a hat, or some sort of head covering, pretty much round the clock for the past 30-odd years, I can't seem to work out an appropriate mask that doesn't induce almost immediate claustrophobia. I'll try something along these lines.
     
  20. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    You will never learn to not post when ignorant.
    You don't even have enough of a pop culture handle on me or mine to troll me by suggesting John Wayne in The Quiet Man, https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/quiet_man
    let alone something more to the point like this: .
    maybe a bit deeper?
    or getting a start here: https://thesession.org/tunes/321
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    The tie is one continuous bight of tough ribbon or something, with a section of elastic for the head top tension and loose ends to knot-adjust the total length at the back of the neck. So it hangs on the neck until need, and dons by just pulling the head elastic up past the face to the top of the head - takes a few seconds.
     
  21. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    "Mean and mine" and "woman of the house" I think I had it about right John Boy. Have you seen anymore ominous comets lately?
     
  22. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    You can't say you weren't warned:

    Tip: Try one guess at a time, or at least avoidance of mutual contradiction (John Boy, John Wayne, Little House On The Prairie: pick one. It won't matter which.) Then review your use of the quote mark - cutesy misquoting is adorable only in the very young.
    Also: Start a thread - fascinating as the topic of me seems to have become, it surely doesn't belong everywhere, even as a sort of exemplary game of Where's Waldo X Battleship amid a discussion of inane stupidity.
    (Regret: Had I known I could prime the guesses like that - from I0wa to England to Ireland via Ulster, from South Dakota to Hollywood via Appalachia - I'd have gone for Rom via Clint Eastwood. Or Nova Scotian via Doug Kershaw. )

    Meanwhile the antisocial deranged, apparently by bad luck (afawk), tap into the unusual feature of this disease the media labels "superspreaders": a small proportion of the ill generate a high proportion of the contagion. That means most of the nutcases (and entire nutcase communities, if small enough) who threaten others will suffer no immediate or obviously traceable consequences from even grossly irresponsible behavior - they won't spread the virus. That is a difficult situation for humans to handle - the low chance high harm event puts demands on coldblooded reasoning that most people (and most societies) cannot meet.

    In the past we have developed, or "evolved" (not Darwinian, probably), ways and means of response: religions and other regularizations of spiritual insight, rituals and formalizations of what a few in every community have somehow come to understand. The modern or scientific and industrial civilizations are too raw, recent, unfamiliar, for that - they have yet to make ritual of the insights of the few. But they have built roads, railways, docks, busy and miraculously functional airports - they have set up the generation of trouble. So it's looking like a rough road.
     
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  23. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    it appears to be at least equal to the common flu but VASTLY more contagious
    there is no country in the world that can handle the loss of the Flu vaccine then a doubling of Flu victims(which is general ball park of where it would end up very quickly).


    (im not sure i have passed that phase or simply repressed it)
    i can see it sitting there staring back at me when i look
    but i dont know if what i am looking at is a copy of the past or a reflection of the present, but getting to that point feels like a step forward

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