And people who insist that medicines are tested on people, who they already know will suffer from taking that medicine, don't?
Don't what - don't don't care? Don't not care? Don't not think like Trump? Don't think like Trump? Who are you talking about, and what are you trying to say about them?
Back to the science there was some questions around this issue of asymptomatic people and how contagious they are viral loading etc etc https://www.bbc.com/news/health-53665008
The Melbourne, Australia Situation: Lock down level 4 8pm-5am Curfew Mask wearing is mandatory. Borders closed. There is some deviation from expectations that may be worth a mention. Today it was reported that we had 466 new Confirmed cases over last 24 hours, which in itself is concerning, however of those cases 140 (30.04%) are health care workers. There has been a steady rise in the rate of infection among health care workers since the so called second wave outbreak. For back ground article see: https://www.theguardian.com/austral...workers-have-covid-19-after-daily-rise-of-101 07/Aug/2020 There are now 911 healthcare workers with active infections of Covid-19 in Victoria, a rise of 101 since Thursday. Hospitals are already under pressure as nurses are diverted to tackle the crisis in aged care homes and 607 people in the state’s hospitals with the virus. Victoria’s chief health officer, Prof Brett Sutton, said on Friday it was “a very concerning number, it is a very big number” that was placing “stresses and strains on staffing”. “In our hospital system, nurses are more represented in these healthcare workers numbers than doctors,” he said. “The number of doctors is much less. That, I think, relates to the closeness of interaction that nurses are engaged in with their care provision. But I think a lot of the numbers in healthcare workers are actually aged care workers and some of the ancillary staff in healthcare.” There is reason to believe that the Quarantine PPE provisioning currently in use in hospitals and ICU units is inadequate and that the Virus transmission is getting pass the high level PPE being utilized. Certainly there is strong indication that PPE use in assisted care facilities such as nursing homes and other residential care situations that PPE use is problematic due to inadequate training and ineffective rating. For a small nation of only 26 million, the loss of health professionals either to quarantine isolation or hospitalization at this rate is actually very concerning. It could be speculated that the virus has changed and become more contagious and more easily transmitted since first appearing here in January 2020. Detailed stats need to be researched, if possible, before making solid conclusions but there is enough info to raise suspicions that the virus is no longer containable using the current PPE regime. If the current rate of 30% of case load continues for much longer a health system crisis will ensue. I am unsure how this applies to other nations around the globe but I would assume that the problem of inadequate PPE (rating) will become more evident in the not too distant future...
https://www.henryford.com/news/2020/07/hydro-treatment-study https://medicine.yale.edu/news-article/26218/ Can anybody post a link to any paper that says Hydroxychloroquine causes deaths but actually has a list of the statistics that were excluded because we already know it causes problems in certain people? i.e. not just a statistical exercise with no medical discretion. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7280684/ https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31180-6/fulltext These are the exclusions used in a trial begun in 2012 by the Washington University School of Medicine , "the study is to randomize otherwise healthy subjects with type 2 diabetes to hydroxychloroquine". https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT02026232
Laurie, im not fussed that you choose to support the current political family however, your flaming a science thread with conspiracy language and discussion your attempt to bait a question to argue conspiracy stuff is quite rude and offensive to the millions with covid 19 and disrespectful to the hundreds of thousands of dead and is a slap in the face of modern science and all the scientific specialist whom dedicate their entire lifes, some of which have given their lives, fighting it. if you wish to talk science talk science dont bait with conspiracy double back talk nonsense baiting questions. your double talk splainer on the end doesn't validate your conspiracy question asking for facts that you have not detailed perhaps you need to re think your question and pose it like you would to a doctor so you may talk logic and facts and get a sensible answer IF that is what you wish(i assume) there is a distinct theme to your post of gaming the subject to twist it into a conspiracy debate if that is not clearly your intention i suggest you re think your questions
Not sure what you are asking for. If you are saying "it's an invalid test unless you exclude unhealthy people" that doesn't make much sense. If you exclude unhealthy people and give everyone who remains distilled water, then they will survive more often, because they are healthier to begin with. Does that prove that distilled water is a cure? Here's a good summary of several tests that have already been done: https://www.medscape.com/viewarticl...zgw-N-g2g52NHFHRJ0tHUZlIek9D0kswIwlreKqY2XRkw
another wrinkle? current smokers have a very much lower probability of developing symptomatic or severe SARS-CoV-2 infection as compared to the general population. https://theconversation.com/does-nicotine-protect-us-against-coronavirus-137488 https://www.qeios.com/read/WPP19W.3 grain of salt
i have listened to several doctors theorise about people whom work in dangerous air pollution exposure zones possibly having a tiny bit of extra protection by being a smoker it is simple logic to them lets see the conversation discuss the same epidemiology around (added to diet/ soda candy etc)processed sugar & body fat % levels . thats what interested in gaining a clear picture of the self medicated protection via obesity recreational drug use nutrition is the key but many do not wish to openly discuss such things because too many are making billions from it changing how people spend is considered communist to USA TV viewer audiences example all the coal miners in the usa do their insurance companys(or employers) discriminate against them exploitatively by making them pay higher premiums if they are smokers ?
I read somewhere it was about 8% reduction in transmission, however a significant chance % of fatality if the smoker is unlucky enough to become infected due to existing smoker related health conditions. One hypothesis I found was that the nicotine may not be directly implicated. It appears that the smoker's have a certain calmness due to long term exposure to breathing issues that lowers breathing anxiety. This in turn reduces the transmission by making the respiratory tracts less vulnerable. ( Desensitized nose, throat, trachea, lungs due to smoke over extended time ) Just a hypothesis....
red meat eater related health conditions RE cancer bowl & stomach https://www.wcrf.org/int/blog/articles/2015/10/red-meat-and-bowel-cancer-risk-how-strong-evidence as long as the margin of error is below 2% then that is a potential finding what would be highly valuable would be transmission rates between people whom use a steam room once a week or more but many would argue that its not a general enough group like saying "skinny people problems" while discussing self esteem of fat people real life i just finished cleaning out the fine paper filter of my vacuum cleaner which had got clogged with dust because someone whom borrowed it accidentally or recklessly discarded the primary mesh filter when they emptied the bag attempting to fool me into not knowing they borrowed it(not malice) the quantity of dust i have inhaled is probably equal to smoking a packet of cigarettes my allergies will go off the chart in the next few hours, and i will have a low grade migraine headache for maybe up to 5 hours, maybe 15 hours while my body fights the toxins it will undermine other parts of my biological system which i will be trying to mitigate and support along the way my immune system respiratory system neural system heart and blood system and stomach are all effected i will be actively balancing this over the next 12 hours to try and maintain peak performance at any required level(hopefully level very ordinary) people breath diesel engine fumes which gives them A.I.D's then act all weird about body size issues related to health and fitness and ego concepts changing how the public act is very very hard there are so many different aspects at play and a vast plethora of deliberate miss information
I don't think that any medical decision made by any medical professional during the pandemic was due to political endorsement. I do believe that many medical professionals, when faced with an onslaught of patients that overwhelmed their medical facilities and their peers on the front line, were willing to try anything if it could assist them. At one time a warning went out about ibuprofen being a dangerous drug to use but that warning was retracted when it was realised that they already knew that people who have high blood pressure etc had problems with it and shouldn't take it. There is a genuine scientific opportunity to analyse the data collected so far to work out who shouldn't be given hydroxychloroquine so that minimal harm can be done for maximum social benefit and those medical professionals and their peers in the firing line today can have the proper proven tools at hand to allow them to do their jobs in their time of need.
The Wiki link in post 2052 includes several references to side effects of that drug, which are serious. The drug has been used for years to treat malaria and a couple of other conditions, so the risks of these side effects are well known - and some of them are potentially lethal. It's standard practice to screen people for vulnerabilities to known side effects before giving them that or any drug. It is also standard practice to monitor patients receiving such drugs very closely. I'm not sure what you are talking about in reference to "excluded statistics", but I hope nobody is going to randomly set people up to get killed by that drug just to get solid numbers on what percentage of them will actually die.