yeah... I do think this is the start of WW3, but it has nothing to do with a silly 'prophet'. Nothing he said could have stopped those indescribably cruel men from killing 10,000's of people and destroying national landmarks. We must NEVER downplay this, because it is an attack on America and all Americans. It is WWIII not in the sense of a complicated alliance-based all out war like WWII, but in that we will have to eradicate terrorism-all terrorism-all over the world and it will involve all of us together...this is nothing new, we have always needed to do this, now we have the reason to pursue this.
WW3? Wasn't that the Cold war???? Get with the times it's about WW4-5 now, if of course it turns to full blown war, I don't think it will unless the press manipulates it so. If anything this might be the catalyst for better relations with other countries, So the people that have died in these Terrorist attacks might have become martyr's to a new dawning of understanding through working with our fellow man, Of course the question "is everybody going to turn Genephobic? or will it work out the other way with People standing sdie by side in unison to crush continued terrorism on all fronts?" After all if terrorism is to be crushed for one ally through the others coming to their side, should they not too have their cases of terrorism crushed also?
Once again that quote from Nostradamus is fake. It was made up to show how gullible people are and it worked. It'll probably be in an e-mail inbox near you soon. Someone already brought this up on Slashdot. According to a local radio station Nostradamus is batting a 200. Considering how much he wrote that's really bad. I wouldn't take it seriously even if he did actually write it. Anything less that 50% is usually considered a lucky guess. He's got 20% accurracy. He's no prophet. Just someone who know how to be vague and is in touch with world issues. Stryder: The "Cold War" wasn't a real war hence "Cold" as in no fighting. Just a mutual fear. Whether or not this turns into a war has nothing to do with the press. Besides this is already a war. We're just looking for the enemy. If you've been watching the news you would hear the attack on New York and DC refered to as "an act of war." You should pay attention more. You'll learn much. Ben
I would still say the Cold war was a war, A war of Propaganda, a war of spreading lies and rumours to continue a fear that was never allowed to rise. As an Act of war I think not unless a country is proved behind the hiring of these men as mercenary. Unless you mean an Act of war on terrorism, after all Ben did you not realise that the statement at first was adorned by the press and the military (most definitely the military, but that's what they are there waiting for, and war is money and premotions.) As for paying attention I do, I must of read your statement to reply, otherwise I would be cowering, and thats not something I'm going to do as I realise your a challenging kind of guy.. and I respect that.
I heard the idea that this would lead the world into war from the Howard Stern Show at about 11am on Tuesday morning. I was thinking war before I even heard that. As soon as I realized what exactly happened I knew this was too big to not go to war over. I told a reporter for the local Tribune an hour or so later I thought it would lead to war. She was taken back by that. It wasn't something the media brought to air until several hours if not a day later. At least until after the Bush speech the first night. It's not a media thing. This is reality. It's a war and should not be trivialized with accusations of people looking for money and promotions. That's absolutly absurd. We have a real and apparent reason to go to war and that is what we are doing. Ben
And when the shopping precinct in Manchester, England was blown up, Where was our war? When a Spanish Judge is blown up in a car or people boarding a plane are threatened, Who claims war for them? When South Africa has bombs explode and people killed over their car's who claims war for them? The first act of war for all you know could have been the assasination of a Palestinian Leader, which mimics something that occured at the beginning of one of our world wars (Austria) The other question here, is who do you have a war with if you can't find the enemy as a whole people, what if you find that geurilla's take an area of a country for their own and then go into hiding of it, does it mean you blame that country, which probably can't police itself because of poverty and trade embargo's. Seriously, this time I don't think the world should be pushed into war, Legislation yes, war.. no, peace keeping, perhaps if it's found necessary. I know some of you americans will want blood, But some other peoples of the world don't work like that and this is especially seen in war crimes commisions, perhaps that would be a better use for the want of war, you want the characters brought to justice under war crimes, now that could be arranged.
The word "war" when used in the term "cold war" is purely metaphorical. That was basically a bunch of people standing in their doorways saying "i don't like you", I think it lessens what people who fought in WWI and WWII did to compare the cold war with those global atrocities. I definitely have fear that this could lead to WWIII. I hope our governement isn't inclined to drag the entire world into war over this. And I hope we're all intelligent enough to know that military action alone is not going to put a stop to terrorism, that's been proven time and time again. The problem goes a lot deeper than mere violence can penetrate. I'm a little concerned at the comments of both my fellow Americans AND of the comments of the people from other countries here. I, for one, have expected an attack of this sort on American soil for a long time, and I'm quite frankly surprised it took so long for someone to do it. And while I don't think ANYONE really deserves to have something like this happen to their friends and/or family members, I'm amazed that we Americans are so surprised. We have, after all, been the global bully both militarily and financially for a good long time, without showing remorse for our ruthless pursuit of "me me me". At the same time, I'm amazed that so many people from OTHER countries have such a "holier than thou" attitude toward us. None of your governments are squeaky clean either. We may be the single most powerful country both econimically and militarily, but that does not make our leaders any more or less slimy than anyone elses, it just gets us a little more global hate because no single country can really threaten us. And for All my fellow Americans that are so blood thirsty right now, It's naive to think that we can just do anything we want anywhere in the world without the possibility of consequences. We don't want to turn the entire world against us, if it ever turns out to be the world against the US we'll have to run home with our tail between our legs and worry about defending our homeland. Now I'm not sure I believe that even if every country in the world came to invade the US that it would be successful. Mostly because if that happens your not just dealing with our military, your dealing with a country that's given it's people enough freedom to become EXTREMELY well armed in the private sector too, foreign forces would not be dealing with farmers with pitchforks and machetes, but with people of every sort who are as well or better armed than some third world countries' military forces. But I don't have any illusions about the US being able to defeat everyone else at the same time. In any event, lets hope it never comes to that, for all of our sakes, because I think that US policy would be to destroy everything if it looks like we're going to fall. And unfortunately for everyone, we have the capability to make the entire world a very inhospitable place for a very long time. We the people of the world have a lot of growing up to do. We as a species seem to be unconcerned with behaviors that I personally believe are leading to self-extinction. We are overpopulated, we're so concerned with money (and that goes for all of us) that we don't care that we're destroying the hospitality of our environment for future generations. We're messing around with our DNA without really understanding what long term consequences may be. We think we're completely separated from the healthy weeding out process that is natural selection. I fear for the future of the human race, and to tell the truth I think war should be the least our worries. The idea of cloning children for people who can't have children naturally scares me a lot more, because that's basically thumbing our nose at natural selection, and we've all seen that nature can dish out horrors that make anything we can do look silly by comparison. When we start ignoring the natural checks and balances we were given by whatever greater powers may or may not be (and we have), we have much bigger things to worrie about than planes being flown into buildings or bombs being dropped on cities. Those are just symptoms of a much graver problem.
KALVINB No actually that statement wasnt made up. It came from actual quatrains across the internet on different sites, before I even knew of sciforums. I already saw the fake one posted on this site.
No, no, no, not a war, please. It makes things worse, don't you see? That is just what they want..........A big war. Don't get into that trap, please. No war, please, no war, I am so afraid Nature will not survive another war, for it will be a nuclear war. I am so afraid, no war, please, think about our Earth. We live here, we all do. There must be a solution... Somehow.
Banshee, at first I felt the same way you do. Now I'm not so sure. I'm starting to think that a war that greatly reduces the number of people on the planet may be the only hope future generations have of not only living in a hospitible environment, but of having the opportunity to build a more nature-friendly society. I don't think it's nature itself you need to worry about, but the ability of the people to live with it. I'm of the opinion that nature itself is a lot less fragile than our one species. There is plenty of life on this planet that could adapt to conditions we could not, and human overpopulation is a real and tangible problem, at least for humans it is. We are no true danger to nature.
There will be a war because whoever did this is not going to just take their punishment. We might as well face the fact that we're going to war. If Afganastan makes good on it's word it will be a very large and bloody battle and no doubt it will seep into our borders again. It will be bad for a time but when the dust settles it will be good. Violence only begets violence if you can't stand behind your punches. Ben
I have seen "Cold War" mentioned several times in this thread. I watched a historian on Tv today who claimed that the "Cold War" was, in truth, the final gasp of WWI. I think that the war with terrorism has been waged for many past years in the Middle East and Europe. It has now escalated beyond its past confines. Once again, America is dragged into another battle.
This is exactly what those terrorists want. To set up moslims to no moslims. Especially that Bin Laden. He is laughing there in his dessert or where ever he may be. They want USA to go fighting, so Bin Laden can say You see, I am right, all Americans are bad news. Well, I have news for him. Let him come out and let me have him for half an hour. I assure you I won't kill him. Just a little torture, nothing more. Put out his nails and that kind of stuff. Maybe I too have a knife, a not so sharp one, so it hurts more when I start to carve in him..... Bring him to me, I know some really nasty tortures..... But he is a coward, why doesn't he show up and fight straight. Not like this....... All those people, it is to terrible for words, to terrible........ But a war is not the solution, no, please, no...... Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
Banshee, I agree with your statement 'please no war' but I still dont think it's right to torture them. That would only force more violence. Stick 'em in prison.
psychics Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! I'm wondering where all those psychics where, when we really needed them? You know that you can't trust the military or CIA, they're always asleep at the wheel. But what happened to Sister Cleo? To Richard Hoaglund? To all those people that come on the 'Art Bell Show' and 'Dreamland', hey you missed your chance to prove you actually can see into the future. I missed all the psychics barricading the World Trade Center, to save all those lives. Where were the phone trees & email spams? I'm sure a few people woke up to their horoscopes & personal psychics, why the silence until after the fact? Could be, it doesn't work? Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
Bang bang About the Nostradamus thing, couldn't someone have just based his actions on the quote? It's the other way around: instead of predicting the future, it's making the prophesy happen. About a war, that's incredibly crazy, as well as disastrous for the entire world. What about the stocks? What will happen later on, when the falling rates decline and the world is thrown into another depression? It's kind of embarrassing actually, because the minute I heard about the attack, I immediately thought about the money lost and the falling dollar value. Of course I thought about the casualties, but it came second instead of first. Well, that's just my reflection. Call me hard-hearted, call me insensitive, but for once, think about the future, not the present.
Prophecy works this way: There will be another major manmade disaster in the east coast in the next 8 years. Why? If we do not solve this problem - there is a greater chance... East Coast? Too many people, terrorists can come by way of Canada and hide and get most bang for the effort. 8 years? 1993 to 2001, so lay low until everybody is comfey... If it does not happen, no one will remember. If it happens, I can say, aha! I told you so. Such is the power of prediction. About Economy: It will pick up steam in 2 months. Why? The Governments in US, UK, Germany will spend a lot of money on IT related work to improve the infrastructure (presently it is dismal). That will create new jobs in computer, telecomm, disaster preparedness, etc. which inturn will help other industries. In the meantime, the transporation industry will get revamped at the expense of airline....and so on...
Perhaps a lot of psychics have felt very uneasy for several weeks before the attack. Yeah, easy talking after the disaster happened. But you never know, real psychics rarely speak of what they feel. Maybe some one told them once too many that he/she is a crazy fool. So psychics feel uneasy and tell themselves it will be the ful moon or something like that...... Til the disaster happens and they feel real cold inside and sad and some of them have to cry, til now, every day, because all those lives are gone.....taken by terrorists. No one, really no one, has the right to take the life from another human being. And maybe the time has come to listen better and pay more attention to things happening around you. Who can tell what you will see, really see.....
