The Language of Physics.

Discussion in 'Physics & Math' started by Write4U, Aug 14, 2020.

  1. Beaconator Valued Senior Member

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    Ha ha ha ha why don’t you just give me the answer? Write.

    it clicked... I just have to do actual math and not make fun of it.

    There is one fractal that pertains to all of reality

    Is there a way of incorporating the mandelbrot set with the Koide formula??

    that is a serious math problem.

    \(/sum_/limits_ z=0^Q=/infinity /fraction_{me + mu + my}{/square{met}+{/square{muz}+{/square{mtz}}^2 +1/3c=2/3[\tex] latex doesn’t work at all...\)
     
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  3. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    In a nutshell, Godel proved that certain types of mathematical systems (including just about all the ones that we commonly use to deal with things like numbers and ordinary arithmetical operations) cannot be simultaneous complete and consistent.

    "Complete" in this context means that all true statements that can be expressed using the axioms of the mathematical system can be proved using that system. "Consistent" means that no statements that are provable within the system can contradict one another.

    Applied to Write4U's "mathematical" universe, Godel's proofs would imply either that things exist in the universe that cannot be the result of mathematics or that the mathematical universe has things in it that contradict one another (e.g. both existing and not existing, at the same time). It's one reason why the idea of mathematical universe doesn't make sense, if you ask me.
     
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  5. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    You speak as if "mathematics" is an agent - something almost like a person or being.

    People can order things. People can rearrange objects and put them in different places.

    Physical forces can also order things. For example, the force of gravity can create a planet out of a cloud of gas and dust.

    But how can mathematics order anything? Where are the "hands" of the mathematics? How can mathematics grab onto anything and move it from one place to another?

    You quoted it yourself: mathematics is a "formal science" that is not concerned with the validity of things based in the "real world". That doesn't sound like the physical universe to me.
     
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  7. Beaconator Valued Senior Member

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    You have less elements than the universe and are conscious.

    is it not possible that math is the way the universe explains itself to us?

    This explanation seems less relevant than the one I was flagged for but it’s your book so.... ya latex problems not important

    I have met people who speak through the universe in math and translate that into plain English. Much like the creator of string theory.

    it’s quite rude to deny someone of a eureka moment before it’s come to fruition because your site doesn’t work like it should or some minor mistake in latex causes it to malfunction.

    plus the belief that physics is more than math is absurd and evidence is not provided in your initial post.

    I calmly ask you to name any physical explanation that is not backed by math.
     
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  9. Beaconator Valued Senior Member

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    The whole preconception is unspoken by the op. And is true. Imperfect but true.
     
  10. Beaconator Valued Senior Member

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    A=math b=humans c=what we are discussing.

    does a plus b = c

    Can a =c without b?

    can c exist without a?
    It can not because a is just a translation of the ideas brought about by c
     
  11. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    I vill not buy this record, it eez scratched.
     
  12. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    My hovercraft is full of eels.
     
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  13. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Oh you want Francesca the spy oui?

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  14. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    Do you ouant, do you ouant, to come back to my place bouncy bouncy?
     
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  15. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    Don't get it, I'm afraid. Explain?

    (The quotes are all from Monty Python's "Dirty Hungarian Phrasebook" sketch.)
     
  16. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    I will not buy this record. It is scratched.
     
  17. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    Er, see post 28?

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  18. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    There is a joke, with various odd phrases

    A spy is sent to (any country) and ask for (any name) using (any odd phase) to link up with a contact who will direct him to the spy

    When he gives the odd phrase to the contact the contact comes back with "Oh you want (name) the spy"

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  19. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, I believe mathematics is a non-sentient natural passive ordering agent. It is a quasi-intelligent behavior potential of spacetime.
    Yes those are all sentient motivated intentional actions. The universe is a non-sentient self-ordering agent.
    And it can do so only in accordance to some fundamental mathematical imperatives.
    1 + 1 = 2 does not require paper and pencil to be true.
    IMO, physics are causal of change, mathematics are causal as to what change is permitted or restricted and the order of change.
    Right, mathematics is a metaphysical "characteristic" of spacetime.

    Is "characteristic" a physical thing?

    Characteristic (from the Greek word for a property, attribute or trait of an entity)
    In mathematics:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Characteristic

    Dynamical systems
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamical_system
     
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  20. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Chaos Theory?
     
  21. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    There is a term in physics "universal constants" which s not a physical property, it is a metaphysical property, a chatacteristic of the spacetime.
     
  22. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Example, please.
    Yes, in your universe which has only some mathematical properties, which by inference would allow for non-mathematical contradictions, that statement might be true.
    In a universe that is only mathematical in its very essence, that cannot be true. Hence my question for an example which canot be assigned to human error.

    The universe does not make mistakes, humans do.
     
  23. QuarkHead Remedial Math Student Valued Senior Member

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    Since I assume you are human (are you?), maybe you made mistakes in this thread?
    Just a thought
     

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