Want 'equality'? Move to Canada

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  1. kajolishot Registered Senior Member

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    Justice & equality have taken a backseat here in America. No one can deny that. From government sponsored racial profiling to projects such as TIPS (spying on one another) it is becoming difficult to show America truly is free.

    On the other hand, though, we have radical religious zealots determining policies for the political parties. The tip of the iceberg is same-sex marriage to eliminating a female's right to choose. The difference between America and Canada it seems is the religious aspect of a person's life is private; whereas in America it is a Christian’s duty to harass and humiliate the individual. That is how I perceive the radical religious movement here in America.

    America is starting to look a lot like the Axis of Evil. Radical. Religious. Belligerent.

    Alternative: Canada
     
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  3. SpyMoose Secret double agent deer Registered Senior Member

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    *proclaims loudly* Talk like that will help the terrorists win! How could you hate America so much? *slips in close and whispers* do you know anyone who can smuggle Americans across the border into Canada? Please man, I have a family!

    NOTE: SpyMoose's claim of having a family may or may not be false, and just included to add drama.
     
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  5. nico Banned Banned

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    Canada

    I hate to say this to Americans, but Canada is a better version of you. Since Canada is basically mini-USA we are basically like you. But for the most of the last 10 years has been the best place to live in the world, we went down because of the Indian living standard which is a Canadian shame. It is estimated that Canada will be the first major nation to be left without a military, *not lying*, albeit I don't expect to happen, but it's indicative of Canada's role. We support nations with aid *sometimes a bit much* but nevertheless we help those in need. We have universal healthcare, and maintain one of the best in the world. We have a government surplus... sounds like the US....LMFAO! Just some facts, *from HDI*:

    Life expectancy:

    USA- 76.9 yrs
    Canada- 79.2 yrs

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    GDP per capita:

    USA:34,320
    Canada:27,130

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    Life expectancy index:

    USA-.86
    Canada-.90

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    Educación Index:

    USA&Canada- .97

    GDP index:

    USA- .97
    Canada- .94

    HDI:

    USA:.937
    Canada:.937

    What makes Canada go down with the US is really her GDP, otherwise we generally live better then Americans. We still have the freedom to protest, to speech, a stable government, international goodwill, and take part if not head peacekeeping operations. Canada should be shamed for her treatment of natives, we need better programs. But otherwise I see little wrong with modern Canada, and by the predictions of the next election...most will continue the liberal dictatorship for 4 more years.
     
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  7. Carnuth i dont Registered Senior Member

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    of course canada is better, the population of canada is the same as in California. A lot of the favorable differences are gone over in the movie "Bowling For Columbine," if you havent seen it, go get it now.
     
  8. Jerrek Registered Senior Member

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    You want equality?

    How about Canada's support for ONE religion: Roman Catholicism. It is the official religion of Canada. The government pays for your education in either a regular school or a Roman Catholic school. Thats equality of religion.

    How about as a person? The First Nations do not pay income tax. Hows that for equality?

    What about the four societies in Canada that are not conscriptable, nor do they pay income tax? That is also equality.

    How about forcing all products to carry English and French, while outlawing Chinese and other languages? Thats equality.

    How about forcing businesses to have their signs in French, but English is optional and if it is there it must be smaller? Thats equality.




    Homosexuals and heterosexuals are already equal. They can both marry any woman that consent. Neither can marry a man. What is so unequal in that?
     
  9. Carnuth i dont Registered Senior Member

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    note: also canada lacks a good beach
     
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    After seeing that weather forecast Canadians everywhere (in Canada at least) gathered together and prayed for the US to exponentially increase its greenhouse gas emissions.

    By the way: If the US was the mean, bloodthirsty, expansionist everyone says we are why haven't we invaded the defenseless Canada yet? Because it is already an unofficial part of us. Canadians, please take no offense.
     
  12. Carnuth i dont Registered Senior Member

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    too lazy for a picture, heres todays forecast!

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    ahh, a high of 70 today

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    winter is lovely

    History & Almanac
    Max Temperature Min Temperature
    Normal 70 °F / 21 °C 49 °F / 9 °C
    Record 91 °F / 33 °C (1979) 37 °F / 3 °C (1909)
    Yesterday 73 °F / 23 °C 46 °F / 8 °C

    Current Conditions
    Updated: 9:47 PM PST on December 04, 2003
    Observed at Los Angeles Downtown, California
    Temperature 55 °F / 13 °C
    Humidity 88%
    Dew Point 52 °F / 11 °C
    Wind Calm
    Wind Gust -
    Pressure 30.06 in / 1017 hPa (Steady)
    Conditions Mist
    Visibility 5 miles / 8 kilometers
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  13. none Registered Member

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    That's only one aspect of the equality of religion. It depends on how you deeply you look into it and how much you make of issue out of it. Canada is tolerant to all forms of religion. That's all it really matters.

    Hey, after we immigrants invaded their lands, they do deserve something for "being here first"...

    What's wrong with carrying both English and French on labels? They're both official languages. And they do NOT outlaw Chinese and other languages. Schools and universities ENCOURAGE students to take third-language courses. Yes, it is equality.

    That's only in Quebec. Get your facts straight. Signs in Toronto are free to be in just English and in any other language related to the business. Chinese signs are most common. One can also see a lot of Arabic, Russian, etc.

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    Only government buildings need to have signs both in French and English, and buildings in Ottawa and New Brunswick because they're both bilingual places. Quebec can choose to have its signage in French only, or bilingual.

    Plus, what does the weather report have anything to do with equality? Equality in temperatures? You want to compare that with the U.S. of A with Alaska and Arizona temperatures?

    However, it is admittable that Canada is the better looking, but, younger and smaller brother of the United States.

    Anyway, this thread is not about Canada being better than the United States, nor is it about the fact that Canada has a nice beach. It is merely about the equality among people in Canada, and I hope we can return to that.
     
  14. Jerrek Registered Senior Member

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    none, get a refund on your education.

    Baa baa baa baa baa baa.

    It isn't tolerance we're discussing. And no that is NOT what really matters. Can you imagine how the democrats and euros would whine if we suddenly say that the official religion in the United States is Southern Baptism, and that they and only they will receive state funding?

    That is NOT equality of religion, no matter how much you bleat.

    Baa Baa Baa ba ababaaa

    Nothing. Did I say anything to the contrary?

    Yes they did. When was the last time you saw Chinese on products in WalMart? It is illegal to label products with only English, or only French. All products must carry both languages, and no third language is permitted. If it is imported it must be stated like that, or in case of a certain price range it must be relabelled.

    What the hell does what universities do have to do with product labelling and third languages??

    And hence Canada. Last time I checked Quebec was still Canada.

    That is because they're not regulated in Toronto, buckwheat. And I don't believe I've said anything to the contrary.

    Nothing? Did I say it has?

    Go sit in the sun and photosynthesize a bit.
     
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    Jesus jerrek, why don't you follow the nice american advice: if you don't like it here then get the fuck out of here.
     
  16. none Registered Member

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    No, it isn't tolerance we are discussing, but neither is posting a picture of a weather map either.

    Pot calling kettle black?

    The Native Peoples deserve an income tax credit. You must not understand that because your ancestral lands weren't taken away. Too bad.

    Last week, I saw labels on the products of Wal-Mart in Chinese and Hindi. Have I missed anything in the last week?

    You said languages other than English and French were banned. They are not in Canada. You really know nothing. Schools and universities here encourage multilingualism and diversity. Americans encourage the melting pot. What else will you bleat?

    Yes, but the last time you checked, Quebec is only a PART of Canada. Don't assume that Quebec is all of Canada and all of Canada is Quebec.

    There's no regulation anywhere regarding signs of foreign languages. I've been to Vancouver and it's not a problem there. I've seen Chinese signs in Montreal. In Ottawa. In Waterloo. In Regina. I've seen Japanese signs in Western Canada. Tamil signs in Hamilton. That's because there IS no rule to such a thing not having foreign signs.

    I should be the one to call you buckwheat.

    Posting an image of a temperature map on a thread about equality? What's that got to do with anything about equality? Elaborate...

    I am new to these forums but it doesn't mean I was born just today and just because you have X posts, it does NOT give you the right to have a holier-than-thou attitude.
     
  17. spuriousmonkey Banned Banned

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    Jerrek lives in Canada but thinks the US is divine.
     
  18. Mystech Adult Supervision Required Registered Senior Member

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    Believe it or not homosexuals come in two flavors, male and female, so this statement is just a bit off, as not all homosexuals are free to marry a woman, and others are free to marry a man.

    Also, if that's your idea of equal protection under the law, then just think about how you would feel if you were only able to marry another man. I bet that sort of "equality" would piss you off. Hmmm, guess it's also a little bit like your freedom to be a good state sponsored. Roman Catholic

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  19. Jerrek Registered Senior Member

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    That is an opinion, not a factual statement, and has absolutely no bearing on the discussion at hand: inequality. Whether they deserve it or not, the fact that certain people, and not just the First Nations, are exempt from income tax. That is not equality.

    You're dreaming.

    Complete the sentence: on product labels.

    Baaaa Baaa Baaa

    I don't recall saying anything to the contrary.

    Unlikely. You just said it is being regulated.

    It has? How?

    Go here.

    So, translate it for both sexes. I believe most people on the forum got the meaning, except you. What does that tell you?

    Then I'd marry a guy. I do enjoy kissing boys you know.
     
  20. truth Registered Senior Member

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    Canada has a shell of military because they rely on the US for military protection and have no ability to do anything about world conflicts like the US has to do. Now what difference do you think it would make if we dropped $300+ billion from our annual budget. Does Canada have to deal with massive intelligence operations? Nope, they rely on the US.

    And this gay marriage crap. A man and a woman are a marriage, not Lance and Julian. Courts have no business legislating, that is the job of the legislature, i.e. the people.

    For healthcare, how long are the waiting lines? Don't give me this crap about universal health care. We have it in the US. I pay for it, it is called Medicaid. People who do not have health insurance can go to low cost facilities were payments are made on sliding scales. No one can be refused medical treatment in the US, go to a downtown hospital and you will see a waiting filled with people using ER doctors as primary care physicians, the taxpayer picks up the tab. Why do think one of the reasons illegals come here for treatment and to have babies?

    To my knowledge the US gives more in foreign aid, to the UN programs, etc. than just about any other country. Spare me the crap!
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  21. none Registered Member

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    Well Jerrek, you have an opinion and so do I. If you like living wherever you live, and you're happy with that, it should be fine with you and so it is fine with me - and vice versa.

    I regard my country as quite free and open compared to other nations which are clearly out of whack (like NK or Belarus), and so long as I'm not being tortured by police and have a person who was rightfully elected, by the people, as a leader, I'm okay.

    Equality is also not a very concrete topic. No one nation can be complete equal in terms of everything - that would be a utopia which unfortunately in humanity cannot exist.

    And by the way, if I'm dreaming, then you must be living in a parallel world when you say that labels in Canada cannot be printed in languages other than English and French? You must also think that the Soviet Union still exists.
     
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    Correct, but do you have any idea of what Canada's military glories were in the past? If not, look it up.

    It would put your military at Canada's level. 10 times the population means ten times the money.

    Incorrect. There is information that CSIS supplies to the American Intelligence community which they did not have and vice-versa.

    I agree with you on this, truth. I think it's just a ploy to get more votes, nothing more, nothing less. Oh, and to divide the people more. United we stand, divided we fall as the cliche goes.

    Me thinks you need to do some basic math. Again, I'm making reference to the population differences. There is another side to this as well. You pay for medicare, but spend money on military. We spend money on healthcare, but not on military. There is a difference, and if we spent that money on military ventures instead of healthcare, we too would have a military force to be reckoned with.
     
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  23. gendanken Ruler of All the Lands Valued Senior Member

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    Jerrek:
    Stuff it. With your quirky logic, then fat Baptist snake-handlers with republican bumper stickers on the orange Datsun is America and not just Alabama


    I've never been to Cananda. Jerrek has it that everything across the northern pass is Roman catholic and fashionably French.

    None:
    As well you should.

    He probaly assumed you were in Zimbabwe or on the moon somewhere where you'd never know that Canadian universities encourage language studies and diversity (as opposed to forcing them which is a key ingredient for dystopias), that signs in Waterloo and Ottowa are not regulated in twisted Jim Crow fashion, that you've seen signs in Chinese in Regina, Japanese in western parts of Canada and that Walmart sells products with labels in not just English or French but Chinese and Hindi as well.

    Jerrek is talking about Mexico but just doesn't know it yet.

    Nico:
    Where England is the aging monarch and America is the hot blooded teenager playing stock markets, Canada is a menopausal middle-aged woman.

    Norad:
    Enlighten me.
     

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