Seriously what can this man say is an "accomplishment"? - Intelligence failure that was 9/11 under his watch. - Gave up the Clintonian era’s weekly terrorism council. - Invaded Afghanistan (legit), and promised it be given much aid and to become a fully functioning country. - 3 years after, they hardly even control Kabul, and the Taliban are actually making a comeback. - Just for a note *Pakistan's two bordering province to Afghanistan have voted in Islamic fundamentalists, Taliban’s.* Shape of things to come, democracy gotta love it. - Economic spiral downwards. - 3 million jobs lost, most of them good paying jobs. - Trade deficit boomed under Bush, and was allowed to unimpeded except for the fruitless steel tariffs, where the US blinked under international pressure. - Outsourcing of jobs is actually a good thing according to the administration. - Jobless recovery, although the administrations says that she will create 2.7 million jobs this year alone. How and where a question unto itself, Wal-Mart is can only do so much. - Budget Surplus of about $200 billion in 2001, to around $550 deficit today. - A projected Budgetary Surplus of $5.6 trillion for the decade, now a $2.3 trillion deficit for the decade ($7.9trillion loss). - Debt was from $5 trillion in '01, to about $6.5+ trillion today, and if elected into another term it is expected to add on $5 trillion more to that debt. - The US attracted less investment then China in 2002. - The US invested more then she got invested into. - Government consumption of the GDP has increased. - In Clinton’s last spending hike it was a mere 3% increase, Bush's latest was 15% - "Bush has created a $1.1 trillion shortfall in government revenues with his tax cuts." -"...the U.S. GAO says that in order for America to balance its books by 2040, it will have to either cut federal spending in half or double the federal tax bite. - Iraq was an "urgent" danger and had to be dealt with. - "Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction." Secretary Powell FOX News Sunday Interview with Tony Snow September 8, 2002 - Iraq was attacked on March 20th, thus began the illegal invasion of Iraq. - Bush has amassed the massive "coalition of the wiling" with only three countries actually doing the fighting, USA, UK, and Australia. Meanwhile many of the states would rather have been anonymous, or played a truly insignificant role. - Up to 12,000 Iraqi civilians died in the ensuing battle. - Hundreds of "wiling" soldiers died as well. - To this day no WMD have been found in Iraq. - To this day there is no real functioning body in either Iraq or Afghanistan. - To this day America faces terror alerts. - No evidence has been found to support the administrations assertion that Saddam and Al Qaeda were in Kibbutz. - Al Qaeda (oddly enough) had to install itself in Iraq after the capitulation of Baghdad. - The Arab street hates the US more then on 9.11. - The US has to pay hundreds of billions for Iraq and Afghanistan (with little foreign assistance), adding to the burden on the budget. - The Administration has increased tensions with other states by calling three of them "Axis of Evil" states. - Effectively ending real progress with NK to get rid of her Nuclear weapons programs, and even long ranged missiles under the Clinton administration. - Rums has indicated that tactical Nuclear weapons will not be spared, and are being developed. - Abandoning the corner stone of nuclear treaties the ABM treaty for a truly useless system NMD. - Increasing Russia's commitment to Nuclear weapons, and scrapping the START III treaty. - Increased military spending from around $276 billion in 2001 to $400 billion today, and expected to boon to $1 trillion by the end of this decade. Where the money will come from, we don't know. - Who will pay for the baby boomers? We don't know. - Bush has alienated the rest of the world. And so much more... So what can this man run on?
I figure his slogans are going to be. "Kerry diddled an intern and doesn't have a high enough moral standard to run a nation." "The economy isn't that bad, really it isn't look at the dow the rich are getting richer" "Were saving the world! two middle eastern countries at a time" "I gave you Tax refunds, don't worry where the money came from, vote for me and I'll give you another" and of course The democrats are "Evil-Doers"
In the words of an inspired Bushin30seconds clip: 9/11,9/11, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, God bless America. Lets see: - war on terror. Captured people. They are terrorists. If they aren't, why are they wearing orange jump suits Hmm? - he's a bigot just like you are. Marriage is a sacred institution. It's between a man and a woman. - economy is going to recover. Whitehouse predicts 70 billion jobs to be created in the next 1/2 hour. - Tax cuts. Chances are you got fuck all, but hey. - Outstanding success of war on environment - No involvement in Martha Stewart fraca. - Don't the french suck?
Bush will run on the fact that he's a "Christian" from Texas, and well, that's enough to get about 40% of the vote. And if he fooled anyone with his reality distorting acts and laws: NCLB Act that shutdowns public schools instead of improving etc. The Patriot Act.. I'm not sure how 'patriot' comes into that steaming pile of rights lost. "Saving our forests from fire!"... by cutting them down so we get 'em before the flame does! People will believe the nice cover of the book, because they're too lazy to open it up. And the middle-aged women in the bible belt just love when Georgie uses the word 'god' a lot in his speeches!
The economy is doing great for many people, the unemployment is going down, Americans are safer that before because they haven't had an incident like 9/11 since then, the home sales are at all time highs, the car sales are also very good, the average loan rates are the lowest in over 40 years, inflation is at 2 percent, the military is getting what they need to get the job done in the Middle East and Osama Bin Laden will be caught soon.
Last time I checked poverty has increased under Bush. Compared to the 4% that Bush came in with? The unemployment rate is way up, also the VAST majority of those 1000 jobs per month being created are low wage jobs. This is not what an economy is built on. The Anthrax attacks, increased international terrorism against Australians, Pakistanis, Israeli's and American and British interests? Are you so sure? Oh how the mighty will fall, when the Fed increases interest rates, the average American will not be able to pay back those "costs". American private debt has simply exploded. Inflation in the US has hit its lowest level for nearly 38 years, according to the latest official data. The figures showed prices fell slightly last month, bringing the annual rate of underlying inflation down to 1.1%. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/3325501.stm Really? At the cost of the US budget, debt, economic future, and social programs. You should feel proud when your taxes are doubled to maintain your logic.
Undecided........You asked what Bush should run on and I gave you what he has accomplished. The unemployment has gone down from over a 6.5 percent high to now in the 5.5 percent range. That is going down isn't it? You are a twister of words, are you some kind of shill for the democrats? The items I have spoken about aren't twisted around like you like to do. If Gore was in the Presidents office and he had the same problems that Bush has had I would state what he had done to help America not try to destroy what he did by twisting what people say. Look at my words about terrorist attacks and you will see I sain nothing like 9/11 has happened, then look what your reply was. You really like to twist things around, don't you.
Yah, you're right about that; we haven't been attacked since 9/11... but have you thought about the thousands of dead Iraqis? Do they have a national holiday for our invasion/massacre?
Undecided........You asked what Bush should run on and I gave you what he has accomplished. Let's focus on this shall we? Accomplish means to get better then before, to get better then before would mean to get below the 4% rate of Clinton era, or at least maintaining it. As of today Bush has accomplished nothing on this front. The unemployment has gone down from over a 6.5 percent high to now in the 5.5 percent range. The wages of these employees are low, these are jobs you want let alone proud of? You are a twister of words, are you some kind of shill for the democrats? No I merely tell the reality of the situation, if Bush goes on like this he will be the second president to ever have had a net loss of jobs. The items I have spoken about aren't twisted around like you like to do. LOL! ok. Look at my words about terrorist attacks and you will see I sain nothing like 9/11 has happened, That is SO irrelevant is it not even funny, Americans today are under the constant threat against another 9.11, American first responders have failed time and again to respond to an attack, and guess who is cutting their budgets? That's right GWB, what a patriot. then look what your reply was. You really like to twist things around, don't you Well at least I don't lie, alas you, nothing you have said has proven me incorrect, and nothing you have shown proves me incorrect. Thus by logical deduction I am right.
ya ur so un-bias and truthfull average person doesn't care about US foreign policy what they do care about is the tax refund of 600-1500 dollars coming up in april 15th and the 2.5% lowering of taxes taken from their paychek. And you think the word "deficit" registers with people they know its just an exagurated outcry. The deficit is 4% of gdp or some other indicator after ww2 it was 50% of that indicator somehow it got paid back. To an average person the word deficit means nothing. Screaming for american jobs to be saved won't do it its simply much nicer to pay a percon 15 cents an hour instead of 15 dollars this is beyond the reach of a government this is ecconomics and they dictate that the cheapest and most efficient labor should get the job. They will be replaced by something else probably higher paying. But its ok my vote goes to Bush and no matter how much you scream in the opposite direction voting is what counts. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! P.S. the dot com bust kinda had something to do with some of those programmers loosing their jobs dont you think? if you would like some constructive debate instead of this parody of a democracy come to www.rogueshark.co.uk
Undecided ....Your just another person that only wants to see things they way you want them to be not as they are. If that is what you think is happening then so be it. You can live in your own world of inuendo and bias but reality one day will set you free. It is people like yourself that make people worry about what's happening because your the type that likes to embelish stories as the way you want them to be. So go right on and show everyone here how you can distort facts and truths with your twisted ways of writting.
What a shock, an ad hom reply from a republican! Undecided ....Your just another person that only wants to see things they way you want them to be not as they are. No, because I am not a democrat, nor am I a republican. I am not affiliated with a party. So politically I have little bias on this issue. What I see is what is out there. If that is what you think is happening then so be it. It's not what I think it happening it is what I know is happening. There is a difference. You can live in your own world of inuendo and bias but reality one day will set you free. You surely haven't this ad hom discussion you are having with me is not disproving anything that I have said. What you are trying to do (in vain) is somehow defile me by saying "I am right you are wrong, because I believe that you are x". You have yet to actually show what your position is apart from being against what I have written. Show me, don't blow me. *is it innuendo you were trying to say*? It is people like yourself that make people worry about what's happening because your the type that likes to embelish stories as the way you want them to be. Where is the embellishment? Do show. So go right on and show everyone here how you can distort facts and truths with your twisted ways of writting. I haven't seen your facts to support this assertion, start showing me that I am wrong, not saying I am because you know as well as I do that your "your wrong" screaming means quite little.
about is the tax refund of 600-1500 dollars coming up in april 15th and the 2.5% lowering of taxes taken from their paychek. But polls suggest that ppl in the US would rather have the same tax burden as they did under Clinton, then have a Bush economy. And you think the word "deficit" registers with people they know its just an exagurated outcry. Of course that is a lie, the deficit does play a major role in any efforts to pay for programs in the future. The deficit it is expected will not be solved under Bush, and may even stay at $400 billion+ until 2009. What does that mean? Well who is going to pay for the baby boomers when there is $2 trillion short fall in revenue? Who is going to pay for the added $5 trillion of debt? The US still pays on it's debt payments and when the US dollar goes up so do the payments. The deficit is 4% of gdp or some other indicator after ww2 it was 50% of that indicator somehow it got paid back. I would like to see a source for the WWII assertion, and the latest budget deficit I believe is actually more around 6% of the GDP, the highest in US history. To an average person the word deficit means nothing. So that excuses the deficit then? In total disregard for the serious economic damage that does in the long run? Screaming for american jobs to be saved won't do it its simply much nicer to pay a percon 15 cents an hour instead of 15 dollars this is beyond the reach of a government this is ecconomics and they dictate that the cheapest and most efficient labor should get the job. I support Globalization, thus this appeal is not going to work for me. But to the so called "average joe" yes this does mean a lot. But its ok my vote goes to Bush and no matter how much you scream in the opposite direction voting is what counts. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! So you would vote for someone who you knowingly can do harm to your country? That is not being very patriotic now is it? Or is it that you are in the "cult of the personality" that Bush seems to have created with the ilk like you?
I don't vote because all politicans are cheats, liars and crooks. It's just that some of them are better at disguising themselves as being helpful when the truth is they are looking out for those in their camps. I have never registered to vote and never will. I'm not a republican but a moderate looking at both sides and evaluating as best I can as to what the facts are.
well undicided i doubt any arguments i have for the other side will have any bearing on helping you realize not everyone thinks like YOU or like People you know... some think differently. And if bush is the antichrist then i m still gonna vote for him because i believe my own inner self rathern then you guilting me into believing your embelishments and lies.
Watch it, ya'll. Do not make me close/delete this thread. Undecided, settle down, please. I don't want more PMs in my inbox.
