The anti-christ will be a human clone. Check out The Intruder Bulletins: The Dark Side of Technology by Mark Antony Rossi http://vangoachbooks.com/nonfiction.html
Human clone sucks, I perfer to clone Jesus from the DNA found on Shourd of Tin or what ever it calls.
You mean you haven't seen the elephants??? Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Good Lord! Where have you been?? Mars?? They are the cutest things (granted, very large) but they have all the colors, and they prefer to fly around when the sun sets, cuz it makes them look even prettier. Very color coordinated animals.
Ariadne, Yup I was right about you, you poor thing. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Emerald did post a neat graphic of a flying elephant the last time I used that argument. Unicorns used to work then we discovered there is an animal that is technically a unicorn. Bye for now Cris
Belief system?? Forced?? Entire Existence?? Opposite?? i.e., you believe I am wrong. "Not" believing is still believing. It just means believing the opposite view. You are calling yourself an atheist. You are defining yourself as being opposed to believing in God. ("a," not and "theist," one who believes in a god) There is that death thing. Such as avoiding death? Well, not quite. An atheist actually has to accept the existence of God. Then he proceeds to try to negate it. By saying there is no God, one actually has to have an idea of what there is supposedly not one of. In other words, one has to have a very clear idea of what it is one is attempting to negate. For example, to say there is no snow, one has to know what snow is. To say that another's belief that there is no snow is false, or not sufficiently proven, also requires a knowledge of what snow is. Since you call yourself an atheist, this, prima facie, isn't accurate. I simply do not accept your claim. Do you have any proof of this? BTW, infinity does not mean "no beginning," it means "no end." [This message has been edited by tony1 (edited February 23, 2001).]
Tony1, Read back what you have written. For example let’s say you do ‘not believe’ you are dead. Using your logic you would have to say that ‘not believing’ you are dead is believing you are dead. Do you see the nonsense you have written? Definitely not. Disbelief in a proposition means that one does not believe it to be true. Not believing that something is true is not equivalent to believing that it is false; one may simply have no idea whether it is true or not. For example: If I say that I have 100 billion dollars in my bank accounts then I suspect that you would not believe me. And since you would not find my name on any lists of the richest people in the world then you would feel justified in that disbelief. You would not believe me because the claim is unlikely or not credible. You would simply disbelieve me and feel justified in requesting I show proof if I want you to believe me. However, you cannot be certain in your disbelief, because to be certain you would need proof (i.e. a view of my bank accounts). So all you say with certainty is that you do not know whether I have the money or not but that it seems unlikely (i.e. disbelief). But you would not be justified in making an opposite claim by stating a positive belief that I did not have the money (a belief that something is false), since you have no way of knowing (no evidence). No, that is not correct. I posted a message for you specifically that gave links to all the definitions of atheism with full explanations. Please take the trouble to read the links and stop trying to invent your own definitions. I am not defining myself in any such manner. I simply disbelieve the claims made for the existence of gods. The claims are simply not credible. I lack belief, that is not the same as being opposed to belief. Atheists have no belief or acceptance in the existence of gods. Why do you feel justified in saying the opposite of what has already been clearly stated and understood for many centuries? BS. This is obvious but it does not require that the object exists or any acceptance of its existence. I can easily conceive of non-existent objects. For example, I can conceive of people each with 5 heads and 10 arms. I can then proceed to disbelieve such a claim. My entire existence is composed of many things. One of the things is a lack of belief in gods. Logic commonly deals with three types of quantity – all, some or none. The word ‘entire’ implies ‘all’. Clearly my life involves some activities other than refuting religious arguments. My statement is therefore perfectly accurate. Drivel doesn’t require proof; it is self-evident. No, infinity is defined as having no limits or boundaries, e.g. has no beginning, no end, no sides, no top, no bottom, etc. [This message has been edited by Cris (edited February 24, 2001).]
Chris, Good answer regarding the alien thingy. If you don't believe in either, then when one proves to be true, you may want to reconsider the other, or so I hope that you would. Also, it may help you to view spiritual law in the same way you would view natural or physical laws. We didn't create them, we just discover them, and operate within them given free will. It seems that the earth, when we respect these laws, would maintain a balance. We get into trouble and destruction and pollution when we disrespect these laws and interfere and circumvent. Well, spiritual law is the exact same way. The consequence of sin (disrespect or circumvention of spiritual law) is like spiritual pollution, which the consequence of is death. Now just like with physical law, we have free will, but there are given consequences to our actions. Now that makes perfect sense doesn't it? ------------------ You may think I'm a nut, but I'm fastened to the strongest bolt in the universe.
Hi Lori, Please note: No H in Cris. You have an unusual perspective, but I agree that if I were to be presented with credible evidence and proof, then I should be willing to believe without too much argument. But during my 48 years I have been duped so many times that my heart is now hardened to accepting anything without independent proof. And I don’t believe I am any more gullible than the next person, but I have been adventurous in my time and have been prepared to take risks; I still retain a very open mind when viewing new possibilities. A very experienced and professional salesman can sell anything to anyone. In a very real sense I see evangelical Christianity in the same light as a powerful sales-force. Many have tried to sell me that product numerous times since I rejected Christianity in my teens, but I just do not see any credible evidence or proofs that come anywhere close to convincing me of the Christian path. I actually like that reminder… that we discover… But while I can easily recognize natural law and natural processes, I do see spiritual law as something created by mankind. There does not seem to be a need for anything other than natural law and as you say if we don’t interfere then nature tends to maintain a perfect balance. Natural processes obeying natural law can be studied and observed, but spiritual law is not natural, it is created and enforced by human political influences, a product of human imagination. It is a concept that does not exist outside of human intellect. It is true that if we fight against natural law we are doomed to fail, we must work with such laws. But spiritual law has no hold over me, and once I had rejected such a dead end concept I was able to experience true freedom. The dark clouds of imagined sin and consequent fear and guilt were vanquished forever. Take care Cris
Hi Vinnie, I believe I have tried this, I certainly remember arguing with my parents and other family members for the Christian cause. Perhaps I simply did not seek hard enough, but no, I don’t think I could have tried harder. Throughout that experience I remember an irritating doubt, a discomfort, a something that simply did not have that ring of truth that one experiences when one knows that something is right. I know we argue about logic and evidence and proofs etc, and I depend on all these things, but I also depend a great deal on instinct and intuition. As I grow older (now 48) I have found these instincts to be far more dependable than in earlier years, perhaps it is an increase in wisdom through aging. But over these last 10 years of active debates as an atheist I have never experienced that irritating doubt or discomfort I felt as a Christian. All my analytical skills tell me that Christianity should not be believed, and all my instincts tell me that Christianity is false. I cannot any longer conceive of any eventuality that could convince me to try that experiment, that you suggest, again. That ‘letting God in’ as you call it would require me to deny my intuition and instincts that I now find so dependable, and this is before I consider my ability to reason and analyze. I believe you have significant analytical abilities of your own and I hope that one day in the next few years you will develop those instincts that I have experienced and you will come to doubt the path you have chosen. I recognize that at the present time there is no way you could conceive of that outcome yet. I wish you well and hope that you will eventually find the truth whatever it is. Take care Cris
I've read what you posted, and I respect your opinion/non-belief, or whatever you want to call it. I can also understand where you're coming from, and though I've had my doubts about Christianity, I've found no reason not to believe. But I really don't think that you should state that your opinion is the only right, reasonable thing to do, and that sooner or later we'll all come to believe that way. I dunno, that, above, just didn't seem right, or fair to me....
Ariadne, You have read far more into what I said than I intended. I cannot claim that I have the only correct solution, and I did not claim that. My post was specific to Vinnie who is at the age where I rejected Christianity after being a very forceful and unquestioning believer. I simply noticed parallels with Vinnie and myself and if he is anything like me (apologies to Vinnie for this insult) then he may indeed reac the same conclusions. And this really does not apply to anyone else, and it is not intended as condescending or arrogant - just an obervation. Take care Cris
Hi, What is your theory? Check out Conversations with Nostradamus by Dolores Cannon -the antichrist is an inventor Children of Ezekiel by Michael Lieb -talks about how technology is a tool of God The prince of the power of the air plays a mean HAARP -a misc. study on-line, suggests Tesla was/is the antichrist. Lets remember, its impossible to be the opposite of christ as christ is opposites alpha-omega and the church has gone 180 from Jesus's intent and so too must the christ to deal with it. It may be too late for you to write a story as the man in question is about a month or two away from outing himself.
Anti-Christ Just like 'Browser' said, "Go to the source, the Holy Bible!" Check out the book of Revelation, Daniel, Ezekiel, and do some 'soul searching'. (p.s) Most be "born again" to really have an understanding of the Holy Scripture! Believe on the Lord Jesus as Saviour and Lord, any other way you will be deceived. Trust Jesus!
Anti- Christ Just like 'Browser' said, "Try the Bible, go to the source"! Read through the book of Daniel, Ezekiel, and more! (p.s) You most be 'born again' to really have an understanding of the Bible and it's message to you! Trust Jesus! Any other way, and you would be deceived by the enemy! (the Devil).
Sir, Thats a nice knee jerk, blanket response to any situation- the end times is not so simple. Don't trust Jesus, The christ is not for the church to define...to trust the churchs "JESUS" is to let the church do your judging for you. Individual discernment is your only hope. Trust me, Christians don't know that the antichrist is the christ because the church would be unemployed if the truth was known...they pump out propaganda like THE OMEGA CODE to maintain this whole dualistic G vs. E scenario...its much more complicated, yet so much more simple than that. ....let the reader understand...that the Anti/christ is a misnomer.
Anti-Christ ! Hi!, 'Ada', the Church and the Word of God will forever stand for the truth of Jesus's Holy Word. And this is "Propaganda" only in the unregenerate mind. (un-saved) To what you have said; it is from the 'spirit' of the Anti-Christ (Satan) to try to create doubt and confusion onto the weak. I know where your words are coming from, it is of 'demonic-deception' and we the 'true Christians' can not and will not except the "lies of the Devil"! Jesus said to those that are in Christ and in the word of God: "You shell know the 'truth' and the 'truth' shall set you free". Free from what?, you may say., Free from the power of sin, and Satan's snares. (lies, falsehoods) We trust in only the perfect, unfailing, indestructible, Holy word of God! Not the word of lost ones, who's words are like 'quick-sand'. You have built your house on sand, (sink-hole) and great will be it's fall! Come build your house on 'bed-rock', the rock Jesus the Christ the Son of the living God! You have been long deceived by the "World, the Flesh, and the Devil! Oh ye that are in the 'spirit' of the Anti-Christ! Beware! Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
Sir, Its go time yo! You've got to be kidding me?? Why are you even visiting a science forum, better yet why is this part of a science forum?... ....dude...get a clue...I challenge you to a debate and we may as well do it here. The debate will be based on my questions to you... Will the second coming descend from the sky in Jerusalem with stigmata? How will he destroy those who destroy the earth without destroying the earth? If a demon can appear good can an angel appear bad? Think for yourself or bend over
Very good question, really. But I think the answer to that can possibly be yes. I mean, the Angel of Death is definitely one angel that I have no desire whatsoever to cross paths with. *** I started this topic, because I caught part of a program once about the Anti-Christ that I didn't pay that much attention to at the time. But one part caught my attention. It was a scene of a modern-day mother (of course, this was a little over two years ago) dragging her little boy into a temple, and the narrator was saying that the Anti-Christ would despise going to church, since it is a place of God and the such. Like I said, I didn't really pay attention to the show, but I read a fanfic lately online that dealt with the Anti-Christ, and the memory of noticing that short segment from the program resurfaced. And I started thinking about why I remembered it so vividly, seeing as how I hadn't even thought about it until I read the fanfic. I can remember how I thought it was bad that he wasn't going to church (I had thus far been raised in a highly religious family) but at the same time, understood why he wouldn't want to go to church. I would guess that having grown literally in the shadow of the church, I grew to despise being forced to go to Church ever Sunday, Tuesday, and Wednesday, and any other time my dad would decide we had to go. At the time, I was too young to really understand my dislike of going to church, something my subconcious kept to itself, but the older I got, the more I noticed. Of course, my faith in God's existence has remained, but has actually strengthened since I stopped attending church. Anyways, I read the fanfic, remembered the memory, and wondered. What exactly makes the Anti-Christ? Is s/he/it* really Satan's reincarnate, or whatever? or is the Anti-Christ just an Anit-Church? Because if that's so, then there are many of us who would fit that category. I'm still young and I'm still learning, so I know that I don't know much at all about the Anti-Christ and that there is probably much more to him/her/it that I still am not aware of. But I think that it is possible to hate the church and what it represents and still have faith in God and basic Christianity. Because, what the church preaches is what it represents, right? Well, the average church warps the Bible and reads into it too much, and therefore distorts the image of Jesus and how the basic Christian should act. So, my over-imaginative mind wondered, is the Anti-Christ really evil? Or is s/he/it just a being that is trying to bring the world to attention of the church's hypocracy? If there's anything you don't understand about what I've just typed, please tell me and I'll try to explain. Kindle *I used the s/he/it because I'm not sure if the Anti-Christ would be male, female, or even human. ^_^; I hope you understand.
The Greatest Hits: Christ and Antichrist reunite for one special night! The Antichrist. What an honor, eh? This person is basically equal to Christ, except in a diametric manner. Where Christ stands for all that is good, the Antichrist supposedly stands for all that is <i>not</i> good. There will be a scene reminiscent of The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly (last two roles to be played simultaneously by the Antichrist), with the destined High Noon staredown. Television crews the world over will record this wonderful event; the couch potato will express dismay that his program has just been interrupted to "--report that, what appears to be Jesus Christ, has squared off with none other than his fabled nemesis, the Antichrist. The legions of hell, sneering and gnashing most likely very large canines, are on the side of the Antichrist. Christ, meanwhile, has called on his numerous concourses of destroying angels, a not-so-benevolent group, to come to his side. Non-christians and atheists, prop up a chair and enjoy our commercial-free coverage. Christians ... well, regardless of the outcome, best of luck to you in your new theocracy." Now, for some cryptic trivial nonsense: Who's the forerunner, in essence John the Baptist, of these "last days"? None other than Carl Jung! With his emphasis on archetypes and anima and animus, it's no wonder that people don't realize how close the end is. The Antichrist? Ironically, basically anyone that's Christian. The Christ? Why, Ann Lee, of course. Unfortunately, she's already six feet under. It's all right, though, she keeps getting reincarnated as various religious leaders. Now, of course this was done in an entirely satirical fashion. It's intent is to show that (I think) most Christians realize that their respective beliefs are rather uneventful and that they cannot wait until the predicted day when their Christ (who's got some mighty big expectations to meet) and the Antichrist (another scapegoat) challenge one another. Hope this lightened your day. If not, then please understand that even God does not take your beliefs that seriously.<IMG SRC="images/icons/icon12.gif" HEIGHT=15 WIDTH=15 ALIGN=ABSCENTER alt="Wink">
[ serious ] Hello Ada, I like to read and explore science and astronomy on the web. "For the Heavens Declare the Glory of God", " and the Earth do show forth His handy work" (Psalms 19:1) KJ. And about the 'angels of God', they will not practice deception because they are of God's, and there is NO deception in Him! For God is Holy! The Devil and his 'angels' (demons) or 'fallen angels' and will be deceiving, pretending to be; dead folks talking , or lepricons, or gods, what ever it takes to deceive you. Satan is a LIAR and the truth is not in him! About Jesus's return, He created the world and when He comes he will rule and wrain for a 'thousand years'. And at the end of the 1000 years, the Devil who was cast into the bottomless pit at Jesus 2cd coming, will be loosed for a season, but will be again cast into the Lake of Fire, this time forever with all that is deceived of the Devil. And there will be a new Heaven and a new Earth, for the former things are passed away. The old heavens will be rolled up like a scroll, and the old Earth will be destroyed by fire! The old world will be destroyed and the New Jerusalem will come down to the New Earth and the saints of God will forever be with Jesus! Now some I hear say or preach that the Earth will be reincarnated, (made new) same planet, completely different conditions. God Himself shell live there with all His Glory! No more death, sickness, etc. Heaven and Earth completely different! Read the Bible, and ask God through His Son Jesus for a clearer understanding. Go to church of your choice, where Jesus is Lord! Any other way you will NOT fully understand because of unbelief, and could be even more confused. Jesus is our only hope! [serious] You will be DECEIVED if you do it in your own intellect!
