Is this the time of God's Judgment? Judgement causes us to know ourselves, and exposes all hidden things. All things of the world will be exposed on the day of God's judgement. The day of judgement is God's great cleansing day. Our mistake is that when we think of judgement we think of punishment. But God takes no delight in punishing men. Both the ark and the flood came from God. The ark offered redemption where as the flood judged the world. The ark saved Noah, but the flood saved the world. The book of Revelation is the book of judgement that glides over the millennial kingdom, which is the 1000 years that people on this earth learn righteousness. This is the time of peace between the two judgements of the first three and one half years of tribulation and the second three and one half years called the great tribulation. Judgement is not only a burning fire. It is also the enlightening fire. Because of this light men will hide in caves and call upon the mountains and rocks to cover them. In judgement whatever is covered will be uncovered and will show the things which God has found in us. When we look at judgement we recognize who God is. To know God as Lord is to know Him through the redemption of Christ Jesus. If we don't know God as Lord, we can only know Him as God, and knowing Him only as God is quite another thing. Through judgement those not accepting him as Lord will know the terror of God, and their worship will be in a different attitude than those worshiping him as Lord. Judgement is God's work in accomplishing His plan and purpose, and is both terrible and also loving. Before the arrival of the trumpet judgements that we discussed in the writings on Revelation, Jesus was sent by his father to die on the cross; the way of personal salvation for all. The cross saves not by setting judgement aside, but on the contrary the cross itself is judgement. The judgement of the cross offers salvation. Salvation fulfills judgement, not by overcoming it, but by reaching the blood of Christ to go through it. The cross of Christ is the judgement for those who will believe. When speaking of the judgement that will be manifested by the Lord through His Branch, we see a restitution for all that has been taken from believers by the world. Isaiah 11: 4,5 4. But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked. 5. And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins and the girdle of his reigns. Gary Larrabee http://www.ourchurch.com/member/b/branch/
Garry, No since no one can tell if he even exists yet, so no one can possible know if he has any intentions to do anything. He must do since if he created the universe according to his will, then men have only done what he planned. In which case he only has himself to blame if he has mismanaged his creation. Yes the action of the warlord and vicious thug. Murder everyone that doesn’t conform. Now if he had been omnipotent he could have found a way to teach and educate those who had not understood the correct way to live. Isn’t he meant to have infinite patience, compassion, and love. Killing doesn’t seem to fit well with those claimed qualities. And is also pure mythology. Totally false in every aspect. That reads like gobbledigook and gibberish. It is not possible to condemn someone to eternal damnation and love them at the same time. Mythology again stolen and borrowed from many hundreds of years of similar and older mythologies. He sounds out of step with modern theories of criminal rehabilitation. Most of the so-called wicked come from broken homes, poor upbringing and bad environments. Condemning these poor unfortunates is an admission of failure from someone who is meant to be all powerful. But an interesting sermon nevertheless. Cris
light & truth Gary, Your words offer enlightenment (& fresh air), to a smoke filled room of nay sayers. I get so caught up considering the many other points of views, that I sometimes feel thrown off the principles.... IE.............I agree with that completely SIR...... there are quite a few other silent ones here, that feel the same way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! \ speak not into the ears of a fool, for he will despise one's words of wisdom
shake & quake from jehovah/aussie Chris!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHAT DID I TELL YOU ABOUT THE QUAKES TO COME, ONLY A FEW DAYS BACK??????????? Stop being a doubter of a proposed idea (especially a religious one).................... Rather than being an antagonist of religion, try on a new pair of shoes & be a protagonist...for religion! Hell, it ain't goin kill ya! God...in all "it's" aspects of man's understanding, is always welcome to take a day off & live in me & see through my eyes, a man that I am. I accept that I am imperfect, yet I welcome God to live within me at any time of his choosing, and see, feel & understand my greed or plight, as well as know what strifes that his man child suffers...................... .................In this, I know that the almighty judgement of God is NOT cast down by God! Rather I am sure that the ultimate judgement of a man's sins are by the man himself. And Jehovah is just a witness, as one judges himself! The most fair court of the land is the court of God! That is a Fact! Since Jehovah does not judge, he simply witnesses the confessions of each and every man, who IS FORCED TO SPEAK THE TRUTH OF HIS SOUL, ON JUDGEMENT DAY............ ...............NOW let's talk about that people, if you can hear.......................
Re: shake & quake from jehovah/aussie <body> <blockquote> <p><font size="3">WHAT DID I TELL YOU ABOUT THE QUAKES TO COME, ONLY A FEW DAYS BACK???????????</font></p> </blockquote> <p><font size="3">LoL!! So you know Gods' mind? And he is angry? That is a riot though.</font></p> <blockquote> <p><font size="3">Stop being a doubter of a proposed idea (especially a religious one)....................</font></p> </blockquote> <p><font size="3">This idea of an all powerful yet invisible god has been around for a few thousand years. It still makes no sense at all.</font></p> <blockquote> <p><font size="3">Rather than being an antagonist of religion, try on a new pair of shoes & be a protagonist...for religion!</font></p> </blockquote> <p><font size="3">What is the point? Why join another cult and think you know everything?</font></p> <blockquote> <p><font size="3">Hell, it ain't goin kill ya!</font></p> </blockquote> <p><font size="3">Don't kid yourself, many have died over this gobbledegoop. And many have lost their wits too, by thinking that they know what is on this invisible beings mind.</font></p> <blockquote> <p><font size="3">God...in all "it's" aspects of man's understanding, is always welcome to take a day off & live in me & see through my eyes, a man that I am. I accept that I am imperfect, yet I welcome God to live within me at any time of his choosing, and see, feel & understand my greed or plight, as well as know what strifes that his man child suffers......................]</font></p> </blockquote> <p><font size="3">See!? I think it is already happening to you. You and this invisible but all-powerful space invader have a special relationship. You want to be ppossessed!</font></p> <blockquote> <p><font size="3">.................In this, I know that the almighty judgement of God is NOT cast down by God! Rather I am sure that the ultimate judgement of a man's sins are by the man himself. And Jehovah is just a witness, as one judges himself!</font></p> </blockquote> <p><font size="3">Oh, I see. Have you two been talking again?</font></p> <blockquote> <p><font size="3">The most fair court of the land is the court of God! That is a Fact! Since Jehovah does not judge, he simply witnesses the confessions of each and every man, who IS FORCED TO SPEAK THE TRUTH OF HIS SOUL, ON JUDGMENT DAY............</font></p> </blockquote> <p><font size="3">Wow Dude! That is heavy. Forced to speak the truth eh?</font></p> <blockquote> <p><font size="3">...............NOW let's talk about that people, if you can hear.......................</font></p> </blockquote> <p><font size="3">I hear you loud and clear. Many many people with no power or prestige believe that they KNOW what is on this invisible beings way powerful mind, but nothing has ever come from this wisdom, except suffering. No one is healed. No one is risen from the dead. No one has demons cast out.<br> <br> </font></p> </body> </html>
THIS IS DIFFERENT!!!!! Dear Dick, Wanna find God? Look within yourself. Search for the truth (if there is any) within you. DO you need a MIRACLE????????? Ask for one. What did you ask for??????? What more?????
YEPYEPYEP......YEAH?????? NO???? OKOKOKOKOK......THEN YOU WERE BIRTHED OUT, YOU CONTINUE TO CONSUME PERFECTLY GOOD OXYGEN, AND SPREAD YOUR FECIES. You'll grow more diseased as each year passes, and you'll cause others to have no apparent reason to behave with any more restraint than a Lion on the African Plains (Devour & reproduce). Man! I'm sorry. You were obviously correct in your apparent understanding that man has gained no sense of civility from the best ideas of religion.! Hell man, your right! Perhaps we should all be like you. have a nice day//////big smiles//// ps. Since you have previously offered an analysis of my mind, I expect that you would not be afraid of my counter-analysis of you. briefly you: a) With such large words you use......perhaps an inner need to be recognized here, as you are not recognized by others in your daily life......and, b) You impress color......perhaps because you lack color & character....and, c) Size once again. Curious. Maybe too small.....????..or too short???????? Or maybe a semi conscious shortcoming..........I dunno. Keep talking though. I'd like to hear it....... have a nice day//////big smiles////
Aussie, You are perfect for this thread. Your chaotic style manages to emphasize the total irrationaility of religious beliefs. Keep up the excellent destructive work. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!: Cris
Re: YEPYEPYEP......YEAH?????? <body> <blockquote> <p><font face="verdana, arial, helvetica" size="2">NO???? OKOKOKOKOK......THEN YOU WERE BIRTHED OUT, YOU CONTINUE TO CONSUME PERFECTLY GOOD OXYGEN, AND SPREAD YOUR FECIES. You'll grow more diseased as each year passes, and you'll cause others to have no apparent reason to behave with any more restraint than a Lion on the African Plains (Devour & reproduce). Man! I'm sorry.</font></p> </blockquote> <p><font size="4">You mean that the same thing doesn't happen for you? Of course. But I treat others with restraint, because I know that each person I meet along the way is a unique flower of the rarest variety, and not found else where in this galaxy, or for billions of light years from us in all directions.</font></p> <blockquote> <p><font face="verdana, arial, helvetica" size="2">You were obviously correct in your apparent understanding that man has gained no sense of civility from the best ideas of religion.! Hell man, your right! Perhaps we should all be like you.</font></p> </blockquote> <p><font face="verdana, arial, helvetica" size="4">Huh? You all are like me.</font></p> <blockquote> <p><font face="verdana, arial, helvetica" size="2">ps. Since you have previously offered an analysis of my mind, I expect that you would not be afraid of my counter-analysis of you. briefly you:<br> <br> a) With such large words you use......perhaps an inner need to be recognized here, as you are not recognized by others in your daily life......and,</font></p> </blockquote> <p><font size="4">Oh, a little spell check here, a little thesaurus there, makes for a better read. Don't you agree?</font></p> <blockquote> <p><font face="verdana, arial, helvetica" size="2">b) You impress color......perhaps because you lack color & character....and,</font></p> </blockquote> <p><font size="4">Too much time on the www, <span style="background-color: #FFCCCC">I am getting pasty!!!</span></font></p> <blockquote> <p><font face="verdana, arial, helvetica" size="2">c) Size once again. Curious. Maybe too small.....????..or too short???????? Or maybe a semi conscious shortcoming..........I dunno. Keep talking though. I'd like to hear it.......</font></p> </blockquote> <p><font size="4">Hmm, maybe you aren't talking to me Aussie when you say that. I expect a bit more uh restraint from believers. I mean He wouldn't talk with such rude innuendos... would He?</font></p> <blockquote> <p><font face="verdana, arial, helvetica" size="2"><br> <br> </font></p> </blockquote> </body> </html>
It's always the time for God's judgement Lessee ... how many times has the world been supposed to end? We need two hands to count the respectable movements to profess such an event without extending much farther back than the mid 19th century. Seventh-Day Adventists are still here ... I'm curious what their excuse is, though Apocalyptic threats seem less their style these days than the concerns of the Millerites. I once asked a devout Catholic, whose marriage we were disrespecting, why she chose to have a child in 1993 if she believed, even then, that the world would end in 2000. I never got a proper answer, though the most cohesive was, "Because I love him and want him to go to heaven." Either I was contextually in the wrong county (since about three supposed interpretations make that a proper response, but all miss the context of our original discussion), or else it's the dumbest answer I've ever heard. But I'm too much of a perfectionist snob, sometimes. Just because the math doesn't work at all doesn't mean anything. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! But as far as I can recall, having come up Lutheran (primarily), Catholic (by schooling), and having some exposure to the Society of Friends, it seems that the world has always been on the eve of judgement, and that some people of faith are capable of worrying about the things they can worry about. (e.g.--I never heard Apocalyptic word one from the Quakers; world peace, starving children, and domestic abuse seemed to occupy the thoughts of the church I knew.) But flood-advertising is about name- and concept-recognition primarily; one need not be accurate. After so many determinations that the end is nigh, one starts to treat Apocalyptic sentiments like the nagging telemarketer that always calls you during dinner. Besides, we need no warning or preparation for an apocalypse. If God should choose to have a fiery, exploding, orgiastic apocalypse, it would only be to falsely inflate Its self-esteem. Heck, I thought Reagan was the apocalypse. But we survived, and the community of hollow-eyed, soulless, two-dimensional vampires of lucre I pass on the street are, truly, the leading edge of everything good about society. How wrong I was ....Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! But apocalypses come and go, and the only ones caught up in any rapture at all are the ones with the applesauce and Kool-Aid. thanx, Tiassa Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
Hope you guess my name... GaryLarrabee, Welcome to Sciforums, formerly known as ExoSci. I have a riddle for you, Gary - which bible character is purported to have said, "I am...the bright and morning star"? (Hint: I'm sure he never claimed to be a man of wealth and taste in this guise. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! ) Emerald
Sorry, Emerald, I know you were asking Gary, but I just couldn't resist. I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. (Revelation 22:16, KJV).
Re: Re: shake & quake from jehovah/aussie Since the alternative is nothing at all, that makes even less sense. LOL! Are we supposed to believe that just because you said it? I've seen too many people healed and too many demons cast out to believe you. I've never seen anyone raised from the dead yet, but two out of three has me pretty well convinced. And again, what you have to offer is...?
Very good, Tony! I'm pretty sure you already know who else is called the "morning star", so why do you think that Jesus would identify himself that way - at the end of Revelations, no less? Emerald
HELL, I DUNNO Alright, alright,.........okoko....ok!!!!!!! Jesus Christ(s)! Don't get all your panties tied up in a dog knot. GOOD GOD! Hell, If one didn't know better, you'd think the atheists had HOLY WATER THROWN ON EM!!!!!!!!! BESIDES,............I really don't remember what I last posted, a few days back (Way to much Damned Vodka)! Anyhow, I didn't expect all the God Haters to form a lynch mob & start looking for Christians to kill!!!!!!! PEACE & LONG LIFE..........PLEASE!
Uh...*major struggle*...uh...*can't answer*... Can only find reference to morning star twice in the KJV, both times talking about Jesus. You may be thinking of this...? How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! (Isaiah 14:12, KJV).
Re: HELL, I DUNNO <body> <blockquote> <p><br> Hell, If one didn't know better, you'd think the atheists had HOLY WATER THROWN ON EM!!!!!!!!!</p> </blockquote> <p>Hmmm, Perhaps if you would read back through your posts you might catch a whiff of what has pumped us up since well:</p> <blockquote> <p>...........I really don't remember what I last posted, a few days back (Way to much Damned Vodka)!</p> </blockquote> <blockquote> <p>Anyhow, I didn't expect all the God Haters to form a lynch mob & start looking for Christians to kill!!!!!!!</p> </blockquote> <p>We don't want to <i>kill</i> Christians, but we expect them to remember what they post, and screaming and yelling won't get you too far in any argument about the actual existence of invisible all powerful beings.<br> <br> </p> </body> </html>
Tony, It looks like your struggles are paying off - you are once again quite correct! Let's take a look at what the Blue Letter Bible website has to say about who this <a href="http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_dir/strongs/983757238.html">Lucifer</a> character is. Interesting, no? Emerald
