Teecher will be Fired for not takin covid vaccine.!!!

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  1. cluelusshusbund + Public Dilemma + Valued Senior Member

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    Do you thank that bein tested for covid shoud always be an individual choice wit no repercussions from employers if they refuse the test.???
     
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  3. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    UK:
    Can employees refuse COVID testing?
    In short, yes, UK employees can refuse to be tested for coronavirus. It’s an employee’s right to decide whether or not they take a COVID test, not their employer’s.
    from:
    https://www.coronatestcentre.com/post/can-employees-refuse-covid-testing

    USA:
    Can My Employer Require Me to Take a COVID-19 Test?
    According to recent guidance from the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC), the answer is probably yes. The EEOC has stated that employers can generally require employees to undergo viral testing as long as the testing procedure complies with the Americans With Disabilities Act (ADA).
    from:
    https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/required-covid-19-testing.html

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    Personally
    I want the test
    as for others
    I do not care.
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    anecdote
    Long ago, a fellow for whom I did contract work asked me if I would take a drug test.
    And, I said: "Sure Carl, right after you blow me".
     
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  5. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, a right-winger who wants a check from the government.

    Your call: How many people need to die for the sake of someone else's religious freedom?

    I mean, it's what you want, so I figure you have at least some idea of the impact. So how many people do you need to die so your pretense of liberty can feel like a good thing? How many people need to die so that you can feel empowered and respected? How many people need to die so you can feel better, Sculptor?
     
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  7. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    Ti ass a
    Does the fact that you are so abominably wrong ever enter your consciousness?
     
  8. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    So in both places, people have the right to refuse the test. In both places, companies then have the right to impose disciplinary action and/or fire the person who refuses.

    Freedom!
     
  9. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    Yes in the UK, as in just about every country of the world, you can refuse to be tested.

    But your employer can then sack you, if it is condition of employment that you be tested.

    But only an utter moron would refuse a simple thing like a test. More to the point, the requirement to be vaccinated can also be made a condition of employment, though this in practice used only sparingly, for example in staff at old people's nursing homes.

    Employers are not legally required to employ people who pose a threat to those they care for.
     
  10. cluelusshusbund + Public Dilemma + Valued Senior Member

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    Why do you "want the test".???
     
  11. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    in a word:
    Curiosity
     
  12. cluelusshusbund + Public Dilemma + Valued Senior Member

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    What is it about the covid test that you are qurious.???
     
  13. candy Valued Senior Member

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    People have the right to choose but it is a 2 way deal.
    You chose not to be tested; other people choose not to have contact with you. Employers choose not to employ you.
    Choices have consequences. There are some people who can not have the vaccine and protocols will need to be established on how that is dealt with. The religious objection is also a special situation.
     
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  14. cluelusshusbund + Public Dilemma + Valued Senior Member

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    In Concluson:::

    For those who need help wit figerin out ther special situation... they shoud not get a Typhoid-Mary-Pass... they shoud stay away from those they might infect or those that might infect them.!!!
     
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  15. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    I suspect most such people would say "none."

    Look at the lengths many of them go to call the pandemic fake, or "it's just like the flu" or "if you got the shot, what are you worried about?" or "99.999% of people survive!" or "it only kills the sickly" (or the fat, or the people who don't take care of themselves i.e. not me, or anyone responsible.) That way they can maintain an aura of superiority - they just want "FREEDOM!" - and are not harming anyone else via their FREEDOM! unlike all the communists who want to mandate the vax.
     
  16. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Valued Senior Member

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    I always wonder: Is this some rubber-glue need that just won't leave your conscience to its silence?

    Compared to any prospect of a would-be third way, the pretense that one is not somenthing but merely coincidentally requires outcomes that empower it, was already overused and devalued when Sciforums arrived, and these years later is only less believable; we're in a time when intelligent and well-intended people ought to know better already.

    †​

    Here are two vaguely related examples.

    One is someone I had an argument with, once upon a time. In fact, he and I have had a few over time, and as it happens, we tend to dispute different aspects of a particular issue. And, sure enough, he occasionally uses some context of the word libertarian to describe himself, so, no, it's not surprising that the one intersection where he falters is a particular human rights question that happens to coincide with some context of self-interest. This happens; people are people, and we're going to disagree.

    Still, though, the part I don't get is how dualistic the disagreements seem to be: At the intersection with firearms, is there no better line for him than reading me the NRA panic? At the intersection with the workplace, is he really telling me that sometimes ... er, right, and if, as such, that's not quite it, then what is it? This is the perpetual mystery.

    Now, that one, like me, falls somewhere between liberal and the revolutionary left, but even with time to think about it, I still can't figure out why the response must necessarily be so polar.

    That question of polarity arises frequently; a more severe and consistent form actually describes itself as anti-, but if the problem really is those activists over there, we might wonder why the opposition to that problem simply defaults to known inequality, and the rhetoric of what it supposedly isn't. Still, while it is an unfortunate context and magnitude of disagreement with the one, that's pretty much what it is; his similar priorities are arranged in some different order, and that can affect perspective.

    The other example is just this guy who for whatever reason needs to be seen a particular way, but in all the time I've known him has never learned how to play the part. And the thing is that if there is a question of what he is or isn't, the difference between what he wants to be seen as and what he gives is found in the shortcomings of his performance compared to the distinctive markers when he freestyles. The effect is that maybe he can recite certain platitudes, and even figure out some degree of which talking points work when or not, but when faced with anything short of formal identity groups, he takes a libertarianish line that, just like supremacists, fallaciously projects in order to wonder why people are afraid of something.

    Now, compared to that one, this other guy is a much more fundamental question of disagreement; it's just that for as long as I've known him, he's never come right out and said whatever it is he really, really wants to say, but whenever he starts to, it sounds a whole lot like what he does not wish to be seen as.

    And it's true, I wonder about these arguments that aren't what they sound like.

    You've been that way for years, too. You can pretend some sort of libertarianism, but your mockery↑ on this occasion↑ is fundamentally rightist, and there is nothing new about that.
     
  17. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    No fairs fair she is still not being discriminated against because of her religion. I view her being fired for not following school rules

    America seems to have "fire at will" law which allows people to be fired for NO reason????

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  18. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    In the US they can fire someone for flunking a mandatory piss test for weekend cannabis use. And the governments that brought us that are the same ones all these anti-vaxxers voted into power.
    Seems like a settled question.
     
  19. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    They SHOULD but frequently do not - might infect = everyone. Some easier than others but with COVID-19 do you want the unvaccinated choose?

    Stay in their house and feed them with Meals On A Very Long Pole

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  20. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    Tell that to small pox.

    I haven't been vaccinated for the bubonic plague but, there still are people who are. The virus/bacteria was killed before I was born.
     
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  21. gmilam Valued Senior Member

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    We have one of those laws here in Texas. Ironically, it's called the "right to work" law.
     
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  22. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    I think she has every right to refuse that vaccination, and every right to get smallpox. And the school has every right to not hire someone like that.
     
  23. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    Couple things

    It seems that fully vaccinated people can, and do carry the same viral load of the delta variant as the non vaccinated people.

    and
    This will play out in the courts.
    If the woman cited above does not voluntarily accept being forced into an unpaid leave, then, when the issue has run through the court system, she may be entitled to back pay for the missed work.

    .......As is true of much that happens in the courts system: It should prove interesting..........................

    Imho, politicians should stay the hell out of science, and medicine.
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    anecdote
    Back in the days when armies attacked castles and walled cities; when the walls had had a hole blasted through them.
    The first soldiers through the breech were called "the forlorn hope"
    Desiring to control politicians seems of that ilk.
     

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