The Trump Presidency

May I remind you Trump is the current president and responsible for any military action the US is currently involved in.

Syrian Civil War.

Main belligerents

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Syrian Arab Republic

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Hezbollah

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Iran

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Russia (2015–present)

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Iraq (2017–2019)[1][h]

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  Egypt (2020)[2]

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Interim Government (Syrian opposition)

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Turkey[c]
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Salvation Government (Tahrir al-Sham)[e][f]

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Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant[e]
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CJTF–OIR
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The only US presence:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary_Commando_Army

 

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No, because the victims of a civil war would be also those who have elected the less evil Trump. So, half of the victims would be innocent. Moreover, it would be too dangerous for the world. Nuclear weapons could end, say, in the hands of BLM terrorists who simply want to genocide the whites. They could easily destroy Europe, but Russia (Russians are also white people) would be able to retaliate. That would be the end. That you morally deserve it does not mean that it would be better for the world if such a civil war would start.

Another example about a similar difference: If somebody tortures a victim to death, he certainly morally deserves to be tortured to death too. But this does not mean that it is a good idea to impose "torture to death" as a penalty for such crimes.

The point being? Trump has withdrawn some of the forces from Syria, and given up some bases of US occupation forces. The war was started by the Obama regime. You have elected that guy who has started the war and occupation, this is what is morally relevant.

 

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What? The civil war in Syria was started by Obama? Are you out of your mind.

These people have been killing each other for 2000 years and you are blaming Obama for a R2P sanctioned incursion to prevent the use of chemical weapons?

New approaches

https://www.dw.com/en/un-mandates-and-military-intervention/a-17051993#

 

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No, I'm simply out of your bubble.

R2P is already an old approach now because the Libya resolution, which mentions it, was misused by the Western powers involved as a justification for a war of aggression. Russia and China have recognized this error and will never repeat it again.

To use R2P as a justifications for wars without UN mandate, thus, in violation of the UN Charter, may become a custom for the US, which can prevent with its veto UNSC resolutions against their aggressions. But this cannot become an international custom because such wars will always and consistently be rejected as wars of aggression by Russia and China, and they will increasingly find ways to punish the US for such wars of aggression, for example, by delivering the victims weapons for defense.

You are completely off about the Syrian war. The US was organizing a color revolution in Syria, and then started to support the various terrorist factions with money, weapons, instructors and so on. The 2013 story ended without any US incursion, but with Syria joining the chemical weapons convention and delivering all its chemical weapons to OPCE for destruction.

 

you do realize you are interacting with someone completely disconnected with objective reality. facts don't matter. the us is evil and overthrowing people because he says so. russia and china are peaceful and the military aggression and invading of other countries is just a figment of our imagination. you are better off ignoring him and letting him rant and rave.

 

I have long suspected Schmelzer is a propaganda mouthpiece for some foreign power (Russia?) seeking to undermine US international influence.

 

Ahhh... things are becoming much clearer: Domestic propaganda????

Police guide that calls BLM a terrorist group draws outrage
RYAN J. FOLEY 12/2/2020

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Former Houston police captain charged with pointing gun at…

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© Marcio Jose Sanchez FILE - In this July 11, 2020 file photo, Alycia Pascual-Pena, left, and Marley Ralph kneel while holding a Black Lives Matter banner during a protest in memory of Breonna Taylor, in Los Angeles. Taylor was killed in her apartment by members of the Louisville, Ky., Metro Police Department on March 13. The International Law Enforcement Educators and Trainers Association, a prominent law enforcement training group, is promoting a lengthy research document riddled with falsehoods and conspiracies that urges local police to treat Black Lives Matter activists as terrorists plotting a violent revolution. The document contains misinformation and…

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/p...m-a-terrorist-group-draws-outrage/ar-BB1bz1lO

Yes look at all the guns brandished by the BLM and their agressive behavior .!!!!!!!!!!!
Violence is imminent and must be quelled at all cost...........

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No shit..!

 

We all know how Americans can be...

 

I'm afraid this is not just an exercise in free speech....

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And a belated comment on the Trump presidency.

 

and in your own bubble...

 

No, I read something from Western media too, and use this forum to see if there are some serious flaws in the arguments or if the only objections are the usual ad hominems.

 

The more evil Trump - not innocent, because they had access to better information (those parroting for Trump have no legitimate claim on ignorance any more).

So not Clinton, and not Obama, but Biden - a Vice President with no relevant authority whatsoever - is your latest bad guy.

Nothing in the Middle East now was started by the Obama administration. It was started by the Republican administration that stole the national elections of 2000. Those were the more evil guys - nobody in US governance since WWII has been more evil than them.

The Syrian war, like every other current US shitfling in the region, was set up by the Republican administration of W&Cheney. Trump is a Republican President, the latest promotor of Republican foreign policy in the region, and like his predecessors he emphasizes war and military violence while crippling diplomatic and economic approaches. The US Republican Party has been taken over by a fascist movement, and that's how fascism rolls.

There are very few people more evil than fascist demagogues - or those who cover for them.

None of your posting here shows any sign of your having evaluated arguments for flaws. You simply parrot crude rightwing authoritarian propaganda from sources familiar to any American - no "argument" involved, and no sign of awareness on your part.

The inability to use the term "ad hominem" correctly is one of the easy field marks of US rightwing authoritarians - every time you post that illiteracy, you identify your source and your fellow ideologues.

Or possibly you are pretending to ignorance, as a way of presenting yourself innocent - possibly you know what you are doing. You wouldn't be the first.

 

like Iceaura has stated countless times you have yet to present a solid argument that is worthy of proper discussion. All you have been doing is reinforcing the need to be objective by your subjective diatribe of anti USA nonsense.
I feel you need to step back a little and reassess your position. You chronically underestimate the USA and a way to highlight this is to ask yourself not what has the USA done but what it hasn't done with all the power it possesses at it's disposal.

Fomenting revolution/civil war in China and Russia would be a peace of cake using your own paranoid description of USA desire to corrupt other regions with their evangelism of Human rights, democracy and freedom.. Like wise Cyber war fare will inevitably favor the USA once the USA decide to declare cyber war on those who have already declared war on them. The amount of damage the USA could inflict on other belligerent nations via IT should not be underestimated.

So it is more about what the USA hasn't done over the last 80 odd years that you should be more concerned about...

 

What US done over the years is something not easily forgivable by other nations



I wouldnt be so sure about US winning a cyberwarfare,especialy against China



Formentin Civil war in China is laughable proposition for anyone familiar w china people
Their 56 diferent ethnic minorities all have same rights and freedoms,yes even religions
Be it christians,budhist etc
Even muslims have 35.000 Islamic Mosque to pray in,,chinese are one very united country

 

I totally agree though more nations have seriously benefited than those who have not... IMO
9/11 was an opportunity for a reset but unfortunately the big "Why are we a target?"question wasn't asked in a way that it should have.

I wouldn't underestimate the USA capacity once it put's it's mind to it...
Who owns or controls the web nodes any how...?

At the moment China appears to be fairly united but near future food security issues will force the population to seek a better path...
What happened during and after the last famine to hit China?
Given climate change and over population food security is and will become a major issue for China. Something other nations may seek to capitalize on.
How many million died as a result of civil war in China? ( not to mention Russia... but hey?)
It is easy to deny Cyber attacks as a state organized thing...The Chinese can do it, the Russians can do it, well...so too can the USA do it...

Don't get me wrong... I am not advocating anything... just hoping people realise what the scope of all this is...poking a tiger is inadvisable even if you can deny doing it...
The Japanese did that at Pearl Harbor and we all know what happened next...

 

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Of course, from a guy who will is clearly and openly anti-Trump, this is what has to be expected.

I see no reason to differentiate among the members of a gang of war criminals.

Of course, the gang around Hillary "we came, we saw, he died" Clinton was completely innocent in the fate of Libya.

Who cares?

Even if true, the Dems under Obama had to power to stop these preparations. But, instead, they started this. This makes them war criminals. And the whole gang. Everyone had the choice to step down in protest. They didn't, thus, they supported those criminal wars. And once they were on the top of the power hierarchy, they are those to appear in the next Nuremberg trial.

LOL. Looks like these parts have been written by some bot. No AI necessary, if in a text appears "ad hominem", a variant of this claim has to be inserted.

Here one can stop reading, Let's see if below something more reasonable appears.

Care about yourself. I have not asked you for recommendations.

Color revolutions against China and Russia have been tried and failed, so that it is quite well-known what they can do and what they cannot. I know that Russia cares a lot about possible cyber attacks, and would guess the key things are safe. That the US can damage other nations with cyber warfare seriously is known, such weapons have been used against Venezuela recently, leading to serious blackouts. They have repeated that several times, with decreasing effect, and so one can be quite sure that this type of attack is no longer able to harm Venezuela. One can also be sure that knowledge about this attack method is now distributed among all those endangered by the US, and they will now, where necessary, secure their networks. Against Iran they are regularly used.

 

That would be easy, sure. You are parroting quite familiar language from a long familiar source, an American rightwing corporate authoritarian propaganda generator bereft of thought or meaning, in general - a bot can handle such posting, and correcting the illiteracy of your use of "ad hominem" is already mechanized in various grammar and copy-editing software.

That one can with reasonable accuracy identify the gullible victims of US Republican media feeds by using grammar-checking software is a bit strange in abstract, but the years have normalized the circumstance.

Yep. It's called "common reality" - most of my posting on the topic of Republican Party politics and domestic American circumstances is easily predictable by anyone acquainted with our common reality.
As yours is easily predicted by anyone acquainted with the US corporate authoritarian media - copy/paste from the Republican Party's propaganda feed, sign it "Schmelzer", and voilà.

Nor do you have the ability - as you have repeatedly and explicitly emphasized, you can't even differentiate between fascist demagogues and ordinary conservative politicians.

Which highlights the fact that despite admitted incapability and continual failure you keep trying - your continual invocation of "globalist" vs "nationalist", for example, has been so frequent and so muddled between the American Parties it has become a standing joke, while your "most evil" politician du jour is always whoever is most prominent in opposition to American fascism, exactly as identified by the Republican (fascist) media feed which is your only source.

Time travel is not among the capabilities of American politicians.
Many Dems (a majority of the Democratic Congress) did try to stop the 2003 invasion of Iraq , by voting against it. They were defeated by the Republican Congress, which voted for war as a bloc.
That is: There were no such Dems with such power, at the time. That kind of fascist organization and agenda was and is confined to the post-Reagan Republican Party.

More to the current point: "The Dems" were never "under" Obama - that's not how US political Parties work, barring fascist takeover.

The "preparations" were the work of the Republican Party during the Reagan, Bush, Clinton, and finally W&C, administrations - not the Democratic Party. Obama's administration had to deal with the aftermath of that warmongering, not the "preparations".

Aside from not knowing how US politics (or any democratic system) works, your central delusion seems to be that the US President is some kind of autocrat or mob boss - you post as if Putin and his allies were your only example of elected governance. That would explain why you can't see fascism - fish probably can't see water - but not why you keep getting suckered by even crude and simplistic US corporate authoritarian propaganda. Your outsider status should improve your eyesight, not blinker it.