George Floyd trial,could you make a case for the defendant not being guilty of the charges?

So if a suspect is potentially in respiratory distress due to elements beyond the officers control, do you think it prudent for the arresting officers to intentionally inflict additional respiratory distress just for good measure? Wouldn't it make more sense for the arresting officers to try to restrain the suspect in a way that would minimize the apparent preexisting distress?

 

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For some reason when it's made plain the brutal knee-on-neck and similar restraint techniques are largely if not entirely a result of as expected $$$ lucrative Israeli designed and implemented US police 'exchange' training programs:
http://www.sciforums.com/threads/ge...ty-of-the-charges.164217/page-21#post-3672950
, it just gets totally ignored here as elsewhere. Exemplifying who is entirely protected from all negative fallout. Ecclesiastes 10:19. Disgusting confirmation of that Central Tenet of The Tribe's True Religion.

 

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I think I mentioned this way back in this thread

It would be prudent to forget about what took place in the store - call in the medics and (unfortunately for them) dump him into their care as a potential inadvertent overdose

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Would likely not be held with a jury pool having their neighborhoods threatened with riots (change of venue), with a judge who refuses to sequester them (tainted jury), etc..

Actually, I had mixed up Chauvin's and another officer's body cam footage. But both the officer's, who tried to pull Floyd into the car, and Chauvin's body cams show that Floyd lunged out of the other side. And if you think trying to support/control a suspect is "hands around the neck," in any way that would constitute airway or blood flow restriction, you're ignorant of basic physiology.

Derek Chauvin body camera video of George Floyd arrest shown at trial - YouTube​

I would seriously hope that a majority of people who deem to post on a science forum are more capable than your average Joe at understanding legal technicalities.

Jurors Are Only Human: Proper Instructions Can Aid Their Good-Faith Deliberations | Carlton Fields
Helping Juries Succeed​

True enough. The competent thing to do with an uncooperative suspect that four officers cannot make comply would have been to tase him. But then, they knew that had a chance of killing someone who heart is already jacked up on drugs, and typically don't resort to that unless under a more immediate threat. Not to mention all the second guessing going on amid BLM riots.

Not aware of any in my town, but we have a very low crime rate.

Lawyer: Officer's knee to neck killed man during 2018 arrest
How 2 doting dads, George Floyd and Nicholas Farah, died in the hands of police - ABC News​

That, or I'm just a conservative who shares in a common set values and you like to stereotype without ever getting around to demonstrating this supposed one-for-one comparison and paranoid conspiracy theorizing.

No doubt, but unless you have evidence to the contrary, such cases are rare.

Positing a common source is.

Then demonstrate a one-for-one comparison. Or you could just quit being a stereotyping bigot.

Hey, if I can't dissuade you of your bigoted language, so be it.

So far, you've only made the vague claim that anything I've said resembles what Hannity might have. So be sure to point out when you get around to noting a particular similarity. I can't tell if you're still backpedaling or still failed to grasp the notion that you associating two things as a criticism is the definition of guilt by association.

Wow, that's some blatant antisemitism, complete with "greedy Jew" references.

 

Ah, 20/20 hindsight.

 

Such an attitude statement is of course politically correct hence safe to make. Try though instead to refute the substance of the content exposed in those links supplied in p21 #419.
Good luck. And btw I don't cringe at the weaponized way overused charge of 'antisemitism' (an anachronism given the ~ 80% Khazar non-semitic racial heritage of Israeli Jews). What needs to be aired openly and discussed without fear is the extremist antigoyism that exhibits as 'full-spectrum warfare' against all outside the tribe but particularly against whites. As a strategic divide-and-conquer first off priority for achieving the stage-by-careful-stage realization of the dreamed ultimate triumph of Zionism.

 

I'll take that as your full-throated admission to being an anti-Semite, and as such, it's completely contemptible and below any unbigoted person's need or desire to legitimize. Such open bigotry is its own refute. Besides, anti-Semites will never accept any refute of their conspiracy theories. It's just arguing with their delusions.

 

As expected, more chest-beating attitude statements. Dodging my invite to try and refute the content linked to p21 #419 is ok by me. It would obviously just devolve into time wasting deflection and more name calling. Enjoy your other brawls here though.

 

In a perfect world, yes, but the problem is, is that the meth mask the effects of the fentanyl. It doesn't look like your average overdose. Methamphetamine increases your heart rate, your body’s need for oxygen, alertness and physical activity, but it wears off quicker than fentanyl. It’s this delayed response to the fentanyl that’s so dangerous. Once the stimulating effect of methamphetamine is absent, respiratory depression sets in.

 

You're an anti-Semite citing openly antisemitic sources (IPN & PNN). There's no there there. There's just some Palestinian activist and an article with no byline, both making unsupported claims. So you're only offering an unsupported, antisemitic conspiracy theory and asking others to "prove you wrong," like any other crackpot.

 

Most likely, if his appeal is successful and he’s given a new trial, they’d probably move it to a new venue. I recall hearing after the trial was over that one of the jurors attended a “police accountability” protest and how that could be part of the “grounds for appeal.” He stated though that it didn’t have to do with George Floyd, per se. Appeals aren’t about judges second guessing juries though, so not sure where the appeals process will lead for Chauvin.

Here’s the story about the above mentioned juror:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/05/03/chauvin-trial-juror/

 

Nonsense - your attempt to paint those links as nothing more than Palestinian 'sour grapes' falls flat on just a cursory examination.
I note the second link to msn site has been pulled - no guesses who the rabidly censorial pressure group(s) responsible are supporting there. No matter, everything relevant is contained within the first one linked to there, itself copiously supplying links to reputable sources - including Amnesty International e.g.
https://www.amnestyusa.org/with-who...-with-a-chronic-human-rights-violator-israel/

 

Only because you're a biased anti-Semite, as you thoroughly demonstrated.

That dead link article was readily found at the Palestine News Network: http://english.pnn.ps/2020/06/01/israeli-forces-training-us-police-on-large-scale-amnesty/
Funny how you were so quick to dismiss a source you weren't even aware of as "sour grapes." Just goes to show your motivated reasoning to justify your antisemitism.

 

I found that site too and easily. My point was the original had been pulled - obviously under duress from the usual pro-Israel censorial suspects. My second point was that and much else was already covered in the first linked to article. The one you also deliberately mischaracterized. And tried to bury via stereotypical innuendo. Don't have a nice day.

 

There's those antisemitic conspiracy theories.

If Americans Knew is full of antisemitic tropes and conspiracy theories, even just on the same page with that article. That you think that's a mischaracterization only shows how deep you are in it.

 

And you wouldn't be totally biased in a certain direction yourself? Ha ha ha ha.

 

as/re semites

If Arabs and Hebrews are Semites and Arabs and Hebrews kill each other, are they not both anti-Semites?

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(I ain't completely confused yet, but I am working on it.)

 

Fittingly in hindsight, the term Semitic was coined in a German university, detoured through a Frenchman calling Semitics inferior to Aryans, then back to Germans, who founded the specifically anti-Jewish "League for Anti-Semitism." Not to mention Arabs (including Iranians, from whom the word Aryan derives) later finding common cause with Germany in their hatred of Jews. So the Jew haters have thoroughly adopted the term antisemitism, and any reference to Arabs is completely obsolete...except maybe to antisemitic apologists (who seem to drop likes when they can't spew their hatred openly).

 

Wow - this combative chimp knows his history! Sort of - from a particular perspective anyway.

Technically though, the rather cute term 'antisemitism' (why not the more honest and direct 'anti-Jewish'?) borrows from the ancient Israelite Torah myth where Noah's three sons were Shem, Japheth, and Ham. The latter's descendants (inclusive of the dark-skinned races) having a general curse placed on them btw. According to the myth, Abraham -> Isaac -> Jacob (Divinely renamed Israel) -> Jews were very specially blessed by G_d as descendants of Shem, from which is derived 'Semitic'. So also to a considerably lesser extent were the the supposed descendants of Abraham through the 'bastard son' Ishmael, who later came to be mostly identified as Arabs. So sculptor's statement is actually correct. G_d of the Chosen People is according to Torah a very racist Deity!

PS - This has become quite a sidetrack from OP topic!