As some of you know wearing head scarfs in the government places, schools, university entrance exam and universities is banned in Turkey for a long time. What do you think about this? I ll tell my opinions later..
Whatever. I really don't see why the government think they have the right to pass such legislation, but whatever turns your crank.
it's on par with making a christian remove their crucifix necklace, maybe worse, maybe a rosary. so, if you're in a place that makes christians and others take off their symbols of faith then you should have to remove yours. you can't just single out one religion. it's just that islam is very political right now.
Banning girls from schools or government buildings for observing the Hijab ( head scarfs ) is PURE BLATANT DISGUSTING DISCRIMINATION. I think any girl who suffer such racism should take the matter to the highest court of the land and if they happen to be in Europe, they should take it all alone to the European court of Human rights. Those HYPOCRITES dont mind allowing girls with mini skirts and outrageous revealing cloth, but they resent seeing muslim woman in headscarf......!! Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
I am not a fan of anything religious but as long people not tell me what clothes to wear I will not tell them what to wear... I think that indeed a girl should have the right to wear what she likes , no matter if that is a hijab or a short skirt. You accept the one you must accept the other, we don't wanna be hypocrites now do wePlease Register or Log in to view the hidden image!?
My high school didn't let us wear alot of things, like any kind of hat. I didn't like it either. Since Islam is not a race, you can't accuse anyone of racism. yes, please! Thats what this infidel likes to see.
I agree with PS, you have a right to religious statement, as long as it is not dangerous to another. The hypocrisy, though, is not girls in mini skirts. The hypocrisy is that a Muslim woman in West can fight someone preventing her from wearing the hijab, but if she chooses not to in much of the Islamic world it can cause real problems, and in some places arrest or getting crap beat out of her. --------------------------- "If you have fully made up your mind to shoot if you have to, the chances are that you will not have to." Julian Hatcher, 1935
proud syrian ... but they resent seeing muslim woman in headscarf......!! nobody forbids them to wear a headscarf , it´s just that religious signs shouldn´t be allowed in official buildings ! now i don´t know if a headscarf is really a sign for islam ...... but i know that most people think so Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! btw , that has nothing to do with racism !
How about all those people in Israel sweet pentax ? Some of them wear this (i don't know the English word for it ) "Keppel" on their head, is that a religious sign ? And don't forget death metal bands, they believe in the antichrist wich is a belief in itself , all black t-shirts and skullwarez must be burn't immediately...Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! I feel that as long if nobody is forcing their believes upon me who am I to force my believes upon them ?
Some of them wear this (i don't know the English word for it ) "Keppel" on their head, is that a religious sign ? of course it is ! i mean , it´s probably not really a religious sign ( hmmm ...... i guess so .... ) , but people think so ! hey , i´m damn tolerant , really , but that´s even for my taste too much Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! well , out of school with religion , that´s all i want ....
Proud Syrian, i think im can understand why you feel like its discrimination. I respect your opinion but, ATATURK' s aim was to modernize Turkish life in order to give his nation a new sense of dignity, equality, and happiness. After more than three centuries of high achievement, the Ottoman Empire had declined from the 17th to the early 20th Century: With Sultans presiding over a social and economic system mired in backwardness, the Ottoman state had become hopelessly outmoded for the modern times. Atatürk resolved to lead his country out of the crumbling past into a brave new future. In his program of modernization, secular government and education played a major role. Making religious faith a matter of individual conscience, he created a truly secular system in Turkey, where the vast Moslem majority and the small Christian and Jewish minorities are free to practice their faith To give his nation a modern outlook, Atatürk introduced many reforms: European hats replaced the fez; women stopped wearing the veil; all citizens took surnames; and the Islamic calendar gave way to the Western calendar With abiding faith in the vital importance of women in society, Atatürk launched many reforms to give Turkish women equal rights and opportunities. The new Civil Code, adopted in 1926, abolished polygamy and recognized the equal rights of women in divorce, custody, and inheritance. The entire educational system from the grade school to the university became coeducational. He gave women the same opportunities as men, including full political rights. In the mid-1930s, 18 women, among them a villager, were elected to the national parliament. Later, Turkey had the world's first women supreme court justice. No one said that you cant wear veils because its against the law. People just did it because they believed in ATATURK and trusted him. Now, head scarfs are banned in Turkey because it can easily be used against the secularism in Turkiye. Women dont just wear it because of their religious beliefs they just wear it to show that they want to be like Syria or Iraq nonsecular. If we knew that they really wear it because of their religious beliefs we wouldn't say anything and let them do whatever they want to do. Turkiye is an interesting country. Its like an experiment. Being the only secular and democratic Muslem country brings also some problems. Islam has many rules about how the society should behave. Some things just have to be modernized you just cant do the things the way people hundred years ago did. I know its very weird to ban head scarfs but its just a sacrifice that people have to do for their country for now, because its too risky. (Some paragraphs taken by www.ataturk.com)
ATATURK' Ah yes the successful Shah, he succeeded at what the Shah of Iran failed. Westernization, the Turkish state is indeed the most secular state in the entire Islamic world. But you see Ataturk has created a anti-religious state in the process it seems. I know that the military is not a fan of Islam at all. Also since Turkey is trying desperately to get into the western world (a fruitless endeavor) they will further press on Islam. But eventually a backlash will occur, here in Canada in public schools what is done is not rejection, but rather acceptance of religious differences. The Islamists thrive on this rejection of religion, because Islam is one religion that almost commands a central role in many ppl's lives.
I also agree. Everyone has this right to wear a cross, crucifix, scarf, or whatever religious symbol as long as it is not dangerous to another. But what happens to people like druids, satanists, free thinkers, wiccans and pagans etc. etc. Do they have the same right, can they wear likewise items which reflect their religion. If they can't then this "freedom" of equal rights is not equal.
ATATURK wasn't a Shah. There never was a title like that in Turkiye. I dont think that comparing ATATURK and the Iranian Shah is something right to do. What some important people said after ATATURK died : The death of Atatürk, who saved Turkey in the war and resurrected the Turkish Nation after the war, is a great loss not only for his country but also for all of Europe. The tears of people from all classes in the country are nothing but the proof of respect of the brave and modern Turkey for its leader.(1938) Winston CHURCHILL, Prime Minister of England I am proud to attend to the 25th Anniversary of the Memorial Ceremony of Atatürk’s death. Atatürk reminds us of many things. The historical success of great leaders of this century, leadership that inspires the Turkish Nation, the supreme vision of the modern world, and as a soldier, high determination and bravery. The birth of the Turkish Nation from the ruins of a collapsing empire, New Turkey’s decleration of its freedom and independance in honour and protecting it since then are the work of Atatürk and his Nation. There is no doubt that the revolutions he has carried out in his country shows how the trust of a nation brings success. There is no other example like this. John F. Kennedy, President of U.S.A. 10th November 1963 Our nation knows the name Kemal Atatürk very well because of his efforts to give his nation freedom and his struggle for national development. Atatürk has awakened the Turkish Nation to fight with the imperialists. The first Republic of the near and middle east owes its birth to him. This Republic has been an example to many national independence movements in many countries. Atatürk believed that his fight against imperialism was a holy war and he gained the admiration of the Turkish Nation as well as the whole world. Atatürk has done much to save Turkey from lagging back a century. The reforms he had made aimed to develop economic life, industry and agriculture. In the time of Atatürk, Turkey’s international authority has grown and Turkey began to play an important role in world politics. N.S.CRUSHCHEF, President Of The Soviet Union, 10th November 1938
Your post shows an inherent problem with Ataturk, all those quotes were from Christian, or Atheists, and have no connection to the ppl of Turkey. The Shah and Ataturk are comparable; they both had just been given a fmr. empire to rule, they both rejected Islam as a political force, they depended on the US for support, both had favorable relations with Israel, both have large non-majority communities, and they both used "tactics" to suppress "deviants" shall I go on? These administrations have reflected the opposite direction of the Modern Middle East, Secularism is out. I hope Turkey remains secular, but to ban girls from wearing head scarves is anti-religious and will cause a uproar in Islamic communities…98% Muslim is Turkey is it not?
The limits of tolerance and democracy? As you know the FIS had won the democratic elections in Algeria some years ago, an unexpected unfavourable outcome for the ruling parties, hence the millitary took control, claiming they were protectecting democracy against the FIS throwing away the democratic system and install sharia instead. I don't like the FIS at all, but a real democracy would have listened to the will of the majority of the people. In a real democracy the FIS wouldn't get probably that many votes because there is such an unreasonable distribution of wealth in countries like Algeria, ruled by a superrich corrupt group, driving the people in the streets into the arms of the religious fanatics. My feelings for Turkey are somewhat different, I think that Ataturks ambition always has been to put the WHOLE nation forward, not just some ruling clique, even now that there is some ruling islamic party it seems much more moderate than the FIS and within the bounderies of a democratic system and gives me faith in the turkish experiment.
The badge of a religion is a threat. It is a sign that a person wears to say, "You better not mess with me or you mess with all my peeps." It is the threat of a response in force out of proportion to the original crime. That is why strongly religious people are so proud of their badges, so willing to fight for them, because they feel that they deserve to flaunt their threat of mass retribution to any perceived wrong against themselves. The head-scarf is a threat. The yarmulka is a threat. The crucifix is a threat. Any badge of any religion is a threat. At least some people are honest enough to make theirs a knife... Is it any wonder that secular governments don't want you waving these things around in their faces? Maybe it's because they don't like being threatened. Maybe, when people demand the right to threaten their government, they should think about what they're asking for.
Oh come on, people were badges as symbols for everything from "Man United Rules OK" to " I love America". These are personal statements and these people who wear these badges are proud of their belief. Everyone is proud of something, its a personal choice. To see religious badges or symbols as threats is going a little overboard. To make a statement that one is Jewish, Christian, Muslim or even Pagan does not threaten anyones safety - does it. But if any of them was sporting a machine gun at the same time, then I would be a bit worried. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
