Write4U's stream of consciousness

Discussion in 'Pseudoscience' started by Write4U, Dec 28, 2023.

  1. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    Good point.

    But demonstrandum - it’s a gerund, I think.
     
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  3. Pinball1970 Valued Senior Member

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    Noted with thanks!
     
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  5. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    And what exactly did you specifically offer in regards to STEM other than a "check-it-out" ?

    Check out what from this?

    What Is STEM and Why Is It Important?
    • STEM consists of the natural sciences, math, engineering, and technology-related fields.
    • Most STEM jobs are in high demand but suffer from a lack of qualified candidates.
    • STEM is necessary for growing the economy and staying globally competitive.
    https://www.bestcolleges.com/blog/what-is-stem/#
     
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  7. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Wow! Latin no less. Impressive! I had hoped you could speak Dutch.

    And what exactly has been demonstrated?

    And why would I start pasting Feynman diagrams? You are projecting your prejudices by making presumptive errors.

    And what is wrong with gerunds?
    And we're back to semantics, never substance!


    I am beginning to suspect that it is you who does not understand me. Why don't you ask me to clarify when the post seems unclear?
     
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  8. Pinball1970 Valued Senior Member

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    Yeah I understand absolutely fine.

    I will repeat.

    "I suggest you go back over previous conversations about where I offered information on STEM."
     
  9. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Evolutionary effects of radiation on both Prokaryotic and Eukaryotic cells.

    Karyotype Aberrations in Action: The Evolution of Cancer Genomes and the Tumor Microenvironment
    Nicolaas C. Baudoin1,2,* and Mathew Bloomfield2,*
    Horst Zitzelsberger, Academic Editor
    more ......
    more.....
    more ..... https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8068843/

    A major cause of cancer is due to radiation damage to the cell. So what makes one cell resistant and another cell vulnerable to genetic damage?
     
  10. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    And inevitably we return to microtubules'

    Disruption of cytoplasmic microtubules by ultraviolet radiation
    G B Zamansky1, B A Perrino, I N Chou
    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1676000/#

    And does that suggest neural network data transmission redundancy?
     
  11. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Continuing the update:

    Quantitative characterization of steady states for systems of microtubules: A stochastic agent-based modeling approach
    • Sayandeepa Raha . DOI:https://doi.org/10.1016/j.bpj.2023.11.1694
    https://www.cell.com/biophysj/abstract/S0006-3495(23)02394-9
     
  12. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    It does nothing of the kind. As I pointed out before, "patterns" are not things that can "self-organise".
    Yes. The answer is that it makes quantitative, testable predictions about those phenomena.
    Physical objects are made of matter.
    To make it a physical object? Is a brick a physical object? Is it round?

    What do you think?
    The manufacturing process.
    Word salad nonsense. Why do you pretend to talk about things you clearly don't understand at all?
    You are wrong, as usual.

    Fields are not even something that can be detected, directly. Their existence has to be inferred, and it can only be inferred with reference to some conceptual model or other.
    A quantum is simply a specified amount of something. It's not a mystery. We've told you the definition before. You can put a quantum of sugar into your coffee, for instance. US currency is quantised, in that the smallest available coin is the 1 cent coin. You can't have half a cent, or 2.7 cents (in physical currency).
    You used the word "knows" in a way that doesn't make sense, there. An electron doesn't "know" anything, for example.
    Where?
    There's no such thing.
    That's circular. "Maths are the symbolisation of maths" doesn't work. Try again.
    Do you not understand that I don't care at all about what you like or don't like, when it comes to this sort of thing? Your opinions and endorsements are virtually worthless on all of this stuff.
    So, you agree that I am correct. There is no "universal equation" at this time, Tegmark's wishful thinking (or yours) notwithstanding.
    What do you mean by "used"? There was no life that could reason about the Fibonacci sequence prior to man appearing on the scene.
    "Mathematical chemistry" is not a form of communication that exists in bacteria. Stop making stuff up.
    Mathematical functions can't control anything physical, because they are conceptual.

    What is it that you don't understand about this?

    You have tried repeatedly and failed to assert your way out of the problem. You can't provide a single example of a mathematical function ever doing anything to a physical system. And yet, you continue to make this silly assertion, over and over. Why? Don't you think it's time to give up on this nonsense?

    Yes. The problem is that, every time you express your perspective, you only manage to come out with error piled on error, at best, or just plain nonsensical word salad at worst.

    Why don't you try to learn something about science, instead?
     
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  13. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    No. It was a state of minimum entropy, not maximum entropy.
    Wrong again.
    And again.
    And again. Mathematical processes have no consciousness.
    Who knows? Certainly you have given no reason to suppose that this is the case. Moreover, mathematical universes are hypothetical entities that don't make much sense.
    Er... okay.
    And there may not be, as I'm sure you'll agree.
    Multiple problems here:
    • The "singularity" is a conjecture. One that is very probably wrong.
    • Energy is not "stuff" that can "inflate". In fact, it's not stuff at all.
    • Abstract values cannot become inhabited.
    • Fractal patterns do not "self-order".
    • In fact, no mathematical thing "self-orders".
    • Spacetime geometry is a concept, not a physical thing. No physical universe can exist inside a spacetime geometry.
    All you're saying here is that the earth exists and it has life on it. You can dispense with the pointless word fluff.
    Why should we consider this?
    Nobody cares about what you like, Write4U.
    In what sense is it "objective"?
     
  14. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Well, I certainly keep throwing in explanations, here and there. Yet you never respond or learn anything, despite your claim that you want to know why it's nonsense that you're spouting.

    Why is that, Write4U?
    None of the science you quote indicates that your conclusions have some foundation in science.
    Because, for some reason, you're blind to the many explanations that people have kindly provided, in an effort to help you.
     
  15. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    An interesting article explains the advantage of consciousness over and above the ability of an organism to react unconsciously to stimulus.

    I think this is an important observation and deductive reasoning.

    What is consciousness for?
    Abstract
    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0732118X15300039#

    Consciousness affords the organism an ability to voluntarily "choose" between actions, rather than respond in a purely involuntary reactive fashion.

    The New York Declaration on Animal Consciousness
    https://sites.google.com/nyu.edu/nydeclaration/declaration
     
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  16. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Is there not such a thing as unconscious volition? For example, as I am typing these words and sentences I am conscious of and paying attention to what they are saying. I am at the semantic level consciously. But at the same time my hands are typing on my keyboard the lettered keys forming these words. Here at the spelling level I am unconscious of doing all this and yet I am still doing it! Presumably there is volition controlling the keystrokes of my fingers and their precise sequence, just as there is volition behind my saying something in my sentences. Only in this case it seems to be an unconscious volition of typing.

    Another instance of unconscious volition is the muscle movements being made in our face and mouth and throat as we are speaking. Without the slightest awareness of these movements and sounds being formed and precisely coordinated with each other, I am only conscious of the statements and thoughts I am expressing thru those movements. There is volition there. Even intelligent volition. But it is unconscious.

    The question then is would being conscious of our typing or of making sounds with our mouth and throat be as nearly as efficient as doing it unconsciously? I tend to think not. If we had to think about every key we need to press with our fingers and what keystroke comes next it would be so slow and full of errors we'd probably give up. If I had to consciously choose which muscles to contract in my face and throat to make the right sounds forming the words I am speaking, i'd probably be speaking very slow and sloppily. So conscious volition seems to be a hindrance when it comes to motor movements of our body. Such are performed much more quickly and accurately when performed habitually by unconscious volition. Why then the need for ANY conscious volition?
     
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  17. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Is that not asking if a thermometer has volition?

    AFAIK, homeostatsis is almost totally autonomous and independent of conscious monitoring.
    The only connection to conscious perception is a warning that something is wrong and manifests itself as experiential warmth, coldness, pain, nausea, discomfort.
    Those are the only productive physical experiences needed for keeping track of the body's electrochemical balance and knowing that something is wrong.
    But your subconscious homeostatic (area) of the brain keeps good care of your body, asleep, or even under anesthesia!

    I trust Stuart Hammeroff (practicing anesthesiologist) to know the mathematics of anesthesia, which, according to Hameroff has the same relative effect on all living organisms.

    Anesthetics have the same effects on plants as they have on animals and humans
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/12/171211090736.htm#

    This is a remarkable "common denominator" in nature and lends itself to a wide range of application in the natural world.
     
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  18. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Only if we define volition as merely causing something to occur. If that were true then reflexes, like the jerk of your leg when the doctor taps your knee or a sneeze, would also be volition. For me volition is purposely driven and intelligently controlled action of any sort, either conscious or unconscious. So we say it is I who am still typing on my keyboard even if I am not aware of myself doing it. It isn't a series of involuntary reflexes of the muscles in our hands. There is a fine line and a matter of degrees separating consciousness and unconsciousness iow. We can switch from manual mode to automatic mode with many actions, even driving,
     
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  19. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    I believe you may be missing an intermediate level of "delegated and focused" consciousness.

    The brain is capable of multitasking, but at cost of efficiency in other areas that require concentration on a particular activity.
    "Selective attention"

    That seems to be a volitional activity.

    Selective Attention | Definition & Examples
    Frequently Asked Questions
    https://study.com/learn/lesson/selective-attention-theory-examples.html#
     
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  20. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Yes...we can volitionally block from our senses any enviromental stimuli. Sights and sounds and smells. It is still being perceived. but it is unconscious. Or at least partially so and happening unnoticeably in the background, There is unconscious perception just as there is unconscious volition, Our unconscious is as much a part of ourselves as our consciousness is.

    Do you know how many times you shift positions while asleep every night? Many times. That entails both unconscious perception, of a certain discomfort, and unconscious volition, of the purposive action taken to alleviate it. We are not far away from being zombies it seems!
     
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  21. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Let's put it this way. We started as zombies and evolved into humans.
    Are these creatures intelligently conscious? You bet!

    I have a feeling that Cephalopoda (starting as a zombie slug) evolved into a high state of consciousness in a very dangerous deep-ocean environment. Just consider the size of a Colossal squid's eye and its light gathering abilities.

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    Colossal squid eyes can grow to at least 27 centimetres in diameter © Natalie Jean/Shutterstock.com
    https://www.nhm.ac.uk/discover/amazing-eyes-vision-champions.html

    Imagine the complex brain and neural system required to process at this level of a near-total dark environment.
    Are these creatures intelligently conscious? You bet.
     
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  22. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    All animals with sophisticated eyes and ears and tactile systems and brains must be experiencing qualia like color, sounds, pain, tastes, smells, fear, hunger, sickness, tiredness, sadness, joy, desire, etc. So absolutely they are conscious. Anyone who has owned a dog or cat knows this at heart. The higher animals are not zombies.
     
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  23. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    And many animals are underestimated n their survival skills.

    There is a curious condition in cephalopods, that requires some study of their adaption to an alien dark world. They're color-blind!

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    Octopuses are famous for rapidly changing color to blend in with their surroundings. (Image credit: Shutterstock)
    https://www.livescience.com/how-do-octopuses-change-color

    So how do cephalopods process color perception under extreme low light?
    It is a most remarkable ability enabled by light-sensitive neurons in their skin. The brain is only used to trigger skin contraction and relaxation to copy the wavelengths of the substrate by touch?

    How do Octopuses Change Color?
    Here’s everything you ever wanted to know about chromatophores.
    https://oceanconservancy.org/blog/2019/10/07/octopuses-change-color/
     

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