psychoanalysis

Discussion in 'Human Science' started by omega, Jul 17, 2003.

  1. omega Registered Member

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    greetings, all.

    i have recently been studying psychoanalysis and psychotherapy (specifically the writtings of a Frida Fromm-Reichmann and Frued), but i get the impression that these ideas are a little out dated. can anyone point me in the right direction? any refrences? (book recommendations would be wonderful). thank you... all responces are appreciated.
     
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  3. omega Registered Member

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    i find it disappointing that no one has replied. surely someone in this populous community has researched psychology and knows some modern ideas? please.
     
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  5. Xenu BBS Whore Registered Senior Member

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    I guess I'd go with the Neo-Freudians, such as Alfred Adler, Anna Freud, Erich Fromm, and Carl Jung. However these aren't really that new either. As for books, I'm not entirely sure, it also depends on what you are interested in.

    I can't point out any more modern notable psychoanalysts, possibly they are just rehashing Freud's stuff or the people above's stuff. If I were to go more "modern" I'd probably abandon psychoanalysis altogether and look at more cognitive theory.
     
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  7. Oleander Somniferum Registered Member

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    Well, psychoanalyisy and psychotherapy are not the same. Psychoanalysis is method astablished by Freud, and his follower, which ARE NOT Jung and Adler,.....

    psychoanalysis is one, and there's much more psychotherapeutic methods (TA, client-centred,existencialistic, geshtalt,behavior,primal, etc...)

    I guess the choice of psychotherapy/psychoanalysis depends of the sort of the problem, and person
     
  8. ripleofdeath Registered Senior Member

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    omega

    what specificly do you wish to know or learn?

    we are all playing cricket
    if you wish to know how to instruct a bowler you will need to learn more than batting visa-versa/feilding/wicketkeeping/scoring/umpiring/greenkeeping
    i could bore you by going on but i assume you get my point

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  9. Abnak Registered Senior Member

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    Max , Shouldn't this be in the psuedo - science catagory ?

    Dream interpretation accompanied with psycho - babble are 19th century parlor tricks , bring your own coke .

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    Interpret this :
    I had a dream last night ... about a bloody spoon and eyeballs .
     
  10. daphneeee Registered Senior Member

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    Xenu u forgot Karen Horney. I myself find a very interesting and effective psychotherapeutic method the gestalt approach. I think its the best approach which can help in almost every situation.
     
  11. omega Registered Member

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    well i am very interested in psychology and would consider it for a carrer. the problem is i have, as i said, only researched in the old theories and would like to know some more modern ones. currently, i have little use for a book that aims at only the theraputic methods, as i am to younge to put it to any use, but the theory interests me.
     
  12. omega Registered Member

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    first of all, how did you know my name was max?

    and no, i believe this is the perfect forum for this topic, but i share your general distaste for frued's attempts to correctly interpret dreams.
     
  13. ripleofdeath Registered Senior Member

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    omega
    how old are you?
     
  14. omega Registered Member

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    i am currently 15 years of age, to be 16 in august.
     
  15. Abnak Registered Senior Member

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    Max

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    Many of these therapists are better suited as fortune tellers , because their methodology is similiar to a cold reading technique ... basically fabricators for profit .
     
  16. ripleofdeath Registered Senior Member

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    omega
    happy early birthday then

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    Many of these therapists are better suited as fortune tellers , because their methodology is similiar to a cold reading technique ... basically fabricators for profit
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    the big difference would be that fortunetellers would charge less and say that they are not always correct

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  17. omega Registered Member

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    but of course. and who, may i ask, are you on the PFs?

    i would disagree. fortune tellers offer no solid evidence, and their predictions are hardly ever true. therapist do, from time to time, cure their patients of their mental problems. is this luck?
     
  18. Abnak Registered Senior Member

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    Omega, I am also Abnak over there . I have only posted a couple of times , prefering for the most part to just read what others have written . An excellent group over there , much like here .

    While some of these analysts / therapists may be ethical , many are not . I think most operate under a cloud of self deception . Should "luck" be considered ? How about the placebo effect?

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  19. Xenu BBS Whore Registered Senior Member

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    Abnak,

    I'm sorry you have a distrust in the mental health field. It's obvious by what you say in your comments that you don't know what therapy is really about. It seems easy until you actually become a counselor.

    Omega,

    So you aren't limiting your studying to psychoanalysis? What other areas are you interested in?

    Are you looking more towards experimental research based? Or more theory based? Physiology? Therapy? Psychology is pretty broad.
     
  20. Abnak Registered Senior Member

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    Thanks Xenu for the reply ! You ask alot of questions and include generalizations : "It's obvious by what you say in your comments that you don't know what therapy is really about. " Could you narrow that down a bit ? I do have years of study on this subject and have formed the opinion that many involved in this field are scam artists hiding behind a facade of science .


    Did you read the "placebo" essay ?
     
  21. ripleofdeath Registered Senior Member

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    Xenu
    Abnak

    i agree in part with both of you

    i think the important information for
    you omega
    is that there is a wide variety of interpretation in all feilds of psychology
    and it seems there is a important factor of personal development required to be a good mental health worker

    anyone with a narrow acceptance of certain types of information based on what is rite and what is wrong tend to lean toward things that may not be able to help all people

    like someone who believes in not having abortions counselling teenagers who are trying to decide if they should have an abortion
    a very contraversial issue!

    psychology is very contraversial by its very nature
    so the more well ballanced the indevidual is the better therapist they can be

    go and buy a first year psychology text book from a student book shop and start reading it with a medical dictionary handy
    it might help to give you an idea of what specific area IF ANY you might wish to pursue more so than others

    self development is critical
    good luck
    keep grooving

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  22. Xev Registered Senior Member

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    No. It's "we've fleeced you enough, now go, you're cured!".

    Nice hasty generalization.
    Give one well-documented example of a person who was cured of a actual psychological disorder by talk therapy.

    Omega:
    The human brain is an incredibly complex thing. It's not suprising that the legitimate science of psychiatry is overrun with pseudo-scientists gibbering their half-baked theories to anyone who will hear.
    And there we have Freud. Dated? Fuck yes, I know of no scientist who regards Freud as anything more than a useful anachronism. If you're interested in the science involved in psychiatry, I'd suggest some beginning texts on neuroanatomy, perhaps Richard Restak's "The Brain" is a good pop-sci book?

    This ought to be, like all writings on how Freud wanted to fuck his mommy, in pseudoscience.
     
  23. omega Registered Member

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    i wonder Abnak, (not to be offencive, but..) have you ever met an insane person? if you have you would find that it is not so easy to dismis the trauma (real truama) that they have undergone in their childhood and talk about with their therapist. it is not just ludicrous babbling that happens to cure a mental patient, there is a method.
     

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