You acknowledge that "your science" is different from science. You're no longer pretending that you're talking about the same science the rest of us are. And, also, that you don't get "your science" from reading. A clear picture is forming in my mind.
I dont think he was wrong, because i have ended with the same conclusion when i was trying to understand the gravitation exerced by a spherical body, using some point to point reasoning. After that, i did some computer simulation taking in accound the density of each shell (for earth), and finaly the result was prety coherent with what we know. So, yes i am not a genius like Newton, but this simple shell theorem can be understand with some labor even if (like me) you are not very mathematicaly skilled. Why not, but for the moment i dont see any train. Perhaps, very unlikely, but i only judge on result. Ok then, lets show us your train. What is this method ?
Your error is to believe all "theoretical science" is science. I can easily prove there is not such "time dilatation" with simple house made experiments, and the whole famous theory ends as a joke. That is the difference between the applications on the "same science": yours is based on hypothetical events created in a piece of paper, mine is applying the scientific method on "existing physical means". Black holes do not exist, this is the title of this topic, and this title is 100% accurate.
I put my house, all my money and my new car on it, what are you going to put over the table? Think about it, you have spent money in schools learning fantasies as if those were science, and you have wasted great part of your life believing them. Are you going to expect the release of an entire study in an online forum? I gave you the least of the clues, the one that itself has already caused discussion of pages in this thread. And this small release deletes entirely the scandalous propaganda of gigantic black holes, and being on centers of galaxies and similar. Just one small release, saying such a hypothetical piece of stone won't perturb nothing around, nothing... absolutely nothing... About its possibility to exists?... ha ha ha ha... If you want to prove black holes exist, you need more than a piece of paper saying it can exist. Your theory must be observable and testable when needed. You just can't jump from a piece of paper to computer simulations "demonstrating" black holes can exist, such is not science but science fiction. You have been deceived.
Which one, the non black holes, the non dilatation of time, the non looking at the universe "as it was in its past", and etc?
Same, i put my mouse, my honey and my new jar on it. I dident spend money on school, at least my parents did. Sure not, but an abstract. You have an abstract ready i suppose ? I dient noticed, you can give the number of the message ? (You know, the #xxx) I dont think you have understood the problem of the stone. The stone, if it was a black hole, would have some clearly visible effect, but a stone would not have any visible effect (altought it has effet, but who cares...)
You can't prove anything with formulas, your point is 100% invalid. Formulas are made later, after a phenomenon is observed and you need numbers and values trying to explain it. You invent formulas first looking for a body to fit with them, such is not science but nonsense.
Some fun between discussions. In 1960's, the absurdity of black holes was to invade college and universities. Of course students didn't buy it. A college newspaper making fun of such weird idea from physics teachers, published the following picture of space showing inside a black hole fulfilling all the requirements, including its capability to impede the escape of its own light. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Picture of a black hole.
Enough! Bunch of ignorant! Lol. I have never saw so much waste of pages arguing in base of good for nothing theories. For once in your life: think! Stop repeating your superfluous formulas and equations invented by dudes in the past centuries, those have been debunked now. All your life you have been believing in pseudo science, in pure fiction. Give a look at the universe and ask yourself: Can I find over there a body truly "at rest"? The answer: no. Every time you use a body "at rest" in your formulas, you are just pretending, because such is not what physical reality is about. Let me give you another one. Do you believe in "dilatation of time" because the atomic clocks in space give a different time data than similar clocks on ground zero on earth? Let me ask you something, are clocks a kind of devices which can measure the assuming "flowing of time"? The answer: hell no. Then, why you believe in such nonsense then? Can't you see it? Most of your knowledge in physics is pure crap. You might argue your formulas "work". Sure... right... because you can manipulate them to make them fit what you want to see, but in reality the universe is not ruled by "laws" invented by humans. Black holes do not exist because its original formulas and equations are based on a theory not based on reality.... and the theory of relativity is as false as a fourteen dollars bill. Guys, we are in a new millennium, and the theories you are using belong to past millenniums. Believing in relativity is to keep a medieval times science with the idea that time flows, is to believe in magic with light having "constant speed" (since its own depart from the body which expelled it) and several other child's imaginations. Anything coming from the theory of relativity is fake, false, hoax, fraud, you name it. Why do you insist in keeping debunked theories when there is plenty new knowledge which is way more accurate and can explain the universe with simpler steps? I have gave you two points (nothing is a rest, dilatation of time doesn't happen and there is not a valid instrument to measure such an imagination) which are directly related with the possible existence of black holes. You can't solve those two points by using your theories, because your theories have already implied them without checking reality first. I admire how great you have reached in mastering formulas and equations in physics, I truly do. But a great percent of those do not belong to science, but to pseudo science. Best is to remove the ones coming from past centuries theories and keep only the ones obtained after a phenomenon has been observed first and there is a need to explain its process, development or decay, cause and effect, etc. Black hole theory was born in a piece of paper, never forget this fact. Don't let others to deceive you telling you those bodies do exist because they don't.
The only thing that has been "debunked" here is the least bit of suspicion that you have even the vaguest idea of what you are talking about.
Arrogant rooky ! Lol. At least you would spread some strange ideas that could inspire more skilled peoples... But no... True vacuum doesent exist ? False ! What come from Luchito's mouth proove it. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! But who said this ? You... Now you say it is not possible. Sure... Reference frame could be your answer (if you dare to think...) At least your funny. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Not only, but yes. The true answer : Heaven yes ! Because i think, then i observe what other have thought. Oh, we agree ! Good. No, actual knowlegdes are good. But we can surely imagine better representations (and many scientists do this actually). I dont understand why the "but". Then proove it. I know myself some other accurate explainations, but this does not mean the actual facts are false. Dont be shy, explain us why RG is crap. Sorry but : 1. Nothing at rest => Wrong use (or most likely no use at all) of referential. 2. Dilatation of time doesent happen => Yes...and no, but you have probably not understand the concept. But clocks proove that line of universe are a reality. 3. There is not a valide instrument to measure an imagination => Clocks mesure the passing of time, clocks exists.
Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Look what I just photo shopped and sent around the world to fool all those dumb scientists Made some headlines as well https://www-theverge-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2021/3/24/22349019/black-hole-photo-event-horizon-telescope-m87?amp_js_v=a6&_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQHKAFQArABIA==#aoh=16166635598660&referrer=https://www.google.com&_tf=From %1$s&share=https://www.theverge.com/2021/3/24/22349019/black-hole-photo-event-horizon-telescope-m87 Topped off with a video Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
Only two points of your last message are worthy for replay. Yes, arrogant, that's me. The knowledge I own is way greater than the majority. I can see what others can't see when is about science, religion, you name it. And if I say black holes do not exist, is because they don't. The possibility of their existence is lesser than zero... lol. Open a clockwork toy and check its interior. It is built with a close mechanism as clockwork clocks and watches. Clocks are devices calibrated to a steady and regular motion, no matter is mechanical, digital or atomic, all clocks work under the same calibration. No sensors are installed to measure if time flows, of if it slows down or accelerates. To think that clocks measure the passing of time is not true at all.
You know that condition has a name. It's called the Dunning-Kruger Effect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect
