personality theory based on archetypes

RainbowSingularity · Dec 17, 2021

Luchito said: ↑

James Franck, the physicist had long conversations with Einstein, and from those later on he wrote about his friend.
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have you watched the drama documentary ?
its very disturbing
very sad to see such an amazing mind be destroyed by illness
i was almost crying at the end
crying on the inside
i felt soo sad & depressed at the end of the docu-drama.

the subnarative suggested frank had alternative thoughts around some things
& was attempting to represent Einstein rather than just cold quote him
there were documented arguments between them about this very issue i believe.

Einstien was always half way between humble & shocked at the wider more ignorant world
how he expressed himself is generally fairly modestly & always through a different filter

i wonder if you have people confused ?
maybe you have been reading some fringe material rather than reading the majority of information

Luchito said: ↑

retarded
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/style/longterm/books/chap1/einstein.htm

Einstein maintained he made no attempt to talk until he was past three, and his parents feared that he was mentally retarded.
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Two years later when he began elementary school, his teachers, far from rating him a thinker, revived early fears that he was mentally retarded
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https://www.nytimes.com/1999/06/18/us/so-is-this-why-einstein-was-so-brilliant.html

Dr. Witelson said the theory was supported by an oft-repeated story that Einstein's mother was worried that he might be retarded because his head seemed large and misshapen at birth and his speech was slow to develop.
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https://www.edubloxtutor.com/einstein-learning-disability/

The Connecticut Association for Children with Learning Disabilities, under the headline, “Some Kids with Learning Disabilities Do Okay for Themselves,” writes: “Years ago there was a three-year-old child who couldn’t learn to talk. At eight, he still couldn’t read. His teachers thought he was retarded. He wasn’t. Albert Einstein had a learning disability.”3
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https://www.massey.ac.nz/massey/abo...cle_uuid=0EDA8F75-96BF-57FE-AC7B-A616634B277A

Young Albert didn't speak until he was three. Even afterwards his parents expressed concerns that he might be retarded. At 10, Albert showed himself a mediocre student at a Catholic primary school - but one noted for his stubbornness and sense of personal principles.
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https://www.wagingpeace.org/albert-einstein-scientist-and-pacifist/

Albert Einstein was born in Ulm, Germany, in 1879. He was the son of middle-class, irreligious Jewish parents, who sent him to a Catholic school. Einstein was slow in learning to speak, and at first his parents feared that he might be retarded; but by the time he was eight, his grandfather could say in a letter: “Dear Albert has been back in school for a week. I just love that boy, because you cannot imagine how good and intelligent he has become.”
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https://www.iol.co.za/mercury/news/world/einsteins-child-was-retarded-claim-14074

New York - A new book claims that Albert Einstein's illegitimate daughter was born severely retarded, possibly with Down's syndrome, and died at 21 months after a bout with Scarlet fever.
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i cant see any legitimate scholarly people or organizations making any such claim to a quote from Einstein

it all appears to be environmentally sourced as a back story around subjective opinions of others OF his childhood in a specific time

Luchito said: ↑

What more proof that the reports of his teachers and he cataloguing himself as a retarded.
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why mix 2 drastically different things together while not providing any proof of either

i have provided plenty of references to other people making subjective opinions of what THEY think other people long dead before them
possibly MIGHT have thought about Einstein

come on !
your long since finished flogging of a dead horse, is now you dragging a piece of rotting meat behind you & calling it a lively breeding pair of quality stock animals

LoL !
now your trolling !

Luchito said: ↑

About his brain, you have mentioned something very interesting, at one zone of his brain there is an abnormal extesnsion, to which his supporters claim was the cause for him to be a genius. However, an abnormal extension of any organ in our bodies is just that, an abnormality.
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brain abnormalities are all based on generic symmetry
all extremely smart people have something dissimilar from every other very smart person your not selling socialism as a brain function
one part being lightly larger than another is not "abnormal" it is "normal"
& the application of "retard" is used to infer a deficiency
to retard something is to slow it down
modern science shows learning speeds differ .... = subjective opinion ...

if i was to assume you to be a smart person
i would clearly interpret your post to be pointed towards a trolling nature.
but you honestly believe what your saying ?

maybe you need to define your words a little more & do some more reading around what others said Einstein said
soo much of it is surrounded in mystery because soo many did not want others to get an upper hand in such advanced ideas
your just poking at the surface of a pond with a stick

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Bells · Dec 17, 2021

Luchito said: ↑

What more proof that the reports of his teachers and he cataloguing himself as a retarded. (See above Einstein's quote wrote by James Franck.
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He never once catalogued himself as "retarded".

What you are doing is a direct misrepresentation of even your own quotes. The only issue he had was with early speech, that some considered slow..

In the recollections of the family recorded by Einstein’s younger sister, Maja, in 1924, Albert appears as a calm, dreamy, slow, but self-assured and determined child. Another three decades later, Einstein himself told his biographer, Carl Seelig, that “my parents were worried because I started to talk comparatively late, and they consulted a doctor because of it.”

he grandparents, visiting two-year-old Albert, did not observe any developmental particularities and, in a letter to other family members, expressed enthusiasm about the grandson's good behavior and “drollige Einfälle” (funny or droll ideas or vagaries). Yet the reputed handicap of late talking became part of the family legend and is confirmed by Maja. The same family legend, though, reports that, at the age of 2 ½ years, when his newborn sister (a Mädle) was shown to the boy, Albert, obviously expecting a toy to play with, could already verbalize his disappointment: “But where are its wheels (Rädle)?” Might one assume that the “comparatively late” talking reflects the anxiety of an overambitious mother rather than the child actually having an identifiable problem?

As a matter of fact, the boy was, and remained, a reluctant talker for quite some years, and, until the age of about seven, used to repeat his sentences to himself softly, a habit which contributed to the impression he might be somewhat dull.

After one year of homeschooling, Albert was sent to primary school, entering second grade already at age 6 ½. He may not easily have accommodated himself to the school’s expected mindless obedience and discipline aimed at instilling authoritarian civic virtues. Unable – or unwilling - to provide quick automatic responses, the boy was considered only moderately talented by his teachers. Yet at the end of his first school year his mother could proudly relate that Albert's report card was splendid and his second term marks again put him at the top of his class. If the stigma of the "bright under-achiever" - "The Einstein Factor" - had been justified at any time, now it was no more the case. The fact that, at the age of 9 ½, Albert was accepted to the competitive Luitpold-Gymnasium, disproves any observable learning disabilities. Had his grades in primary school not been above average, his entrance into the Gymnasium would not have been possible.

While the social milieu of his Gymnasium class, as well as the subject matter, were significantly more sophisticated and challenging than at the primary school, the teaching style continued to resemble the style Albert had despised already during his first school years. Learning facts and texts by rote was highly prized, while independent and creative thinking was perceived as undermining the teacher's respect. As it is the case with most pupils, Albert did not take the same interest in all subjects, but did advance well in general; in particular he advanced in subjects he favored even doing so far beyond his age.

His teachers didn't think he would amount to much because he did not participate much in class. The reason he did not participate much in class was because it was well known that he despised the way he was taught and he did not agree with what he was being taught, as he was interested in particular subjects and not at all in others.

So I'd suggest you stop lying.

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billvon · Dec 17, 2021

Bells said: ↑

So I'd suggest you stop lying.
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But then what would he post?

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Luchito · Dec 17, 2021

RainbowSingularity said: ↑

have you watched the drama documentary ?
its very disturbing
very sad to see such an amazing mind be destroyed by illness
i was almost crying at the end
crying on the inside
i felt soo sad & depressed at the end of the docu-drama.

the subnarative suggested frank had alternative thoughts around some things
& was attempting to represent Einstein rather than just cold quote him
there were documented arguments between them about this very issue i believe.

Einstien was always half way between humble & shocked at the wider more ignorant world
how he expressed himself is generally fairly modestly & always through a different filter

i wonder if you have people confused ?
maybe you have been reading some fringe material rather than reading the majority of information

https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/style/longterm/books/chap1/einstein.htm

https://www.nytimes.com/1999/06/18/us/so-is-this-why-einstein-was-so-brilliant.html

https://www.edubloxtutor.com/einstein-learning-disability/

https://www.massey.ac.nz/massey/abo...cle_uuid=0EDA8F75-96BF-57FE-AC7B-A616634B277A

https://www.wagingpeace.org/albert-einstein-scientist-and-pacifist/

https://www.iol.co.za/mercury/news/world/einsteins-child-was-retarded-claim-14074

i cant see any legitimate scholarly people or organizations making any such claim to a quote from Einstein

it all appears to be environmentally sourced as a back story around subjective opinions of others OF his childhood in a specific time

why mix 2 drastically different things together while not providing any proof of either

i have provided plenty of references to other people making subjective opinions of what THEY think other people long dead before them
possibly MIGHT have thought about Einstein

come on !
your long since finished flogging of a dead horse, is now you dragging a piece of rotting meat behind you & calling it a lively breeding pair of quality stock animals

LoL !
now your trolling !

brain abnormalities are all based on generic symmetry
all extremely smart people have something dissimilar from every other very smart person your not selling socialism as a brain function
one part being lightly larger than another is not "abnormal" it is "normal"
& the application of "retard" is used to infer a deficiency
to retard something is to slow it down
modern science shows learning speeds differ .... = subjective opinion ...

if i was to assume you to be a smart person
i would clearly interpret your post to be pointed towards a trolling nature.
but you honestly believe what your saying ?

maybe you need to define your words a little more & do some more reading around what others said Einstein said
soo much of it is surrounded in mystery because soo many did not want others to get an upper hand in such advanced ideas
your just poking at the surface of a pond with a stick
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Excellent.

But the topic here -even when Einstein has become the central figure- is a theory based on archetypes. One of the characteristics of individuals with mental delay is that they can be good with a sole task. You ask them to do two tasks while at work and they fail or take longer than average... much much much longer.

While he was very outstanding with the science, on the other hand he was a zero at the left with the rest of subjects at school. And the reason was not lack of interest in the other subjects but simply because he wasn't able to remember them well enough. The same happened to him about his personal care. Same Einstein said about it: "You are quite right about my bad memory for personal things. It'sreally quite astounding. Something for phychoanalysts... if there really are such people".

I think people are idolyzing Einstein when he was in reality a man like everyone and that he was born retarded and invented theories which at the end it results those are good for nothing.

You have no idea of what Einstein was when a child. To start he was nine years old already and he wasn't able to speak fluently. The links saying tree years of age for him to start speaking are also false. He was practically mute up to four years old. Once, his grandmother heard him say one complete sentence when he was three years old, but such is typical with children with mental delay, to pronounce one phrase and later just to become Mr. ta ta for more years. I have a son with mental delay and I know what I'm talking about.

When Einstein was receiving honours, his sister almost laughing, commenting that that person who is now honored was a boy who always used to hit hard her head with violence. Again, typical characteristic of children with mental problems.

After his divorce his son turned nuts and was taken to a mental institution. There were speculations that his son Eduard probably inherited schizophrenia. Point is that because his father's divorce or a bad romance of his, Eduard received the visit of his father, who looking for giving him consolation told him that women are a delightful necessity and that could be fatal to make them a main concentration. It is reasonable that Einstein tried hard to hide the situation of his son, and he always responded that Eduard's illness was mild. Eduard spend 20 years in the mental institution.

There are many things the current articles about Einstein won't tell you in order to keep the appearance that he was perhaps "the perfect idol", but in reality around all his life, when you start to know more about him, there are so much corruption, that it appears to me his family invested lots of money to make the retarded into a genius.

What about others like him who also were successful in life? It can be mathematicians, painters, music players, even political leaders, one of them, Mussolini. All of them with the same background which identify them as "of the same class". A kind of retardation which will stay with them no matter how old age they reach. In many cases, mental delay practically vanishes when people reach over 30 years of age, but in other people will stay all their lives. The reasons are many, could be by inheritance, a chromosome abnormality, and more.

In this case, the smoke coming from Einstein's life can guide you to conclude that he wasn't a genius but on the contrary he was just a mental delay person who's imaginations turned the amphitheater of science into a circus. Ararecase in history but it happened.

Returning back to your idea of finding another Einstein, my advice is for you to look for him at any school with Special Education program, you won't fail, surely that is the place where you will find "Baby Einstein" "Child Einstein" "Teenager Einstein".

And perhaps you also will find "Baby Mozart" "Child Mozart" "Teenager Mozart".

Luchito · Dec 17, 2021

Bells said: ↑

He never once catalogued himself as "retarded".

What you are doing is a direct misrepresentation of even your own quotes. The only issue he had was with early speech, that some considered slow..

In the recollections of the family recorded by Einstein’s younger sister, Maja, in 1924, Albert appears as a calm, dreamy, slow, but self-assured and determined child. Another three decades later, Einstein himself told his biographer, Carl Seelig, that “my parents were worried because I started to talk comparatively late, and they consulted a doctor because of it.”

he grandparents, visiting two-year-old Albert, did not observe any developmental particularities and, in a letter to other family members, expressed enthusiasm about the grandson's good behavior and “drollige Einfälle” (funny or droll ideas or vagaries). Yet the reputed handicap of late talking became part of the family legend and is confirmed by Maja. The same family legend, though, reports that, at the age of 2 ½ years, when his newborn sister (a Mädle) was shown to the boy, Albert, obviously expecting a toy to play with, could already verbalize his disappointment: “But where are its wheels (Rädle)?” Might one assume that the “comparatively late” talking reflects the anxiety of an overambitious mother rather than the child actually having an identifiable problem?

As a matter of fact, the boy was, and remained, a reluctant talker for quite some years, and, until the age of about seven, used to repeat his sentences to himself softly, a habit which contributed to the impression he might be somewhat dull.

After one year of homeschooling, Albert was sent to primary school, entering second grade already at age 6 ½. He may not easily have accommodated himself to the school’s expected mindless obedience and discipline aimed at instilling authoritarian civic virtues. Unable – or unwilling - to provide quick automatic responses, the boy was considered only moderately talented by his teachers. Yet at the end of his first school year his mother could proudly relate that Albert's report card was splendid and his second term marks again put him at the top of his class. If the stigma of the "bright under-achiever" - "The Einstein Factor" - had been justified at any time, now it was no more the case. The fact that, at the age of 9 ½, Albert was accepted to the competitive Luitpold-Gymnasium, disproves any observable learning disabilities. Had his grades in primary school not been above average, his entrance into the Gymnasium would not have been possible.

While the social milieu of his Gymnasium class, as well as the subject matter, were significantly more sophisticated and challenging than at the primary school, the teaching style continued to resemble the style Albert had despised already during his first school years. Learning facts and texts by rote was highly prized, while independent and creative thinking was perceived as undermining the teacher's respect. As it is the case with most pupils, Albert did not take the same interest in all subjects, but did advance well in general; in particular he advanced in subjects he favored even doing so far beyond his age.

His teachers didn't think he would amount to much because he did not participate much in class. The reason he did not participate much in class was because it was well known that he despised the way he was taught and he did not agree with what he was being taught, as he was interested in particular subjects and not at all in others.

So I'd suggest you stop lying.
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https://www.wgtn.ac.nz/scps/about/staff/pdf/Young_Einstein.pdf

Though quiet, young Albert had a temper. A lady violin teacher was attacked with a chair, never to reappear. Maja herself was subject to his violent tantrums, once having a large bowling ball thrown at her; another time she was hit in the head with a child’s hoe. She remarks ruefully ‘... a sound skull is needed to be the sister of a thinker’. The temper tantrums disappeared during his early school years (he entered school at 7

DaveC426913 · Dec 17, 2021

Luchito said: ↑

I think people are idolyzing Einstein when he was in reality a man like everyone and that he was born retarded and invented theories which at the end it results those are good for nothing.

When Einstein was receiving honours, his sister almost laughing, commenting that that person who is now honored was a boy who always used to hit hard her head with violence. Again, typical characteristic of children with mental problems.

There are many things the current articles about Einstein won't tell you in order to keep the appearance that he was perhaps "the perfect idol", but in reality around all his life, when you start to know more about him, there are so much corruption, that it appears to me his family invested lots of money to make the retarded into a genius.
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Pleas defend these claims with references.

Kristoffer · Dec 17, 2021

Just put Luchito on ignore. Let the troll scream into the void.

DaveC426913 · Dec 18, 2021

Kristoffer said: ↑

Just put Luchito on ignore. Let the troll scream into the void.
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I do have him on ignore. We we also have a duty to the forum to prune back the tendrils of misinformation.

Bells · Dec 18, 2021

Mod Note

Luchito said: ↑

https://www.wgtn.ac.nz/scps/about/staff/pdf/Young_Einstein.pdf

Though quiet, young Albert had a temper. A lady violin teacher was attacked with a chair, never to reappear. Maja herself was subject to his violent tantrums, once having a large bowling ball thrown at her; another time she was hit in the head with a child’s hoe. She remarks ruefully ‘... a sound skull is needed to be the sister of a thinker’. The temper tantrums disappeared during his early school years (he entered school at 7
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Nothing you have posted supports your claims that he was "retarded".

At all. Keep it up and you will receive another infraction.

Luchito · Dec 18, 2021

Bells said: ↑

Mod Note

Nothing you have posted supports your claims that he was "retarded".

At all. Keep it up and you will receive another infraction.
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Got it.

No more mention about that guy, if that is what makes you happy.

RainbowSingularity · Dec 18, 2021

what ever happens to personality's of country's & its people ?

Luchito said: ↑

Got it.

No more mention about that guy, if that is what makes you happy.
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i can read between the lines & read you laughing through your keyboard as you type this

but what are you achieving ?

what is your point ?

you have not posted any corroborating data to support your claims

Kimani · Mar 17, 2023

Dave’s really going to be pissed now cus I got my foot in the door of Montgomery county public schools for chance to do field testing

Good Afternoon Mr. Shorter,

We spoke on the phone the other day as you inquired about the possibility of conducting research at [deleted]. As I mentioned on the phone, all research requests must go through the Applied Research Unit within the Office of Shared Accountability. I directed you to the [deleted] website for the request application. If you have any other questions, please refer to the contacts that are cited within that application process.

Thank you, [personally identifying information deleted by moderator]

Kimani · Mar 17, 2023

I would recommend you reach out to [personally identifying information deleted by moderator], for further details

[personally identifying information deleted by moderator]

I’m basically just asking you if it’s ok on your end since it’s already ok with paint branch

Cus [personally identifying information deleted by moderator] the secretary has Ok’d all my work

Sent from my iPhone

Hello Mr. Shorter,

No, I have not seen your other emails. I was forwarded the email you sent to [personally identifying information deleted by moderator] that included your resume. If you are interested in a position at [deleted], you can use the job search function, I mentioned previously. Under the organization box, you can change All to High Schools, and then select which high schools you are interested in.

All of our applications are done through our website, and again, all of our available jobs are posted there.

[personally identifying information deleted by moderator]

Did you see the other emails I sent about what I’m trying to do at paint branch

I need to be in a position at paint branch specifically cus I already know people there who have been shown my work [personally identifying information deleted by moderator] the secretary likes my test

Kimani · Feb 10, 2022

Dave’s going to come in here and see this page and start pulling his hair out

DaveC426913 · Feb 10, 2022

You should be proud of your tenacity, and I don't really want to discourage that, but I think you might want to read those responses - such as they are - with an objective eye.

"I would recommend you reach out to..."
"No, I have not seen your other emails."
"... use the job search function ..."
"... all research requests must go through ..."
"... I directed you to ..."
"... please refer to ..."

These are all saying the exact same thing. They're all saying "go away".

Pro-tip: if you're really desperate for the attentions of a particular forum member, you can use the "@" tag, like this: @ DaveC426913. This will send an alert to the member so that you don't spend sleepless hours smashing the refresh button to see if anyone's reading.

Kimani · Mar 17, 2023

This [personally identifying information deleted by moderator] secretary woman already forwarded my work to counselors at the school back in the fall

I can use her as a reference and [personally identifying information deleted by moderator] has given me permission to submit a proposal after talking with her and emailing her

because why ? Because I can use [personally identifying information deleted by moderator] and
[personally identifying information deleted by moderator] as references

never mind the fact that [personally identifying information deleted by moderator] works at a group home and was involved himself in the validity testing plan

Kimani · Mar 17, 2023

That’s what I
Meant by she likes my work she spoke with me and took the time to shoot emails of it to people there

how do you think I got anywhere with school without having contacts there

got anywhere with [personally identifying information deleted by moderator] or research invitation from [personally identifying information deleted by moderator]

I’m not locked out of this school

Kimani · Mar 17, 2023

Now you’re really going to start pulling your hair out cus I’m going to post these conversations with [personally identifying information deleted by moderator] the group home supervisor from few years ago

Are you licensed qualified to give personality tests or just field testing ?

I could use some help with the field testing

I have done data collection for plan and behavior goals

I'm sure I could implement a personality test.

Will have to finish building that form

really appreciate it. [personally identifying information deleted by moderator] wants to use it

I have done field testing for the threshold score but not a big sample size not enough testing for him

Kimani · Mar 17, 2023

Mr. Shorter,
You can apply to be a counselor as directed by [personally identifying information deleted by moderator], however, if you want to conduct research, you would still need to go through the external research process. As I explained on the phone, even our current [deleted] employees who want to conduct research for their dissertation must also go through this process.
[personally identifying information deleted by moderator]

DaveC426913 · Feb 11, 2022

Have you gotten their consent to publish these email exchanges? You might be in violation of their privacy rights.
At the very least, it's unprofessional of you and, were they ever to come across these posts, you might find it impacts your relationships with them.

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