How Long?

Discussion in 'General Science & Technology' started by coltallen, Aug 9, 2001.

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  1. coltallen Registered Member

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    I am new to this board and to tell you the truth I am not as knowledgeable as I would like to be on astronomy. I have always loved to listen and discuss ideas though. But I have a few questions on your opinions.

    I am curious to see what your thoughts are on how long it will take us to achieve our goals. Here are the things I would like to see in my lifetime and in your honest opinion how long from now do you think it will take to happen:

    Bring back to Earth anything from Mars(Rock, Dust)?

    Create a Space Station capable of harbering human life?

    Put a man on Mars?

    Establish A Colony on Mars?

    Find other Life?

    I also have a few more qeustions that I find interesting to talk about. The only problem is that only about 1% of the population wants to talk about this kind of stuff so I havent had much luck. Thank you whoever you are for inventing the internet!!! But here are my other questions:

    Has other life already found us(Roswell true or false? Personal I really dont know on this one. It was covered up pretty good by the government, but it very well could have been our own technology that they were covering up as well)?

    If other life has already found us then why haven't they enslaved us and ripped our planet of minerals?
     
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  3. 01001010 ... unique ... Registered Senior Member

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    Maybe in 3 - 5 years.
    Maybe in 5 - 10 years.
    Maybe in 10 - 15 years.
    Maybe in about 20 years. (the moon will probably be first)
    ? (who says we haven't yet?)
    I do think that life has found us (and crashed in Roswell) but Area 51 is meerly a military base to test developing technology.
    Maybe they are secretly ripping our planet of it's resources. Maybe they are enslaving us, maybe by abducting people, cloning them, and using them as slaves.

    But let's say we found a [more primitive] species on another planet, would we enslave them? I don't think so. We would probably observe and perform tests on them, much like people claim aliens do today.
     
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  5. Chagur .Seeker. Registered Senior Member

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    Hi, 01001010 ...

    Who determines who is 'more primitive'?
    If history is any indicator of what our response would be, isn't it more likely that we would label them 'savages' and either enslave them or eliminate them?

    Just wondering.
     
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  7. 01001010 ... unique ... Registered Senior Member

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    Re: Hi, 01001010 ...

    I would guess a species that would not be able to defend itself against our technology, whether it be a fish-type species or a human-like species, would be concidered "more primitive." Any civilization that is technologically equall or advanced, i would guess, wouldn't be labled "primitive."
     
  8. Chagur .Seeker. Registered Senior Member

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    Interesting ...

    And what if it turns out that they are technological duds but are telepathic, capable of limited teleportation and have been able to modify their biological environment to a degree where no technology is needed to survive, not even a knife.

    Are they still 'primitive'?
     
  9. wet1 Wanderer Registered Senior Member

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    On the original question I will take a guess...
    We will most likely see a sample of samplings within the next 10 years. We seem to heading for Mars at full blast (government speed) and will be seeing mobile probes of varing types arriving there soon. I would hope that the security of the Mars samples would be better handled than the moon ones were. A recent investigation into the storage procedures of moon rocks and samples at Huntsville showed that they were contaminated beyond use for the earlier missions and that only the last mission had pristine samples. The contamination was of plastic, human hair, earthly dust, and the like. What a shame after spending so much money and effort to have this as the result to show for it.

    As far as creating a space station...
    For now it is a good dream. Our government and NASA do not at present set this as goal number 1. The costs are tremendous and until the cost per pound drops to a more reasonable level this will not happen. They are presently testing the engines from the X33 project with the idea of using scram jets for lifting into low orbit. Should those tests be optimal, the very best, then the design and implementation of the craft would probably be on the order of10 years minimum.
     
  10. Bebelina kospla.com Valued Senior Member

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    Time is irrelevant!

    It´s all here already. The moment it enters our mind is moment of it´s realisation.

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  11. Cris In search of Immortality Valued Senior Member

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    Ah I wish it were that easy, that my dreams would come true just by dreaming them.
     
  12. wet1 Wanderer Registered Senior Member

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    It's really hard to prod, poke, and test dreams.
     
  13. Cris In search of Immortality Valued Senior Member

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    Riiight!! You've noticed huh!
     
  14. wet1 Wanderer Registered Senior Member

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    Yeah, it came upon me one night in a dream!

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  15. Teg Unknown Citizen Registered Senior Member

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    This is a difficult question because the travel time to Mars is one limiting factor and the gravity of Mars, the second. Creating a unit capable of moving out of the Moons orbit (0 gravity) and the orbit of Mars (3/4 gravity of Earth) are two very different matters. In creating a vehicle able to exit Mars orbit, requires proper landing equipment and a engine suitable for blasting off twice. I can only guess how close we are to this goal. 10-20 years.

    This question depends upon your definition of "Space Station". Mir was a Space Station. In those terms this has already been done. 0years(or negative if you like)

    This would be a difficult task. Mars lacks a suitable atmosphere. We would need to create a way of sustaining oxygen for indefinite periods of time. 100-200years

    This is doubtful due to the restrictions of space. We are 4 light years from the nearest star. We are incapable of traveling at a velocity that will bring us to that star in the lifetime of one person. We must assume it is also difficult for other lifeforms to travel to us. An educated guess would be never.

    I doubt there is any validity in the rumors of Area 51. The government has a bad track record of keeping secrets. The time that has passed makes this more doubtful as secrets are almost always revealed by deathbed confessions.

    Assuming an alien lifeform found us, it is unlikely that they would be violent. It seems likely that if that was the case they would have destroyed themselves long ago, as we are in the process of doing now. Any life capable of traversing the great expanse of space would surely be technologically beyond the need of natural resources.
     
  16. wet1 Wanderer Registered Senior Member

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    Welcome to Sciforums, Teg.
    I like your points.
    The Mars lander was to have brought up back samples but the craft of the mission was lost. The lander went down and no more was ever heard from it. It failed to regain contact after the landing.

    Mir was not really a space station in the sense of passengers boarding and leaving for other destinations in space. It was more like a bus stop at a school or reasearch lab. The orbit of both Mir and Iss is in Leo (low earth orbit) to be effectively served as a true space station requires more, a higher orbit.
     
  17. 01001010 ... unique ... Registered Senior Member

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    yeah...
     
  18. Agent Registered Member

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    Interesting....
     
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