Presidential predictions for 2024?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Seattle, Dec 10, 2022.

  1. ThazzarBaal Registered Senior Member

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    I'll suggest you are either too lazy to cite your sources or being stubborn. Either way, the ball is in your court to provide the links given you made the claims.
     
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  3. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Believe whatever you like. I gave you the quotes. You can search them if you like. If you prefer ignorance, that's fine too. I won't do your work for you.
     
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  5. ThazzarBaal Registered Senior Member

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    I prefer accuracy.
     
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  7. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Trump incited the 6 Jan attempted insurrection and riot at the Capitol. There's been a whole congressional committee hearing evidence for months linking Trump to that. An indictment should be coming.

    Trump wants to be a strong-man dictator. Ever since he lost the last Presidential election - despite his attempts to "find enough votes" in places like Georgia - he has been travelling around denying that he lost and making the false claim that the election was "stolen" from him. This, despite multiple investigations that have found no evidence of widespread fraud in the election, and certainly insufficient wrongdoing to swing the election enough to affect the result.

    Besides that, Trump appears to have engaged in various kinds of financial fraud. And he has just had to pay out to a woman who accused him of raping her, with the court finding that he sexually assaulted her. It looks like he might now have to pay her more, for various libels he made after the conclusion of that case.

    More indictments are most likely coming, down the line, for Trump.
     
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  8. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Then by all means, do the research necessary for any desired degree of accuracy.
     
  9. ThazzarBaal Registered Senior Member

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    Hitchens razor - is that the one? Burden of proof falls on the one making the claim. You made a claim. I asked you to provide your source. You declined and told me to look it up on Google. That was you wasn't it? Maybe I'm mistaken.
     
  10. parmalee peripatetic artisan Valued Senior Member

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    Jesus Christ.

    The quote: "People have been treated unconstitutionally..."

    The source: Donald J. Trump

    Not sure what the difficulty is here.
     
  11. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    My source is Donald Trump. That is what he said, so he is the source.

    Again, if you want to do more research, feel free to do so. It took me about 30 seconds to find those quotes, and you have already wasted several minutes asking me to do your work for you. I will not. Whether you remain ignorant on that topic or not is entirely up to you.
     
  12. ThazzarBaal Registered Senior Member

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    I couldn't call it. You'll need to ask the claimer why they're unable to cite their sources.
     
  13. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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  14. ThazzarBaal Registered Senior Member

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    What I've noticed is intentional misleading from media sources in an attempt to sway public opinion. Out of context clips attached to strings of text meant to mislead the readers or onlookers.

    Have the American people been wronged?

    Yes

    Did Trump financially support people who defended the events in Washington?

    Apparently

    Was Trump honest about this?

    Apparently

    Was he directly involved or did he directly defend what happened in Washington?

    No

    He did state that he would get to the bottom of it, however.

    Why?

    Because the American people have been wronged.

    I needed you to provide your sources so I could verify what you were referring to. Otherwise, I may have been mistaken about the reference. . Thank you for the citation.

    I read through the CNN article. I'm familiar with CNN. The others I am not.

    Now you know why.
     
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  15. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    If anyone wants to be President, this is the year to run it seems. Good God what terrible choices, DeSantis, Trump or Biden!

    If one minimally competent person, of either party, ran it would be their job for the taking.
     
  16. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Perhaps Buttigieg will run. But I doubt it; he's probably too smart for that.
     
  17. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    That's one possible reason.

    Another possible reason is that he is using the strategy that OJ Simpson used during his trial. He did not kill his wife, he maintained, and insisted that prosecutors not go after him since his wife had been wronged, and they should spend their time searching for the killer instead. It turned out to be an only marginally successful strategy, since he was later found liable for her death.
     
  18. Neddy Bate Valued Senior Member

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    So Thazz likes Trump, and is also acting completely oblivious to Trump's support for the Jan 6 insurrectionists. I am not surprised at all.

    In my post #58 I said, "They are feckless and shameless enough to no longer be concerned about the embarrassment and disgrace of his attempted coup. That lasted about one day for them, and even then was kept mostly behind the scenes."
     
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  19. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    There are several alternatives - all of which have been tried.

    It was the other guys, not us! "These are NOT Trump supporters - Antifa THUGS" (under a picture of Jan 6th rioters) - from Trump supporters via Twitter

    They were just tourists; the police helped them get in for a tour! They were "People in an orderly fashion staying between the stanchions and ropes taking videos and pictures. . . you would actually think it was a normal tourist visit.” (Rep. Andrew Clyde) "The police opened the fucking gates" (Trump supporters via Twitter)

    It was really no big deal; why is everyone making such a big deal about it? "My fellow Republicans wanted me to lie. They wanted me to say the 2020 election was stolen, the attack of January 6th wasn't a big deal, and Donald Trump wasn't dangerous." - Liz Cheney
     
  20. Neddy Bate Valued Senior Member

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    If they want to claim the Jan 6 crowd was Antifa posing as traitorous Trump supporters just to make the Republicans look bad, then that makes them look even more inept and unqualified than ever before. Are we to believe Antifa tricked all the republicans that they were Trump supporters simply by buying Proud Boys uniforms, Trump flags, Confederate flags, gaining weight and growing out their beards?

    Is that really enough to fool Trump, his family members, and multiple cronies into give speeches on the very day, Jan 6 Washington DC, encouraging the "false" Trump supporters to attack the capitol as if they were the real Trump supporters? As opposed to the real supporters who supposedly did not actually turn up that day because they thought, hey, I like his hair aerodynamic hair-do, but I'm not going to prison for him, fuck that? And then we are supposed to say, well, the REAL Trumps supporters stayed away in droves, but the fake ones fooled them all, just like the fake pandemic and fake vaccinations, so let's re-elect the inept failures who had no clue and encouraged the very plot that makes them look like fools?

    Oh, and of course the old "double down". They say they would pardon the insurrectionists now, even though they might be are Antifa? Nothing says "national security" like that level of incompetence.
     
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  21. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    Nobody. Everyone loses. The whole system is a trainwreck.
     
  22. ThazzarBaal Registered Senior Member

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    Oblivious? No ... Clip, context, among other things such dressing a part in the name of, but ... I never noticed direct support. I noticed a statement about the American people being done wrong, a group claiming to be in support of Trump and his acknowledgement of having supported *people*who supported this group, financially. None of this admits direct support, nor support at all. It may imply when utilized to imply, but it doesn't imply support in a more accurate context
     
  23. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    He doesn't need to interact with anyone directly, I believe the term is stochastic terrorism. His supporters know what is being asked, and offers of pardons prove that they acted out his wishes.



    "Shortly after hundreds of rioters at the Capitol started chanting “Hang Mike Pence!” on Jan. 6, 2021, the White House chief of staff, Mark Meadows, left the dining room off the Oval Office, walked into his own office and told colleagues that President Donald J. Trump was complaining that the vice president was being whisked to safety.

    Mr. Meadows, according to an account provided to the House committee investigating Jan. 6, then told the colleagues that Mr. Trump had said something to the effect of, maybe Mr. Pence should be hanged."

    May 25, 2022 New York Times article By Maggie Haberman and Luke Broadwater
     

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