Virginity

Discussion in 'SciFi & Fantasy' started by WildBlueYonder, Feb 23, 2004.

  1. I would like to broach a subject on the human anatomy that I posted in an other thread. I am posting here, since I think the answer has many implications, including moral, which I think that a broader audience should respond to. Please read the following post, follow the link, then answer. Thanks.

    “Harbinger
    I know it’s just a series on TV, but I was thinking about the episode of ‘Enterprise’ where T’Pol had sex with Tucker. And to me, that was not logical for a Vulcan to have a fling, even for scientific reasons. Because of the body-to-body contact, the smells, the sounds, and touching that she would have with humans.

    In human life, there is nothing we do that is more intimate than sex, where we are both ‘in’ each other, you can’t be more ‘naked’, both body & soul, or more ‘exposed’, weaknesses, lies, frailties, egos, than when you are having sex. The Bible says that the ‘two become one’ in Matthew 19:5, I think that is what it means, we are bonded together.

    For T’Pol to abandon her Vulcan resolve, means that she either really likes Tucker or that the writers threw that in for ‘Ratings Week’.

    Now here are some really serious questions: Do Vulcans have the concept of ‘virginity’? Does the female of their species have a hymen? Would she also have a clitoris? Would she experience the ‘Big O’? How human are they?

    Then the next question is more philosophical: Why do human females have hymens and clitorises? What biological advantage does it infer? What reason would they evolve? Not being a farm boy or veterinarian to know, do other female primates & mammals have them too? "

    Please do not respond here, answer in the following link:

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  3. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    I imagine that the hymen might protect against foreign objects entering the body. Alternatively, it may be some kind of vestigal feature with no real evolutionary significance.

    The clitoris and the penis are different developmental forms of essentially the same organ in human beings.

    It is of great biological advantage to find sex pleasurable, for obvious reasons.

    I am sure they do.
     
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  5. SwedishFish Conspirator Registered Senior Member

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    why is this entitled virginity?
     
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  7. sargentlard Save the whales motherfucker Valued Senior Member

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    Ask Gene Roddenberry or his wife since Vulcan isn't a known species.
     
  8. SwedishFish Conspirator Registered Senior Member

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    send this down to scifi
     
  9. Bells Staff Member

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    Errrmmm I have to agree with Sarge, Vulcans aren't a real breed but are simply fictional characters on TV. How does this even apply to something that is not real but fictional? So isn't it a bit strange to speculate what a fictional character would think of the concept of virginity? It is to me anyway. Maybe I'm just strange

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  10. SpyMoose Secret double agent deer Registered Senior Member

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    other mammals do indeed have hymens and clitorises, except for hyenas, both gender of hyena have a penis. (Fun fact)

    Women and men are made from the same stock parts, men have nipples they have no use for (though a man can lactate if stimulated properly) men also have large empty cavity where a vagina would be located in a female. You may find some interesting facts regarding gender if you study early fetal development, or procedures for sex changing operations, most any part a man has a woman has a corresponding part. Testicles and ovaries for instance are very similar organs, labia and scrotum tissue are essentially the same stuff, and a clitoris is like an under developed penis.

    You might want to study hermaphrodites. What sexual organs you have are not always determined by what chromosomes you have. The various configurations that people who fall under the term hermaphrodite have are very telling of the similarities between the two accepted genders and there are more of them than you may think. The division between the two genders is not as stark as our culture tends to make it out to be.

    Of course none of this applies to space pussy.
     
  11. SpyMoose Secret double agent deer Registered Senior Member

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    Oh man, are hermaphrodites conversation killers or what?
     
  12. Mystech Adult Supervision Required Registered Senior Member

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    I hypothesize that vulcan women have extreemly callous foot long tentacle clits.

    Now if you'll excuse me I'm going to write some fan-fic.
     
  13. Ozymandias Unregistered User Registered Senior Member

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    Howabout snails? They are hermaphrodites. They shoot calcium darts into their mate which bears their chromosomes. Sometimes they hit a vital vein and kill their loved one.

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    As far as Vulcans go, I have no idea. They're fiction.
     
  14. Disco-neck Ted Registered Senior Member

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    Nah, people are probably just smirking too hard over the phrase "space pussy" to type.

    As for similarities between men and women, studies show that during the first seven weeks in the womb, a male human fetus (XY chromosomal arrangement) is indistinguishable from a female. Not really a stretch of the imagination, is it? But, at week eight, "male" hormones will trigger the fetus to develop into a male. Testes form. And if the fetus is "immune" to androgen, it will never develop into a male and will instead become essentially a sterile female.

    Getting back to the original topic, Vulcans are very curious folk. That would be a reason, perhaps, just to get some cosmic nookie in the name of science.

    On the other hand, people (or vulcans) can follow their gods in a manner that allows them to rationalize almost any behavior. The prime being, or Logic in the case of vulcans, says, "Love thy neighbor" and people will go to war over exactly how loving they should be. Really, T'pol could logic her way into jumping the guy, methinks.

    Lastly, there is the little matter that vulcans aren't unemotional, more that they are not ruled by their emotions. The Pon Far is just a time when their emotions get all outta hand and overrule their logic. This doesn''t mean they never do anything based on emotion, but perhaps only act on emotional matters when emotion is in accord with logic.
     

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