What's up in Heaven?

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  1. 2+2 Registered Senior Member

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    <p>Christianity is a funny religion because it is all about believing correctly,
    and then if you do you get to live in Heaven.&nbsp; But the Bible has almost nothing
    to say about what happens to you when you do beat death.&nbsp; Think about it
    though.&nbsp; If you had an infinite time to live but you were invisible and had
    no job or girlfriend, and bills to pay and vacations to look forward to AND
    children to raise.&nbsp; What's the point?</p>

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  3. daktaklakpak God is irrelevant! Registered Senior Member

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    Eternal life the worst form of punishment for a sentient mind. The birth and death of a star is just a blink in his eye. Nothing really matters.
     
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  5. 2+2 Registered Senior Member

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    <p><font size="3">It is kind of funny though when you find a true believer, who
    knows that he will sit on the right hand of God for </font><font size="5">eternity</font><font size="3">.&nbsp;
    &quot;Doing what?&quot;&nbsp; I love to ask them.</font></p>

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  7. tony1 Jesus is Lord Registered Senior Member

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    The Bible has almost nothing to say about living in heaven, because we're not going there.

    And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
    And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
    And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
    (Revelation 21:1-3, KJV).

    God is coming to live with us, not the other way around.

    Imagine now if you spent your entire life arguing against the Bible, only to find to find out everything you were arguing against wasn't even in the Bible.

    So, what are you doing on the earth now? Is your life on earth a total useless waste of time?

    What are you doing?
     
  8. 2+2 Registered Senior Member

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    <p><font size="4">Imagine now if you spent your entire life arguing against
    the Bible, only to find to find out everything you were arguing against wasn't
    even in the Bible.</font></p>
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    <p><font size="4">I haven't spent my whole life really, just many hundreds of
    hours.&nbsp; I'm arguing against invisible gods that people say can have an
    effect on life here.&nbsp; They don't exist.&nbsp; Funny though, you use a Bible
    quote to what disprove Heaven&gt;?</font></p>
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    <p><font size="4">So, what are you doing on the earth now?</font></p>
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    <p><font size="4">I'm downloading some old Roxy Music from Napster and surfing
    around.</font></p>
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    <p><font size="4">Is your life on earth a total useless waste of time?</font></p>
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    <p><font size="4">I enjoy my time immensely.</font></p>
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    <p><font size="4">What are you doing?</font></p>
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    <p><font size="4">I'm downloading some old Roxy Music from Napster and surfing
    around.</font></p>
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  9. tony1 Jesus is Lord Registered Senior Member

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    To disprove living in heaven, because what you're arguing against isn't in the Bible.

    Can you get this? It isn't in the Bible.

    You've spent hundreds of hours fighting against stuff that isn't even in the Bible.
     
  10. 2+2 Registered Senior Member

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    <font face="verdana,arial,helvetica" size="3">quote:</font><font face="verdana, arial, helvetica" size="2">
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    </font><font size="3"><i><font face="verdana, arial, helvetica">Originally
    posted by 2+2</font></i><font face="verdana, arial, helvetica"><br>
    Funny though, you use a Bible quote to what disprove Heaven?</font></font><font face="verdana, arial, helvetica" size="2">
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    </font><font face="verdana, arial, helvetica" size="3">To disprove living in
    heaven, because what you're arguing against isn't in the Bible.&nbsp; Can you
    get this? It isn't in the Bible.&nbsp; You've spent hundreds of hours fighting
    against stuff that isn't even in the Bible.</font>
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    <p><font face="verdana, arial, helvetica" size="3">I thought that you were
    getting <b>that Heaven will be here on Earth from Revelations??!!&nbsp; </b>Who
    cares where you think heaven will be&gt;&nbsp; There will be no Heaven.&nbsp;
    There is no Heaven.&nbsp; There is no God hearing your argument about where
    Heaven will be.&nbsp; I spend my time talking about Gods.&nbsp; Follow me?&nbsp;
    I haven't wasted a second.&nbsp; Just because you believe Heaven will be on
    Earth doesn't make one teensy point.&nbsp; Won't King Jesus <b>RULE </b>for a
    thousand years er somethin'?</font></p>

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  11. tony1 Jesus is Lord Registered Senior Member

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    No.
    Just saying there is no Heaven, doesn't mean there is no Heaven.
    Heaven is heaven and earth is earth.
    King Jesus RULES forever.
     
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    <p><font size="4">Heaven is heaven and earth is earth.<br>
    King Jesus RULES forever.</font></p>
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    <p><font size="4">That is another thing that cracks me up.&nbsp; True believers,
    like yerself believe that God And Jesus rule <font color="#FF0000">forever.</font>&nbsp;
    Forever is a mighty long time.&nbsp; But when one is off in a dream of power, I
    guess it is easy to throw around superlatives like omnipotent, and omniscient.&nbsp;
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  13. tony1 Jesus is Lord Registered Senior Member

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    You're complaining because I believe in God?
    You're complaining because I believe in Jesus?
    You're complaining because I believe in power?
    You're complaining because I believe in omnipotence?
    You're complaining because I believe in omniscience?

    Your dream must be the opposite, no God, no Jesus, impotence, knowing nothing.

    That is why people preach the gospel.
    There is a better way.
     
  14. 2+2 Registered Senior Member

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    <font size="4"><i>Originally posted by 2+2</i><br>
    That is another thing that cracks me up.&nbsp; True believers,<br>
    like yerself believe that God And Jesus rule forever.&nbsp;<br>
    Forever is a mighty long time.&nbsp; But when one is off in a dream of power,
    I guess it is easy to throw around superlatives like omnipotent, and
    omniscient.&nbsp;</font>
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    <font size="4">You're complaining because I believe in God?</font>
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    <p><font size="4">I am not <b>complaining </b>because you believe in God.&nbsp;
    I don't care.&nbsp; I find it funny.&nbsp; Amusing.</font></p>
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    <p><font size="4">You're complaining because I believe in Jesus?</font></p>
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    <p><font size="4">I am not <b>complaining </b>because you believe in
    Jesus.&nbsp; I don't care.&nbsp; I find it funny.&nbsp; Amusing.</font></p>
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    <p><font size="4">You're complaining because I believe in power?</font></p>
    </blockquote>
    <p><font size="4">I am not <b>complaining </b>because you believe in
    power.&nbsp; I don't care.&nbsp; I find it funny.&nbsp; Amusing.</font></p>
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    <p><font size="4">You're complaining because I believe in omnipotence?</font></p>
    </blockquote>
    <p><font size="4">I am not <b>complaining </b>because you believe in
    omnipotence.&nbsp; I don't care.&nbsp; I find it funny.&nbsp; Amusing.</font></p>
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    <p><font size="4">You're complaining because I believe in omniscience?</font></p>
    </blockquote>
    <p><font size="4">I am not <b>complaining </b>because you believe in
    omniscience.&nbsp; I don't care.&nbsp; I find it funny.&nbsp; Amusing.</font></p>
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    <p><font size="4">Your dream must be the opposite, no God, no Jesus,
    impotence, knowing nothing.</font></p>
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    <p><font size="4">Dream?&nbsp; What dream?&nbsp; You are the one having a dream
    of power.&nbsp; Wake up!!</font></p>
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    <p><font size="4">That is why people preach the gospel.<br>
    There is a better way.</font></p>
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    <p><font size="4">Really?&nbsp; I thought people preached the gospel because
    they believed in invisible beings that lived forever.<br>
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  15. tony1 Jesus is Lord Registered Senior Member

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    I repeat:
    Your dream must be the opposite, no God, no Jesus,
    impotence, knowing nothing.

    Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.
    (Ephesians 5:14, KJV).
     
  16. ilgwamh Fallen Angel Registered Senior Member

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    "There is no need to be worried by facetious people who try to make the Christian hope of "Heaven" ridiculous by saying that they do not want "to spend eternity playing harps." The answer to such people is that if they cannot understand books written for grown-ups, they should not talk about them. All the scriptural imagery (harps, crowns, gold, etc.) is, of course, a merely symbolic attempt to express the inexpressible. Musical instruments are mentioned because for many people (not all) music is the thing known in the present life which most strongly suggests ecstasy and infinity. Crowns are mentioned to suggest the fact that those who are united with God in eternity share his splendour and power and joy. Gold is mentioned to suggest the timelessness of Heaven (gold does not rust) and the preciousness of it. People who take these symbols literally might as well think that when Christ told us to be like doves, He meant that we were to lay eggs. "

    C.S. Lewis, 'Mere Christianity' page 121-122


    Vinnie
     
  17. Stretch Registered Senior Member

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    Hiya

    I suggest you guys worry more about the visible than the invisible. Enjoy the here and now. Tomorrow is a possibility. Nothing more. Now is reality. Absolutely. Enjoy the moment, do not live in enslavement beheld to an unknown aftermath.

    "He who binds to himself a joy
    Does the winged life destroy
    But he who kisses the joy as it flies
    Lives in eternity`s sunrise"

    (W.Blake-1789)

    Take care
     
  18. 2+2 Registered Senior Member

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    <p>Vinnie,&nbsp;</p>
    <p>Thanks for the reply.&nbsp; C.S. Lewis was a fine writer and thinker about
    religion.&nbsp; But personally, &quot;suggesting ecstasy and infinity,&quot; are
    a far different thing than believing in infinite life.&nbsp; Believing in magic,
    and invisible beings has been going forever.&nbsp; I live in a third world
    country and not everyone is a Christian, but everyone believes in ghosts.&nbsp;
    Two thousand years ago when this Bible story was getting off the ground,
    everyone was ignorant, and no one had any idea what was really going on
    here.&nbsp; There weren't atheists back then, because there weren't rational
    scientific explanations for<i> anything</i>.&nbsp; The Church became in our
    society, in charge of magical thinking, saying that <i>you must believe this way
    about magical thinking.</i>&nbsp; And they enforced the magical thinking
    mandate.&nbsp; They had <i>power.</i></p>
    <p>However, in the present time even country boys like myself, can have a fine
    education about the way things really are, and how we all came to be here,
    without believing in invisible beings&nbsp; Freeing oneself from magical
    thinking is a leap into the future.&nbsp; Believing in magic detracts from the
    majesty of having a life, and really blinds us to the suffering of others.&nbsp;
    And it often prevents us from making rational political decisions.</p>
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  19. Gambit Star Universal Entity Registered Senior Member

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    Hello 2+2, I believe that heaven is the next level to our existance. Heaven for christians is rather a placed created by their leader for their safety amongst the infinte posibilities of conciousness, kind of like a saftey house.
    And for all other religions they are amongst the ideas created by their faith too.

    I think the idea of hell is for the concious people on earth that make it harder for others to live in peace, such as murderers, rapist and reckless souls.
    when we cross over they are free in their own form, which is needed to be balanced by the good we create within ourselves and by the 'christian house'

    Anything we do on earth become apart of our infinte source, that why the basis of christianity is so great, it saves people from evil in the next realm, as does any calm form of religious faith.
     
  20. Q25 Registered Senior Member

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    I doubt it very much,belief in Hell doesnt stop people from comiting crimes b/c they know in the end they can REPENT accept Jesus and voila,you're forgiven and assured a place in Heaven.
    maybe thats why theres more believers in prisons than atheists,
    and the highly religious bible belt is the worst

    www.fuckthesouth.com/
     
  21. Q25 Registered Senior Member

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    well at least Muslims have those 70 virgins to look forward to,

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    but wait... once they fuck them all,do they have to marry them all?

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    and all those mothers in law to put up with,holy shit!!!!
    heaven like that would be more like hell me thinks!

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