The latest moon hoax documentary

slight of hand logic
moving the shiny box and pointing to it saying there is your proof there is a god
it proves nothing and relys on the indoctrinated pre disposition to make leaps in faith to assume a group compliance

 

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I've asked Freddy a few things now that he refuses to answer. Here's another question Freddy...How many other sites have you been banned from because of your trolling and ignorant stupidity?

 

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Yes I raised something but at no point did I claim it was proof of this or that you put up videos claiming they were proof ....can you see the difference?

Look I am in agreement but I could not help pointing out a video is hardly scientific proof and perhaps that is a point best made to Fat Fredie.

I understand how exasperated you must be and that what I am on about will be lost on you and I have no problem with that...and so I won't argue with you, you are not my target.

I did understand. Like there was nothing that was difficult to grasp.

OK.

I was referring to the details in my post that I have no doubt you missed was my point...as to the other details I already assumed that you knew what you were talking about.

I get it but I was not talking about that when I posted the videos for Paddo the dust kicking was already water under the bridge...

Why don't you assume that all you post I understand...cause I do. Now the dust videos do not alter the fact there is other footage which by any standard ( well my opinion to be clear) is suspect...you putting up other videos is really not an answer ... Anyways don't worry as I am confident the videos I refer to where they appear to float can only be doctored...I don't plan to try and convince anyone of that as it is clear they are floating ..in my opinion.

I can't resist so sorry to take advantage of your exasperation ..but..one moment you enlist the weight on their back expressing it as 100 lbs then here because less weight suits you you go that way..if nothing else you are somewhat inconsistent.

In any event I don't care, I am not putting up those videos to prove a thing..you have looked and see no problem..I am happy that you looked, if you can see it as normal and realistic again I have no problem..my only point was and is..to me it just looks inconsistent with what I expect...nothing more...and I will bet if you showed it to 100 people 90 of them would agree with me...well I don't bet but I said that to illustrate that is seems most odd to me.

I has been nice chatting with you.
As I predicted Fat Freddy won't answer me, he knows I have nailed him to the floor and can only lose if he tries to continue.
Let each post he makes that does not address my simple question serve as an example of his fear to reply and answer my simple question.
Folk like Fredie put up so many things it is impossible to deal with them, so rather than argue about this or that lets just get his one piece of evidence, it only takes one remember, and we can argue about that..and I would ask others to back me up here by asking the same question...and hopefully by denying him room to move we can make him admit that he does not have one single piece of evidence to show the Apollo missions did not take place.
He either has it or he does not. One single piece of evidence that should be easy.
Alex
Alex

 

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Translation:

That anomaly is so clear that if I try to obfuscate it, I'll just look silly and it will be obvious to all the viewers that I'm a paid sophist*.


I'm still waiting for you people to respond to this.
http://www.sciforums.com/threads/the-latest-moon-hoax-documentary.163196/page-4#post-3645211

I asked you to address the issues at the bottom of post #35 a long time ago.
http://www.sciforums.com/threads/the-latest-moon-hoax-documentary.163196/page-2#post-3636828

If you were to stall this long in a formal debate at a university, you'd be declared he loser.

The evidence that the footage was taken in atmosphere proves the hoax all by itself.
http://www.sciforums.com/threads/the-latest-moon-hoax-documentary.163196/page-6#post-3645387

There are a lot of other anomalies.
https://www.giraffeboards.com/showthread.php?t=31034

If they had really gone to the moon, they wouldn't have shown us faked footage. They would have filmed the missions and shown us the real footage.


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https://www.clubconspiracy.com/counter-intellegience-tricks-and-techniques-t4702.html

 

Proper translation:
The conspiracy we never went to the Moon, is totally baseless. The facts are as history has recorded...24 men went to the Moon and 12 landed on it.
To deny that reality is akin to deny WW2, or the existence of China, or Africa. Don't laugh...our Freddy has plenty of nutty stuff up his sleeve!

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Again Freddy why do you lack the intestinal fortitude to answer my questions.
Again what will you and your gullible friends fabricate when we return to the Moon, and then eventually Mars.

And would you and that criminal scum Sibrel, and the sock puppet craig2, be game enough to argue your nonsense in front of all Apollo astronauts...please consider they are all in there eighties!

 

It does not prove a thing... if they were proof everyone would be saying that we never went to the Moon..now no one is saying that so clearly you have proved nothing..

Can you put together one sentence, just one that is convincing,...you know as if you were debating...you hint at debating but clearly you have no idea...prove me wrong. We are waiting show us that you have more than the ability to be taken in by YouTube videos.


Alex

 

https://www.daily-sun.com/post/289845/Spacewalking-astronauts-finish-months-of-robot-arm-repair
https://www.theverge.com/2017/12/5/...-astronaut-space-suit-automatic-return-system
https://www.scribd.com/article/370145510/Spacewalking-Astronauts-Give-New-Hand-To-Robot-Arm

Compare the reflection of the sun in the visors in the above photos with the reflection of the sun in the Apollo astronaut's visor at the 00:27 time mark of this video.

Apollo Landings Debunking the "Superlight" contention



There is no glare and the edges of the reflections are well defined. At the 1:22 time mark Betamax shows reflections of the sun on convex surfaces that have a lot of glare. The glare is not part of the actual reflection. He knew this. He's trying to obfuscate clear evidence of a hoax.

He's a very skilled sophist but there's a point at which things are so clear that sophistry just becomes ineffective such as the anomalies in the Chinese spacewalk.
http://www.sciforums.com/threads/the-latest-moon-hoax-documentary.163196/page-8#post-3645552

He knows a lot about science that laymen don't know and he's successful at taking people in when he talks about stuff that requires a technical education to understand. When he has to obfuscate a very clear anomaly that requires no technical education, it becomes obvious that he's a paid sophist who doesn't even believe his own arguments.

That's why you people continuously refuse to address the anomalies in the Chinese spacewalk.
https://forum.cosmoquest.org/showthread.php?169361-The-Chinese-spacewalk-was-faked-in-a-water-tank

They are too clear to obfuscate and you know you'll just look silly if you try to obfuscate them. This makes it clear that you are all paid sophists too.

NASA's official position on the Chinese spacewalk is that it was real which discredits NASA.


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I also asked you people to address this issue a long time ago.

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Jay Windley* maintained that just transporting and placing large-grained dust-free sand would create enough erosion to create enough dust to cause a dust cloud when the sand is driven over.
http://www.apollohoax.net/forum/index.php?topic=1118.15

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http://www.clavius.org/about.html
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That's another one that you refuse to address because it has you checkmated.

 

My view is they would make it it on Earth so when on the Moon they could get real work done...you can make the movie anywhere so why add weight to the craft just to take up cameras? Why have them wasting time making movies when there is real work to be done... anyways the only way you can establish we did not go to the Moon is by offerring relevant evidence ..so far everything you offer is irrelevant...who cares if they made a movie on set? What you need to come up with is evidence that we did not go. Say everyone here agreed that the footage was made on Earth that is not proof we did not go... you must see that...so we await your evidence...
Alex

 

I think it would have been easier to take cameras and not have to fake anything than to take the trouble of faking the whole mission. They could have been installed on the side of the lander so that the astronauts wouldn't have to deal with them. Faking something like this is an act of desperation; they would have known that the scam would eventually be exposed and they'd have to deal with it. They would have taken cameras and done some minimum filming at least.

What do you think of the anomalies in the Chinese spacewalk?

 

Nonsense. It is you that are checkmated You can not produce evidence that we did not go and just rattle on about stuff that is irrelevant..if you had anything you would have posted it by now.
Posting irrelevant videos is a waste of time..what can you produce to prove we did not go to the Moon.
The ball is in your court ..do you actually have just one piece of evidence that shows we did not go to the Moon?
Stop runing around in circles and simply address question.
Alex

 

Well clearly you have never been paid to think.

It is easier to make the movie on Earth than to do it on the Moon.

But where they made the movie is not the issue.

I keep asking but you are missing the point...forget all your concerns as to where they made the footage and just give us your proof in the form of a verbal summation as to how you have proven the Moon missions did not happen.

I don't want to waste my time arguing about where the footage was made I just want one item of proof that we did not go...just one.

Look you can speculate on making movies but I am not interested in that I want you to present your proof that we did not go..and stop avoiding my question please.

Absolutely not.

You just do not understand the complexity of running a huge venture.

Mainly it goes this way..you have folk who either invested or claim involvement because of political office and all you want to do is get the job done..in this case get to the Moon have your team gather samples instal and set up experiments and not waste time making movies to keep the investors, etc happy..you can give them some pamphlets usually but there is so much money you know they will want pictures...so do you ruin the mission by making the footage central or do you just make a better pamphlet...you make a movie, months in advance preferably so you don't stress the team with worrying about such a small aspect and can have everyone concentrate on the mission a d important things like gathering samples and returning the team.. the movie is just so unimportant...so you may disagree and I have no problem about that mainly because it has no relevance to the question I have put to you...what proof do you have that we did not go.

No they would not...you have already provided material that tells us of the negative effect of radiation on film and also how the TV camera was not legit..I don't understand you ..now you are disagreeing with material you presented...I can see why you have never been paid for thinking. Again none of this is relevant as all you need be concerned with is proving your point..whatever it is..oh yes..prove we did not go to the Moon.

Does this mean you want me to review yet another movie...just think of this way...do you think powers like USA or China will make movies of the real deal? I dont, I wouldnt... get real just make movies giving away your secrets..yeh might work in a hollywood movie..
Sure they will..hey guys let's film every thing we do and forget that it is top secret but just you know make a close up movie of what we are doing...don't worry about the movie being useful to other nations just let's be honest and make a really truly honest movie.

I am not interested is the bottom line. I assume what filters down to the public is exactly what they want the public to know etc.

Anyways we digress..your proof please and thank you.
Alex

 

Now Paddo don't be unkind and remind Freddie of his failures..this is after all something that he is expert in, people now take notice of him and try to talk to him..please do not take away something Freddie craves but has always alluded him when following legitimate enquiry.

Have you ever thought why he holds on to this with a somewhat obsessive grip...yes you guessed it..one night he rolled out the current line and got laid..now you can't argue with the validity of a position that gets you there..heck when I think of some of the strange stories that just hit the spot as they say...and her being drunk should not be taken that what you are talking about in not powerful shit.

The good thing is Freddie has some chance to find a mate and produce little Fredies...the world needs little Fredies ..their entertainment value is priceless..... I already am working along his lines... I meet a hot sixty five year old...I know she is up for it I just know..but to save her pride I must give her something to show I am worth breeding with...So I say..Do you know the Moon landings are fake? No yes? Does not matter...Want a f..k. now Freddie would be smoother but I am not Freddie..he would be cool and send them links to you tube videos...he is so cool man I can learn heaps from him..ok now let's get serious Paddo ..I want your evidence on why we did not go to the Moon..you better act fast before Freddie beats you...

Let me help..I have looked thru my scopes..guess what no foot prints...heck man I gotta go..it might be Monday night but let's face it if I get to the pub and there is a hot sixty five year old sitting there,...well Freddy stand by to guide me mate...

Hey Pad..I am looking out here and there is this beautiful wallaby with a little Joey...just so nice..I will try and get a picture for you...and Freddie of course...I don't want to scare Freddie off but I now look forward to his posts so I can reply to them, all of them,,Freddie could be my new special friend. I hope that does not worry him..I know what you will say..not even Freddie deserves that...I got the observatory all motorised...how cool I bring her back to show her no footprints on the Moon and press the button and the roof rolls back...
Alex

 

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And the rambling rhetorical nonsense continues.
Some points again Freddy:
[1] You are a known gullible conspiracy pusher...
[2] You most assuredly have probably been banned elsewhere as your mate has at cosmoquest.
[3] All your fabricated claims have been answered and totally discredited many times in the past.
[4] History has recounted the facts of the American/USSR space race, culminating in the landing on the Moon by Armstrong, and Aldrin.
[5] This manned landing was repeated 5 more times, with one failure.
[6] We will go to the Moon again...sooner then later...a point you are afraid to address.
[7] There will also most likely be a manned mission to Mars.
[8] Conspiracy theorists have been generally certified as "troubled individuals" by professional phychiatrists and medical people around the world.
[9] You most certainly 100% assured to not have any evidence invalidated the facts of Apollo.
[10] Many brave astronauts that took part in the Apollo program are still around: Why do you lack the balls to address these outstandingly brave men.

 

There are pictures taken from the space shuttle and there are pictures taken from probes that are beyond the Van Allen belts. There seem to be ways to do it. Maybe the probes sent back live footage and it was recorded on film back on earth.

If there was a secret mission to the moon, it was classified and only people with high security clearances would know about it. There's no way I could verify any of it.

You seem to think that my not being able to verify a possible classified mission is proof that they went to the moon. Or maybe you're just feigning craziness because you've acknowledged that the footage was faked so you're trying to make the viewers think that only people who are slightly touched will think it was faked.

At any rate your position is very weak.

 

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Hi Alex! Actually I would love to have a schooner or two with Freddy and attempt to psycho analyse him with regards to his problems. While I have read plenty of accounts of the troubled and weird mind set of these types of individuals, I find you can learn a lot about a person over a beer.
I would though advice Freddy [if he decides to accept my kind offer] to have a good lay down first after a disprin or two, and certainly stop being too concerned over his black knight caricature of himself, without arms or legs. Such self admonishing thoughts are not good for a troubled mind.

Congrats re the observatory, should expect some more quality photographs....psst! Don't tell Freddy, he might fabricate another conspiracy!!

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But you hav'nt got a position!

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at least not in the real world...perhaps in your dreamland at your secret conspiracy club meetings at some secret location!

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This has never been debunked.
http://www.sciforums.com/threads/the-latest-moon-hoax-documentary.163196/page-6#post-3645387

Tell us if you think that Betamax debunked the above or if you think he's obviously a paid sophist who doesn't even believe his own arguments.
http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-move-so-it-was-obviously-in-a-studio.362999/
http://www.politicalforum.com/index...t-claim-of-air-and-the-apollo-15-flag.438617/

I think he's obviously a very skilled sophist with a high level of technical knowledge but this anomaly is simply too clear to obfuscate.

 

No wrong Freddy, it has all been debunked by experts over many years both here and elsewhere. Take my advice Freddy@@@ you know, the lay down and disprin?

 

http://www.sciforums.com/threads/th...ere-probably-faked.163437/page-3#post-3644579

Yes I have. My position is that the proof that the footage was faked in a studio is crushing.
https://www.giraffeboards.com/showthread.php?t=31034

http://www.sciforums.com/threads/the-unmanned-mars-missions-were-probably-faked.163437/

If it turns out that this info on space radiation is true...
http://www.sciforums.com/threads/is...-levels-and-nature-of-space-radiation.152731/

...astronauts will have to be protected by two meters of lead in and beyond the Van Allen belts. They won't be wearing space suits walking around on Mars.

 

Freddy, Freddy Freddy....I have listed 10 points, check them out and come back.
In the meantime, go check your history books tomorrow, and next week, and next year, and in 10 years and a 100 years oe 1000 years or 10,000 Freddy. The history books will still rightly record the facts that man first put his foot on another solar system body in the 20th century , It will rightly record and detail the incredible events and preparation that led to the 6 landings.
Sorry to say but Fred, that I'm pretty sure your name will not be mentioned, and you and your child like conspiracy will forever be lost in cyber space and in the dust of time....That's about the size of it Freddy.