Teecher will be Fired for not takin covid vaccine.!!!

Discussion in 'Free Thoughts' started by cluelusshusbund, Oct 2, 2021.

  1. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    Wonder is a good thing. It posits the concept of ignorance. and: Admitting ignorance can be the best place to start to acquire knowledge.

    Let us rejoice in our newfound ignorance.

    Meanwhile:
    Couple things
    You may have noticed the word order of "Libertarian socialist"?
    I used to joke that I went so far right that I circled the earth and came back around left.
    There is some truth in that.
    The right is my default position.
    That being said, I caucused for Dennis John Kucinich -and, had he gotten the nomination, I would have campaigned for him----socialist enough for you?
    At the time, I suggested that my preferred presidential ticket would be Ross Perot and Dennis Kucinich.
    and
    The only checks that I ever took from our government were my wages when I was in the army.
    And, I was grossly underpaid. (would you risk your life and sanity for 500 bucks a month?)
    and
    50 years I paid into the social security trust fund, and now, I am getting some of that back.
    (the social security trust fund stands apart from the regular government budget---so that ain't really a check from the government)

    I would really like to see a government of, by, and for the people.
    That ain't gonna happen!

    So. what are we left with?
     
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  3. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Nope. On average, it is far lower in vaccinated people.
    So you oppose sewers, public water systems, vaccine research, and the exploration of space? Ever used (or benefited from) GPS, MRI scanners, the Internet, communication satellites, LED's, barcodes, fracking, hepatitis vaccines or radar? You can thank the government for all those advances in science and medicine.
     
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  5. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    Sculptor said:
    Let us consider the evidence:

    UC Davis and UC San Francisco researchers found vaccinated and unvaccinated people carry the same viral load for the coronavirus ...
    Vaccinated and unvaccinated people carry the same viral loads of the delta variant of the coronavirus when they are infected, according to new research.
    from
    https://www.deseret.com/coronavirus/2021/10/6/22711657/covid-viral-loads-in-vaccinated-people

    and
    Now, in a new preprint, researchers have provided further evidence backing up this finding.

    The new study found that virus levels in a fully vaccinated person who has contracted the Delta variant are similar to those of a person who has not had a vaccination.

    This is a concern, as a person with a high viral load may be more likely to pass on the virus.
    from
    https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/ar...ted-people-have-similar-levels-of-virus#Delta

    so, I reiterate:
    It seems that fully vaccinated people can, and do carry the same viral load of the delta variant as the non vaccinated people.

    believe it
    don't believe it
    your mind, your choice
     
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  7. cluelusshusbund + Public Dilemma + Valued Senior Member

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    Its a small percentage of fully vaccinated people who get covid agan... an for a few days they can carry a high viral load of covid... not several days compaired to the unvaccinated... in any case you'r just makin the pont that even vaccinated people shoud still ware masks when around those who have or have not been vaccinated.
     
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  8. cluelusshusbund + Public Dilemma + Valued Senior Member

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    Just the narcissistic types who trash science an dont care how many die in order for them to be reelected... an the ignorant Dum-Azzes who keep preechin sht that makes others less likely to wear masks/get vaccinated durin a pandemic.!!!
     
  9. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    I highlighted the important part.

    People who are vaccinated get infected far less often than people who are not vaccinated. Thus, ON AVERAGE, viral load is far lower in vaccinated people.

    To put it another way, you are a lot safer in a large crowd of vaccinated people than you are in a crowd of unvaccinated people. Because if you take the average viral load of 1000 vaccinated people and 1000 unvaccinated people, it will be far lower in the vaccinated people.
     
  10. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    Jeezzzzzzzzz man
    follow the bouncing ball
    I was specifically referring to the vaccine mandate which started this thread.
    They got it wrong!

    A mandate here, a mandate there, carefully crafted from ignorance and pretty soon
    dysfunction feeds on itself like a feedback loop.
     
  11. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    You do not get to co-opt the language of a marginalized population whose rights are being denied to support bullshit quackery
     
  12. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    You claiming to be a libertarian socialist makes as much of one as the democratic republic of Congo calling its self that makes it either democratic or a republic.
     
  13. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    And don't forget - it's the Democratic People's Republic of Korea under Kim Jong-Un. It says so right there in the name!
     
  14. cluelusshusbund + Public Dilemma + Valued Senior Member

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    What did they get wrong.???
     
  15. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    But there's a lot fewer of them, and the disease is not as severe in them - they don't tie up all the hospital beds, choke the emergency response systems, burn out the doctors and nurses, and so forth.
    So among the vaccinated many fewer get sick with Covid, and many fewer people suffer from lack of medical care for other diseases, and the entire population is much better off.

    Which we would be, right now, if we had simply responded as we had been set up to respond to the onset of a pandemic. The US invented most the stuff the competent medical systems of the world have been using to squelch this thing.

    ?
    You don't get your checks from the trust fund. That's not how it's set up. The trust fund was just Reagan's successful robbery of the American taxpayer - it replaced the obvious solution to the baby boom, which was temporarily raise taxes on the rich. Instead, it imposed double taxation on the middle and working class.

    Social Security is a government welfare program - run by the government, funded by taxation, etc. It's a check from the government.
    It's a socialist government program - the government owns it, runs it, controls the money, borrows from it at whim, etc, and the US government is a social entity along with the body of its citizenry.

    Classic, textbook, type specimen socialism. The gain in national prosperity and personal freedoms US citizens enjoyed via installing wise and competent government in that matter is still - after forty years of Reaganomics - not been completely frittered away.
     
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  16. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    This is a public health matter. It has nothing to do with discriminating based on religion. Her religion has nothing to do with the reason the district authorities are requiring teachers to be vaccinated.

    Perhaps they are right.
     
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  17. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    It certainly is.
    But it's not her air.

    She is welcome to breathe any air that she can guarantee doesn't get mixed with anyone else's air.

    (I give her about two minutes to enjoy her personal freedom.)
     
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  18. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    The godless heathen district authorities ill conceived mandate doesn't matter.
    It is her religious freedom , and her constitutional rights which are being trampled upon.

    as previously stated: This will surely play out in the courts, and will prove damned interesting.
    Don't forget: Tune in for the thrilling conclusion.
     
  19. foghorn Valued Senior Member

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    Are there rights for kids to be taught in a safe environment??

    Yes, only godless people make decisions you don't like. Your true colours are coming to the fore.

    And beyond, I can picture it now, a storming of the Capitol building, thumping down the doors with their Bibles, fire and brimstone, Armageddon.
    Popcorn, peanuts, ice cream.
     
  20. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Nonsense.

    If a person has a religious belief that he is a better driver when he is drunk, he must still obey laws against drunk driving. That is not his religious freedom being trampled upon. That is the protection of OTHER people's right to live.

    If a person has a religious belief that gays must be put to death (hey, it's in the Bible) he must still obey laws against murder. That is not his religious freedom being trampled upon. That is the protection of OTHER people's right to live.

    If a person decides they have a constitutional right to "the pursuit of happiness" and that pursuit of happiness involves raping women, he will go to jail. That is not an example of his Constitutional rights being trampled. That is the protection of other people against violence.

    If a teacher decides that he does not believe in germ theory, and he attempts to teach while infected with tuberculosis, he will be barred from doing so. That is not the trampling of his beliefs. That is protection of the rights of his students to not be put at risk by a dangerous disease.

    Get the gist?
     
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  21. cluelusshusbund + Public Dilemma + Valued Senior Member

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    An when Joe Blow Rogan regurgitated the same crap Dr. Sanjay Gupta tried to enlighten him wit evidence... but Joe didnt seem all that interested in science based information.!!!

    Dr. Sanjay Gupta -- "I shared data with Joe showing the vaccinated were eight times less likely to become infected in the first place, and that their viral loads came down more rapidly if they did get infected -- making them contagious for a shorter period and less likely to spread the virus"

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/13/health/sanjay-gupta-joe-rogan-experience/index.html
     
  22. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    Seems just a tad too idiomatic for my tastes.
     
  23. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    From the CDC:

    "the risk of infection remains much higher for unvaccinated than vaccinated people. Studies so far show that vaccinated people are 8 times less likely to be infected and 25 times less likely to experience hospitalization or death. Vaccines remain effective in protecting most people from COVID-19 infection and its complications."

    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/201...measure-effectiveness/breakthrough-cases.html
     

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