Corona Virus 2019-nCoV

lol
I just reread your post and thought of a response:

But one thing for sure is that someone will win the world series.....thank you for confirming my point... (glib)

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edit: I gotta remember; humor is not recommended...

 

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I clearly did no such thing, and the irrelevancy of your comment remains.

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11-March-2021
News today has indicated that the UK strain (B.1.1.7) is not only 70% more contagious but up to 100% more deadly than the original strain. ( according to British researchers.)
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03...news-covid-19-latest-b117-variant-uk/13235734

More to come...no doubt.

 

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i am not following the virology as i have other more pressing issues
however
i am guessing this is the viral loading issue vaguely mentioned in the media ?
im guessing they do not wish to panic people too much

how many 1st world people went to high school ?

so they should understand what

is .... but they dont

what is the spread ratio ? 2.1 ?
so that is an increase of an entire person as a free agent spreading actively when the number gets above 50%
the exponential long function is staggeringly significant
you only need a small increase in fatal/chronic outcome to make a huge difference
keeping in mind all medical systems are unable to cope with the wide spread outbreak

but people on a whole are not educated & raised to mentally & emotionally process such realities
inspite of them claiming themselves to be capable.

 

The whole vaccines against the corona virus are not FDA approved because there is not any guarantee it won't cause you harm at the end of the day. Governments are experimenting with people. My guess is high level authorities never received any vaccination against the virus but placebos only.

 

Why not just jump straight to "Fauci went to China to create COVID so Bill Gates could inject you with microchips?" That's a much more popular conspiracy theory.

 

The FDA has approved three vaccines: BioNTech/Pfizer, Moderna, Johnson & Johnson. Oxford/AstraZeneca expected next month.

Governments are not experimenting with people. They are trying to control a dangerous epidemic. Idiots like you just make their job harder.

 

until he realised the chips were made in China and had to be recalled due to security risks... lol
Imagines millions of people lining up for their anti-anti-vax shots....

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Ignoring conspiracy theories just for a moment and I know it is tough and full of withdrawal symptoms but:
A desperate world calls out for desperate solutions.
Of course we already know that Vaccines normally take years to develop and test before release.
Of course we know that the reason they normally take years to develop are damn important because no Pharma company on the globe would slow down their profit taking unnecessarily.
So of course there is reason to be concerned about how quickly these vaccines have been developed and released.
However the reason why they have been released and approved for emergency use is because it is indeed an emergency. Too many people globally are being seriously impacted upon by this pandemic and ultimately it comes down to what risks are greater. Vaccine or no vaccine.
Do the vaccines minimize the risk and are the risks worth taking?
How else are international borders going to reopen?

It is concerning that when demand is so extreme "corruption" is most probable, financial and otherwise, human nature being as it is, but still it is worth biting down on that severe cynicism and remember that the vast majority are not so maliciously inclined..(Maybe Big Pharma should vaccinate all their share holders first and use their profiteers as guinea pigs?)

It is worth noting that even deliberate global corruption takes time to install itself and at the moment that time is approaching quite quickly and just about any authority is on the look out for it. IMO.

There should be a flood of vax scams, cons etc starting up any day now...

So we have a desperate world and a population that simply hates being so dependent and having to rely on big pharma/government integrity. So of course the world is going crazy with conspiracy theories and anti-vax sentiment. It is expected given the urgency of the situation, cynicism and denial of the science.

Cynicism:
Some may recall, well I do hope you at least have heard of it, the great Thalidomide scandal of the 60's. and certainly we are currently dealing with the Oxycodin opioid fiasco and sure a certain degree of cynicism is essential but it is worth noting that literally thousands of different medications and treatments are currently being successfully utilized with out such drama.

 

Stop guessing please

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OK, OK... those #~###@%* world leaders have faked they have been vaccinated against the corona virus.

 

do you have any supporting evidence to support your claim? ( other than your cynicism)

 

I was just pleasing Michael 345, he asked me to stop guessing in my messages.

You see, today's situation showing leaders having been vaccinated on TV camera, it reminds me the Greeks asking to the head household of the Maccabees family to "fake" he was eating pork, so the rest of Jewish people should start eating pork as well. Maccabees father refused such proposal of course, but today's leaders sell their soul to the devil everyday...

 

Evidence and / or link please

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hhmmm
more than happy to discuss your theory's around what is real virology & science and what is fake.
but you need to post a link to some data type thing that clearly shows some relative information around your comment to start a real debate.

this question for starters, ...
do you think viruses are not real and are faked by science people to control the population ?
(i will wait for your answer to that before i respond to anything else you post.)

excellent point of hard science modern reality, like sending a rover to mars...
50 years ago it would seem almost impossible
but today its just a matter of colouring in the numbers for those smart enough.
medical science has advanced significantly over the last few decades.

old testing methods would be a wait and see type of approach;
thus requiring long time periods to wait for symptoms to come up and show.
now testing can be performed to monitor functions like giving a scientist a microscope for the first time.

unfortunately power & control psychosis & systems to try and control people & money follow similar lines to the preceding few thousand years.

additionally there appears to be occasional people(who are asymptomatic) who register negative results then show positive results with no apparent change in their contact with others, suggesting they had the virus but were showing a negative test result.
its a very small number but such a trait would be highly beneficial to the virus survival, so as a strain with this type of feature, it would possibly have better survival chances.
it may be just poor patient reporting mixed with something else.
but such developments happen and can move quickly and change the over all impact significantly.

aside from vaccinating everyone in 1st world countrys as quickly as possible.
i wonder how quickly the new strains can be shut down from spreading.
i think some very hard borders may be needed and wont be created(hence my previous post about what i think the USA needs to do in Mexico, because i have a strong feeling the USA wont do it).
a few more hundred thousand dead & another 2 trillion in USA economy wiped & me saying "i told you so" wont put any money in my pocket

 

What has been happening here in Australia is a good case study IMO.
I guess because the relevant state governments are very jealously guarding the near elimination of this virus any confirmed case that has made it's way into the community ( the infected person traveling for example) solicits a rather extreme response. With in a few hours the relevant city is more or less sent into a temporary lock down of between 3 -7 days. While the contact tracing teams work out their contacts. Assume the worse until informed otherwise.
At first impression the actions taken seem over reactive and in some cases this has proven to be the case, however the results speak for them selves. Internal borders are more or less relaxed, community transmission is next to zero right across the nation and I am able to dine out with out any real restriction.

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Social distancing generally and mask wearing in congested areas is now the new social norm so the number of close contacts is minimized as par for course, making any outbreak easier to manage.

Every time there is an outbreak from International arrivals quarantine ( averaging say 1 per 30 days as a guesstimate) the relevant agencies learn something more about how to manage it in a way that minimizes disruption yet maintains Australia's bio-security..therefore lock downs become less needed but are available if necessary immediately ( with in 24 hours).

I am sure the USA has contingency plans for the Southern border and trigger points well established. Of course they are not going to publish those trigger points or strategies to avoid the possibility of people capitalizing on them. The USA is relying on vaccines to provide their Covid solution more so than Australia does.

I think you will find that things will be much more organized now that the new administration has taken the helm.
Politically the Border has been and still is a political hot potato so I wouldn't read too much into the mass media take on it...IMO

edit: There are still viral traces being found in sewage on occasions and this no doubt will be a factor in the Governments response to restrictions on larger gatherings, festivals etc...until Vax herd immunity is achieved.

 

Actually I don't think you were guessing. I think you were just venting your frustration at not being able to trust any one or anything that is involved in authority activities. This is probably because you equate authority with corruption. You are not alone of course but it is sad that your cynicism makes your life so... uhm...challenging...

If you have a problem with the vaccinations have a chat with your doctor....

 

UK Australia Singapore Japan & other modern island nations have the opportunity to gain virus eradication if they follow Australias' example.

i wonder type of head start research will require to stay on top of the evolving mutations.
as long as the resources are put into it, i expect 1 year may be possible.

 

The biggest problem is people being complacent or in denial and forcing the lockdowns to be ineffective.
The rule is simple enough. If the virus can not reproduce it dies ( about 30 days minimum of zero transmission). Maintain a situation where the virus dies and eradication is possible. This takes proactive social distancing action by all people in the zone.
Other wise just wait for an effective vaccine...and accept the consequential CFR...

 

question is larger or non compliant countrys where the virus is able to mutate faster than vaccines can be developed.