Porfiry: Delete thread's initial message and remove my name from it.

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  1. ossipoff Registered Member

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    Administrator:

    It looks as if you aren't going to tell why you believe that
    "Reticence Won't Bring Alien Contact" is pseudoscience.

    One must conclude that you have some reason for moving that thread to
    that
    forum, and that you won't answer my question about your reason because
    you
    know that you wouldn't be able to justify it to others.

    Regarding the posting with which I started that thread, I don't want it
    posted so much that I'd allow it to be posted in the pseudoscience
    forum.
    Therefore I've made repeated attempts to delete it.

    But it doesn't delete. And now when I try, I'm informed that my account
    is
    turned off. If you won't let me delete my initial message "Reticence
    won't
    bring alien contact", then you should delete it. And remove my name
    from the
    thread. I didn't post to
    "pseudoscience", and I never agreed to have my name listed there.

    Better still would be if you would simply delete the whole thread. But at least delete my initial post there and take my name off of it.

    Also, whenever I try to post something now, I get the screen that says
    that
    my account has been turned off (or that I'm not logged in or
    registered).

    That has prevented me from answering a question that someone asked
    about
    something I posted.

    But if for some reason you don't want me to post to your forums, at
    least
    delete my initial posting from "Reticence won't bring alien contact",
    and
    remove my name from where you list me as the originator of that
    "pseudoscientific" thread.

    That isn't a lot to ask.

    I don't know what your problem is. Probably you're trying to compensate for feelings of inadequacy.

    But, whatever the explanation, if I'd known what the administrator of these forums was like,
    I'd
    never have posted to them. I'm not interested in playing your game.

    But now I've found that out, and I'll stop trying to post to your
    forums.

    For obvious reasons, I don't want to participate in your forums any
    further.

    But take my name off of that thread, and delete my initial message in
    the
    thread.

    Or are your personality problems and character defects such that you won't even do that much?

    Mike Ossipoff
     
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  3. wet1 Wanderer Registered Senior Member

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    Porfiry did not move that thread to Pseudo Science. Did you never notice there is a moderator in the Astronomy section?

    Also, with posting to this public message boards, you loose any copyright on your posts and every person is entitled to post to the thread you start.

    If a thread goes in a different direction than you initially wanted, then that is a shame but it happens quite a lot. So many people, so many different views and idea's.

    I think the moderator from Astronomy was perfectly right in moving your thread to Pseudo Science as the topic turned into Pseudo Science.

    Up front, when a thread just starts, it is not always clear which direction it goes, but if it changes too much, it gets moved to the proper forum, which, in this case, is Pseudo Science.

    I think the above is a poor way to try to get even. Because you feel you are treated wrongly, does not mean you need to insult the admin here. Obviously you never looked further than your nose is long.

    It just shows your lack of personality and character.

    Don't like it here, than bugger off!
     
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  5. ossipoff Registered Member

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    Banshee--

    You said:

    Porfiry did not move that thread to Pseudo Science. Did you never
    notice
    there is a moderator in the Astronomy section?

    I reply:

    Yes, that's why I initially spoke politely to the administrator, in
    the
    hopes that he'd correct his moderator's error. Instead, the
    administrator
    left the thread in "pseudoscience", without answering my question about
    what
    was pseudoscientific about it.

    You continued:

    Also, with posting to this public message boards, you loose any
    copyright on
    your posts

    I reply:

    A court would probably agree that the implied agreement was that it
    would be
    posted where I posted it, and that there was no agreement for it to be
    posted as pseudoscience in the pseudoscience forum. So Porfiry is
    probably
    doing something actionable when he moves threads, and then refused to
    delete
    them upon request. Anyway, if my initial posting is pseudoscience, they
    why
    does he want to keep it so much that he'd not let me delete it?


    You continued:

    I think the moderator from Astronomy was perfectly right in moving your
    thread to Pseudo Science as the topic turned into Pseudo Science.

    I reply:

    You're merely repeating the claim that the thread contained
    psuedoscience,
    but it's obvious to all that you haven't justified that claim. In my
    post, I
    asked in what way the thread was pseudoscience. I didn't ask you to
    just
    repeat that it's pseudoscience.

    You continued:

    If it changes too much, it gets moved to the proper forum, which, in
    this
    case, is Pseudo Science.

    I reply:

    Again, you're repeating that the thread became pseudoscience, without
    answering my question: Where's the pseudoscience in that thread?

    You continued:

    I think the above is a poor way to try to get even. Because you feel
    you are
    treated wrongly, does not mean you need to insult the admin here.

    I reply:

    No, first I asked politely and nicely if he'd explain in what way the
    thread
    is pseudoscience. He didn't. He just left the thread in the
    psesudosciencd
    forum. And I wasn't allowed to delete the thread's initial post. No, I
    don't
    need to insult the administrator, but I chose to point out the
    petty-tyrant
    complex that spoils these forums.

    You continued:

    Don't like it here, than bugger off!

    I reply:

    I already said that I don't like Porfiry's little petty tyrant game and that
    I
    didn't intend to continue playing his game.

    Mike Ossipoff
     
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  7. Porfiry Nomad Registered Senior Member

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    I don't recall ever receiving any communication whatsoever from you.
     
  8. ossipoff Registered Member

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    Porfiry:

    I didn't send individualk e-mail, but I had been told that you read the messages in this feedback forum, and so I posted my request here. My request was that you:

    Request:

    Move the "Reticence won't bring alien contact" thread back to the Astronomy, Cosmology, Exobiology forum where I'd posted it.

    OR

    1. Tell me what part of that thread is pseudoscience.
    2. Delete my initial posting in that thread.
    3. Remove my name from that thread.

    [end of request]

    Now, if you just don't look at this form often, and that's the only reason why my requests were ignored, then of course I've misjudged you, and, if that's the case, than I apologize for jumping to conclusions.

    Mike Ossipoff
     
  9. SpyMoose Secret double agent deer Registered Senior Member

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    Maybe its not my place to say so, but if I were running a forum and you began acting like this and insulting the character of myself or my chosen moderators you would be banned without getting a reply of any kind. If you have an issue with why your thread was moved, fine, ask and wait. wait a LOOONG time because the moderators don’t do this full time, they have a life, this forum is casual. But you come on whining like this, it makes me wish I could fistfight someone over the internet. For someone who doesn’t want to participate on the forums anymore you sure do go on like a son of a bitch about the little hardships you have had to endure at the hands of the cruel and chaotic administrator, the one who has the balls to think a thread about alien contact goes in psudoscience.
     
  10. spookz Banned Banned

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    ahh chill and stick around
     
  11. Greg Bernhardt www.physicsforums.com Registered Senior Member

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    oh how I love drama

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  12. ossipoff Registered Member

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    Spymoose--

    You said:

    If you have an issue with why your thread was moved, fine, ask and
    wait.

    I reply:

    That's what I did. I assumed that the administrator read the feedback
    thread. When I found that he didn't read it as often as I'd expected,
    and
    that he hadn't seen my posting there "SETI isn't Pseudoscience", in
    which
    I'd made my request, I said that if that's the only reason why my
    request
    was ignored then I'd misjudged the administrator and I said that, if
    that's
    the case, I apologized for jumping to conclusions.

    So don't be so quick to duke it out.

    You continued:

    it makes me wish I could fistfight someone over the internet.

    I reply:

    I'd never have guessed

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    That kind of combativeness is what generally puts people off from
    newsgroups, bulletin-boards, Internet forums.

    You continued:

    ...administrator, the one who has the balls to think a thread about
    alien
    contact goes in psudoscience.

    I reply:

    I doubt that he'd try to justify calling it pseudoscience for that
    reason.
    The people working on SETI are genuine scientists, not
    psesudoscientists.
    They, and many other genuine scientists don't consider SETI
    pseudoscience.
    SETI is about alien contact.

    My initial posting in the thread didn't add any new, unorthodox, or
    controversial science. My posting merely suggested that signalling
    would
    improve the chance of success. A modest suggestion that didn't add any
    pseudoscience.

    The thread is called Astronomy, Cosmology, Exobiology. That last word
    indicates that the discussion of life elsewhere and discussions that
    take
    that tentative assumption as a point of departure are not off-topic for
    that
    thread.

    Mike Ossipoff
     
  13. spookz Banned Banned

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    lets debate
    maybe in free thoughts (neutral ground)

    seti - junk science?
     
  14. spookz Banned Banned

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    cheer up mike
    tho the board has a more conventional outlook now, it wasnt always the case. it is possible that our esteemed leader symphatizes with you tho there probably will not be any reversal in policy.

    seti's status as a science is up for debate in the real world and as a result in sciforums. it is unfortunate while status is in limbo it has defaulted towards junk science
     
  15. spookz Banned Banned

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    The thread is called Astronomy, Cosmology, Exobiology.

    heh heh i missed that completely. those opposing do not have a leg to stand on now.

    Also studies will be considered that would seek approaches to investigations furthering our understanding of the distribution of life elsewhere in the universe. Potential NASA missions include missions related to the study of extrasolar planets.

    this is an extract from EXOBIOLOGY - A Program of NASA's Solar System Exploration Division

    however

    If a thread goes in a different direction than you initially wanted, then that is a shame but it happens quite a lot. So many people, so many different views and idea's. (banshee)

    the mods now do have a leg to stand. a thread starter has to be proactive with regards to a thread. if you see a thread heading towards junk science, you have a few options. ask the offender to cease and desist, report offending posts to a mod. though it is unlikely it would work, give it a shot. secondly you could always try again!
     
  16. ossipoff Registered Member

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    Spookz--

    I'd said:

    The thread is called Astronomy, Cosmology, Exobiology.[/i]

    You replied:

    heh heh i missed that completely

    I reply:

    Well it would seem that Spymoose did indeed miss that.

    You continued:

    . those opposing do not have a leg to stand on now.

    I reply:

    Well, it would seem that Spymoose was mistaken when he said that the
    topic
    of the initial post makes it pseudoscience.

    You continued:

    however

    If a thread goes in a different direction than you initially wanted,
    then
    that is a shame but it happens quite a lot. So many people, so many
    different views and idea's. (banshee)


    I reply:

    The different direction amounted to some challenges and admonitions
    that
    weren't relevant to the initial post, which had made no claims
    concerning
    the abundance of extraterrestrial life.
    But "different direction" isn't necessarily "pseudoscience direction".

    You continued:

    the mods now do have a leg to stand. a thread starter has to be
    proactive
    with regards to a thread. if you see a thread heading towards junk
    science...

    I reply:

    I admit that an idiot claiming academic credentials joined my
    "Reticence..."
    thread, and began making patently incorrect statments, the most
    elemenary
    mis-statements.

    But is there any thread in sciforums that has never had 1 or more
    incorrect
    statements made? If not, then shouldn't they all be in the
    pseudoscience
    forum? No, because "an incorrect statement" isn't what pseudoscience
    means.

    Science is a process involving a way of identifying and interpreting
    evidence. When someone claims and interprets evidence is a way that
    isn't
    consistent with that process, but claims that he's offering science,
    then
    that's pseudoscience.

    I admit that "Paul"'s postings qualified as pseudoscience when he tried
    to
    invoke scientific authority to back up his elementary mis-statements.
    But
    just because a pseudoscientist joins a thread and makes a
    pseudoscientific
    claim, that doesn't turn the thread's topic into pseudoscience. The
    thread
    still is not about pseudoscience just because one person makes a
    pseudoscientific claim.

    You continued:


    , you have a few options. ask the offender to cease and desist, report
    offending posts to a mod

    I reply:

    The astronomy mod didn't give his e-mail address. And I did say that if
    "Paul" couldn't learn to disagree more politely then hopefully a
    moderator
    would eject him from the thread.

    How many days has it been now since I posted "SETI Isn't Pseudoscience"
    in
    this feedback forum, and asked what part of the "Reticence..." thread
    is
    pseudoscience? A management that's usually quick to defend its
    thread-moving
    seems this time to be unable to justify this one.

    Since when I first posted "SETI Isn't Pseudoscience", I've repeatedly
    asked
    where is the pseudoscience in the "Reticence Won't Bring Alien Contact"
    thread. And the answer? Silence.

    Spookz, when I first posted these objections to that thread being
    labeled
    "pseudoscience", you said that the answer, if any, would be
    interesting.
    When you said "if any", you knew that when these people can't justify a
    thread-move, they likely won't answer when asked for their
    justification. It
    now appears that your prediction was right: The management can't
    justify
    labeling the "Reticence..." thread as pseudoscience, and, lacking any
    explaination that they could justifly to others, has chosen to not
    answer.

    But, granting that the management lacks the honesty to answer when they
    can't justify something they do, is it too much to ask that my name be
    removed from the thread, and that my initial posting be deleted from
    it?

    Mike Ossipoff
     
  17. Zero Banned Banned

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    I love drama, too!

    *gets out the popcorn and sprinkles some pepper on it*
    *looks around*

    What? I like pepper on it. It's not WEIRD.
     
  18. ossipoff Registered Member

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    Spookz--

    You wrote:

    seti's status as a science is up for debate in the real world and as a result in sciforums. it is unfortunate while status is in limbo it has defaulted towards junk science

    I reply:

    I'm not sure what you mean by "It has defaulted towards junk science."

    If you mean that Wet1 has apparently declared it as pseudoscience, and has done so in complete ignorance of what psseudoscience is, then you're right.

    If Wet1 thinks that SETI is pseudoscience, then Wet1 hasn't a clue what "pseudoscience" means. I'd say that's a disqualifying attribute for a moderator in a science forum.

    Pseudoscience is what you have when someone claims to be interpretiing evidence according to methods of science, but in fact is not. Or when someone is falsely or mistakenly claiming scientiric authority for his statements, as "Paul" was doing.

    But here is what is NOT pseudoscience: Discussing or advocating a project to look signals from extraterrestrial civilizations, when the people who do that project, and the people who advocate it make no claim that there are other civilizations signalling to us.
    The idea is merely that, because we don't know for sure, there could be, for all anyone can say, and so some choose to look for signals.

    To call that pseudoscience betrays an ignorance of what pseudoscience is, and an ignorance of what science is.

    How much ignorance would it take to make someone unqualified to be a moderator?

    If "pseudoscience" refers to mistakenly invoking science when saying things that aren't really supported by science, then if someone claims that SETI is contrary to science, then that person is making a pseudoscientific statement.

    So, Wet1, maybe you should move yourself to the Pseudoscience forum.

    Mike Ossipoff
     
  19. spuriousmonkey Banned Banned

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    Mike...

    why don't you just make a new thread with a different title and stop bitching about it.


    mark
     
  20. spookz Banned Banned

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    echo
    enough with the bitching.
    lock this thread
     
  21. Zero Banned Banned

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    Ditto. More than enough bitching to last this forum a lifetime.
     
  22. ossipoff Registered Member

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    Whiners:

    You must be a very compliant bunch, and so I'm sorry to disturb your tranquility, and elicit all those angry noises from you.

    Excuse me, I was just pointing out that your Astronomy, Cosmology, Exobiology forum has defective moderator. That bothers you terribly, and yet you choose to keep reading this thread, and you seem to blame me for your inability to resist reading this thread that bothers you so much. Has it occurred to you that you could try just not clicking on the thread?

    In fact, it would probably be better if yoiu didn't post to this thread if you don't have anything to say other than your usual angry grunts.

    I've said what I wanted to say about that, so you can all calm down now, and go back to your inane jokes and your silly pseudonyms. So many people afraid to use their actual names.

    Mike Ossipoff
     
  23. Porfiry Nomad Registered Senior Member

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    This thread is upsetting my stomach and intestines.
     
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