Black holes do not exist

Discussion in 'Pseudoscience' started by Luchito, Mar 3, 2021.

  1. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    And this has a bearing on the non existence of black holes how?

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  3. river

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    In these 16 yrs was it found that the Sun was moving in what direction , away from the source or inwards , towards the source ? Its important to know .

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  5. river

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    Dicart I read the article , but found no refrence to direction , relative to the source . ( Away or Towards ) ( No reference in direction of change of position in the breadth plane ; did it increase or decrease )
     
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  7. Janus58 Valued Senior Member

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    No, it isn't. Not for this study.
     
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    But could be , the data is already gathered . Just look for it .
     
  9. Dicart Registered Senior Member

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    Not sure to understand what you mean.
    "Sun" has nothing to do here, like Earth would not have anything to do with the observation.
    The Sun is the name of a particular star like the Earth is the name of a particular planet.
    Stars and planets are celestial objects.

    That said, the observations show that at the center of the galaxy, there are stars that are orbiting around something we can not see. This celestial object we can not see is compatible with what we think we know about a black hole at the center of a galaxy.
    We suppose the stars are orbiting around a black hole.

    Sometime with other observations, we also see stars being "eated" by black holes.

    We also have predicted that collapsing black holes product particular gravitational waves.
    Those waves have been detected with LIGO.

    https://www.livescience.com/super-big-black-hole-crash.html

    So, there is very little doubt that black holes dont exists.

    Perhaps we dont know all about this very strange celestial object, but at least the "black hole phenomenom" exists.
     
  10. river

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    Is the " image " a photograph ? Or art ?
     
  11. Dicart Registered Senior Member

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    A photograph.
     
  12. river

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    Many photos then . Great image . Of fluidity stilled .
     
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  14. river

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    Your post #46 does not prove that a black-hole exists .
     
  15. origin Heading towards oblivion Valued Senior Member

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    Run of the mill anti-relativity nutter.
     
  16. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    long form pure logic of scientific proof

    does an exploding atomic bomb provide scientific proof that atomic physics of the atom & its construction & mechanism, prove it exists ?
     
  17. river

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    Sure , but not black-holes .
     
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    excellent question

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    • the understanding of physics by current human society
    • verified evidential proof of current laws of physics being in the "unknown" category
    defines a logic progression of "un-known higher abilities" of physics that is possible
    and thus outside current understanding

    humans by nature tend to change & adapt their observations to meet socially acceptable lines of reality laws
    while the true scientific observer just reports their observations

    a scientific observation is purely that
    it is not a religion

    • religion and science are not logically the same in a simple fundamental process of constructive thought paradigms

    a majority of people have a large amount of indoctrinated bias which makes discussing such complex issues quite difficult

    black holes have been suggested by scientific process to be in existence as real things
    equally science also shows us that there are things like UFO's which have ability's which defy current human understanding of physics

    • equally logic dictates
    that humans are highly unlikely and almost 100% probable to NOT understand the physics of black holes.
    regardless of what raw data is currently on record.

    this renders scientific proof & scientific method to functionally dictate by scientific process that un-known physics is not only real but observable as a scientific fact.

    note there are other things as well as UFO's which do the same if your knee jerk reaction is to align bias with UFO to abandon the process of scientific proof for scientific process to deliver some personal ends(theoretical ideological motive).
     
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  19. river

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    We are Evolving Our Thinking . It's Natural . Thinking Naturally Evolves because We Wan't to Understand . As of yet , no theory of the Universe Completely Understands it .
     
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  20. river

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    I would a video of post#46 link , to be forever focused on . With the Highest Technology Resolution possible . And from as many angles as possible . Culminated together . Into one picture . 3D ( three dimensionally ) . Continueosly . For infinity .
     
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  21. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    in theory yes
    thats exactly it
    but also in laws of current theory it must actually go somewhere
    it cant just magically disappear
    additionally
    humans are not 3D observers
    humans are 3D interactive objects
    but it is impossible for a human to observe depth of field of an object by seeing it & seeing through it.
    so in practicality the human reference frame is objectively 2D

    but humans think in terms of possibly 4 or 5 D
     
  22. river

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    But it should be 3D . Three Dimensions , is fundamental to any existence . Of any thing . In any dimension . ( Breadth , Length , Depth ) . Neither can exist without the other . A Truth .
     
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  23. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    that is a difference between mental ability's
    Americans hate that idea because they have a civil cultural religious war against science & intellectualism on going which is fueled by greed & user pays money power

    it is the alt-right conservatives who pushed the "every child should be equal" idea to balance their wanted life style choice for religion to have a legitimized place in secular education systems
    the alt-right fascists then blamed that on liberal left socialists & called it socialism as propoganda


    thought experiment for you to answer your question
    explain the difference in a person touching something with their hand to feel something is 3D
    then explain someone observing something with their eyes to explain how they perceive something is 3D
    then explain the difference between perception & fact

    a lot of people find it hard not to let their religious bias infect their ability to discuss real hard science theory & fact
    both-sides-ism-splain has no benefit to science discussions because they never fix a point to be tested and so rely on people just agreeing without using scientific method


    just because that has become the norm in many social cultures does not mean it dictates black hole science

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