A cry for help from Afganistan

Discussion in 'World Events' started by tablariddim, Sep 19, 2001.

  1. tablariddim forexU2 Valued Senior Member

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    From the BBC news website:
    This piece has been written by one of the trapped Afghans at the Pakistan border. He has a passport and valid visa but cannot get across to join his family who are in Peshawar.

    The unpleasant happening of last Tuesday - that timid terrorist action - greatly depressed me and all the people of Afghanistan.

    We would like to share our condolences with the people of the United States, particularly with the families that lost their loved ones.

    People are very worried because they have experienced the invasion of the Russian Red Army and the civil war, and the bitterness of those experiences is still with them

    We want to stretch our hands to assist those who have suffered, since we have experienced something similar in our country in the past two decades.

    But unfortunately, except expressing our sorrow and sympathy, we can do nothing else from this long distance.

    We pray to Almighty Allah that such actions don't take place in the future.

    We have heard the rumours of the possibility of US military forces attacking Afghanistan under the pretext of arresting Osama Bin Laden and punishing the Taleban.

    The people of Afghanistan, particularly those from the cities, are wandering hither and thither.
    All who have the ability to leave are migrating to safer places.

    The highways between the capital and provinces and centres of provinces to rural areas are full of means of transportation and vehicles.

    Those who can are leaving Only those who cannot afford to leave the cities are waiting, looking forward to an uncertain future.

    The prices of food and other materials such as fuel are getting higher and higher and have gone up by 10-15%.

    'Do not act in haste'

    People are very worried because they have experienced the invasion of the Russian Red Army and the civil war, and the bitterness of those experiences is still with them.

    Therefore, the government of the United States must not be in a hurry to respond.

    We accept that bearing such humanitarian concerns is very difficult for the US Government and the people of America.

    Afghans count America as one of their friends... the US should not convert its friends to enemies

    But it is a fact that influential people and countries have great patience.

    Hurrying to respond to last week's attacks will have no other results except bloodshed and devastation of the innocent people of Afghanistan.

    America has assisted Afghan people a lot, particularly during the time of the uprising against the Russian invasion and the rehabilitation of Afghanistan.

    People here will never forget that and Afghans count America as one of their friends.

    The United States should keep this feeling in mind and not convert its friends to enemies.

    America must not spend millions of dollars to devastate the country on which it has spent millions of dollars to fight against the Russians.

    'Afghans have suffered'

    If America attacks Afghanistan it would result in innocent Afghans suffering.

    What will be the difference then between those who committed the recent attacks in New York and Washington, and America?


    Two million Afghans have fallen victim in the past two decades and up to now the tears of orphans have not dried, the cries of widows have not stopped. Thousands of children have been orphaned, America must not create thousands more widows and orphans. Because the innocent will be used as an armour in this fight.

    An end should be put to the sadness and worries of our people.

    In case, according to the US, the accused people are in Afghanistan, what wrong have the innocent people of Afghanistan done?

    Humanitarian crisis

    At a time when starvation and droughts are threatening our people, the only hope our people have is the humanitarian assistance through NGOs and the UN.

    In case war breaks out, such aid will be stopped and as a result, the world will be witness to a big humanitarian disaster.

    At the end I would request you that these few points must not be counted as mere words.

    This is the voice that is expressed from the hearts of our people.
     
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  3. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Valued Senior Member

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    What would help American perception ...

    ... would be a few clips of massive Afghani protests in the streets, demanding that "their" government hand over Bin Laden and sign an international agreement to stop harboring known terrorists.

    It would definitely make it harder on Americans watching their planes rain fire from the sky.

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  5. Xerxes asdfghjkl Valued Senior Member

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    Thankyou Tablaridim!

    These fools dont understand the situation. They want war and bloodshed. They dont even know for sure if Osama was the leader. There are tons of people who could have orchestrated it. Dont forget the likes of Saddam Hussein. I dont want war, but it is likely that it will happen if the taliban does not give bin Laden. My advice to your country; give up bin Laden. He was probably one of the guys behind it. I totally disagree with the taliban's policy on protecting people at your residence but if I was leader then it would be a belief I would respect. Given that they at least respect my beliefs and negotiate with us on how we were to get these guys behind bars. Right now neither side is respecting eachother and that will lead to war. I wish I was president....that way we wouldnt be so close to war.


    As for Saddam and bin Laden--same shit, different pile. I'll let G-d take care of them. My prayers go out to you and your people.

    Good Luck
     
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  7. tablariddim forexU2 Valued Senior Member

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    Unfortunately

    most of them probably don't have TV and the news they receive are one sided. Probably all they've heard is that the great satan wants to bomb them out of existence. To them it's just another ordinary day, because all they've ever known is war. The thing is that if Bin Laden is so clever and wily he's probably already left Afghanistan. And if the Americans and their allies do conduct a massive attack (great band btw) they'll be playing right into a trap. The Afghani martyrs will spawn a thousand Bin Ladens world wide!

    Elbaz
    It's not my country, the letter is from the BBC news website.
     
  8. kmguru Staff Member

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    Re: What would help American perception ...

    Great idea. Who is going to tell them? I hope they figure it out for themselves. But mob psychology as is...I doubt they will do the right thing...
     
  9. Bowser Namaste Valued Senior Member

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    Excuse this, but I've noticed that the Afghani people are rather attractive.

    What a shame...
     
  10. KalvinB Publicity Whore Registered Senior Member

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    Obviously the "innocent" Afgans know what's comming. Get out. Protest against your government. Protest against Bin Laden.

    If you want us to feel sorry for you, you're going to have to first demonstrate openly that you are against the hate and violence that Bin Laden preaches against the US.

    If you can't do that then you're not all that innocent. 2 Million died over 10 years with Russia fighting your corrupt government. Maybe you should have taken a stand against it. If you support your evil government then why should we call you innocent?

    "How are American's better?"

    This isn't the first time Bin Laden has terrorized Americans. This is the last straw. You obviously aren't too interested in fixing the problem so we're going to do it for you.

    Because by us being sucker punched by Bin Laden's organization that give us the AUTHORITY to retaliate. You didn't have the AUTHORITY to attack us. You're leader is playing God judging people he doesn't have the AUTHORITY to judge.

    Stop crying and do something about your government and then maybe American's will start to call you innocent victims.

    Until then you're just supporters of those who hate us and that makes you our enemy.

    We're going to stand behind our punches. Good luck poking out our other eye before we blind you.

    Ugh...we've had enough. Take a stand against your government and the hate it teaches or forget any sympathy we American's might have.

    Ben
     
  11. Bowser Namaste Valued Senior Member

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    <i>"Ugh...we've had enough. Take a stand against your government and the hate it teaches or forget any sympathy we American's might have."</i>

    KalvinB,

    You need to study the people and their history, my friend. Give nothing less than your compassion for the populace of Afghanistan. They are victims too. Focus your anger on the enemy.

    Has has anyone made a proposal for a future relief effort? When the dust settles, will our bleeding harts step forward to offer their help, or will they continue to reside within the comfort of their ideals of fairness and peaceful justice, never leaving their homeland to actuallly do something useful?
     
  12. Porfiry Nomad Registered Senior Member

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    That's a rather strange thing to say. I'm going to request evidence of this

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    I naturally have no problem with sparing a country, regardless of its crimes, if their people are sufficiently attractive.

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  13. KalvinB Publicity Whore Registered Senior Member

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    They may be victims but they aren't doing anything about it. If they're just going to sit there and cry about it while bombs drop in their backyards don't act all surprised when they're hit with shrapnel and don't ask me to feel sorry for them.

    About that 2 Million dead. Who supported the Afgans during that war? The US. Who trained those who will now fight us? The US. The same government we supported is basically biting our hand. I don't think kicking the dog is inappropriate.

    I'm not advocating we kill whomever. Our target is those directly responsible...just don't ask me to get all misty eyed if some civilians are killed as well. Don't tell me they don't know it's comming. They know exactly what's going down. If they don't get out, it's their own fault. Just because you're not armed doesn't make you innocent. If you support what your government does you're just as guilty as they are.

    Your government wants to play by the OT rules. In my OT the prophets of Baal and many of his followers were rounded up into a church and slaughted by direct order of God. Men, women and children. Do you want to play by those rules? Then stop complaining about "innocent" dying. According to the OT, hell, the book Bin Laden follows, there is no difference in the eyes of God between evil leaders and those who follow them.

    I don't feel sorry for people who are unwilling to stop their self loathing and do something to help themselves.

    Everyone wants to save the pretty ones...until they cut off your balls. I dunno...even then...some guys are pretty desperate.

    Ben
     
  14. piffi Nixed Price Rack Registered Senior Member

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    I'm sorry....

    ....but a retaliatory action is not the same as a cruel, unprovoked attack aimed DIRECTLY at totally innocent citizens. On September 11th, more than 5,000 and possibly AS MUCH AS 10,0000 people were killed. For NO reason other than pure, undilluted hatred. Now, if we launch a campaign to rid the world of terrorism, are we not doing the world a favor? We are not directing our attacks at towns and villages and business centers teeming with innocent people. We are trying to uproot terrorism in this country and others, and we are doing that by targeting Bin Laden and his supporters. And where do you people get that we have no evidence favoring Bin laden? We conducted the largest investigation in the history of our country and came up with conclusive, although very secretive, evidence. Just because you don't see it doesn't mean you can't have faith that the nation with the most resources on earth on earth does. (or do we all hate america?)

    Now, if we wanted war, we might have been talking about it before the attack.
    but we weren't. we only talked about war after we got attacked.
    If that doesn't seem just a tiny bit relevent I'd say you're a little blind to the situation.

    The only plus for peace I hear from people is that they dont want innocent Afghans killed. Hopefully, they won't, but you never know during a war situation.

    Also, please don't try to exploit this to serve your own non-war agenda. Although I do not see war as making much sense myself, I don't see the attack on the WTC and Pentagon making any more.

    This is the problem...we are not taking to the streets in angry mobs declaring that all Afghans be killed. we are not initiating mass genocide of all Islmaic nations. The people of america are peacefully mourning all those who have died, and are demanding that something be done.

    Loving people that hate you to this degree has no effect; for they are so twisted nothing will ever happen but more attacks. It's either we 1.) show love towards the terrorists and not do anything, basically acting as if nothing has happened,
    2.) not attack but build up our homeland defenses in direct anticipation of another attack, leaving our citizens in constant fear.
    or 3.) attack the terrorist network so that nothing like this CAN happen again.

    Remember, we gave the Taliban 72 hours to turn over Bin Laden. they have refused. Instead of giving a reason why, they told us to show compassion towards the Afghan people. they basically told us they didn't care about Bin Laden. Why would they not turn him over? I don't know. they chose to disagree with us. By disagreeing, they agreed to the terms we set forth. By misleading us, they have attempted to turn the tables and portray the US as the agressor, even while it's still in shock from the largest attack in its history.

    so...

    don't fall victim to the taliban's lies. The Afghans are unfortunately ruled by a corrupt and hateful government. that government is a target, not the Afghan people. And remember: we are trying to destroy terrorism by attacking (militarily, economically, and dimplomatically) the institution itself and its sources. By saying we make no distinction between terrorists and the countries who harbor them, we are not implying that the citizens of those governments are. The principles of our nation rely on liberty and freedom. We are relinquishing these countries from their deceitful governments by removing them. The people, however, will stay. To TRY to kill innicent people would be an incredibly regressive and horrific act by the US. That's why we are not.
     
  15. piffi Nixed Price Rack Registered Senior Member

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    and also, there is a big difference between the attacks on America and those that will happen in Afghanistan. For while the attacks on America would satnd alone, unporvoked, the retaliatory follow-through would have never happened. By simply looking at wins vs. losses, we have lost miserably.
     
  16. piffi Nixed Price Rack Registered Senior Member

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    ...and we will have forcibly changed things to make the evil ones come out unscathed. If the taliban won't give us Bin laden, we''l take him. Sorry, but that's just the way it is.
     
  17. Porfiry Nomad Registered Senior Member

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    I think the "other nations as inept and helpless creatures who need salvation" approach to foreign policy is precisely what enrages other nations and compels people to fight the US.
     
  18. KalvinB Publicity Whore Registered Senior Member

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    Whatever. So they want to throw a hissy fit, sucker punch us and then dare us to fight them because "God will protect them."

    All that because maybe we don't view them as highly as they view themselves? Sounds like a school yard bully but with weapons and an army fueled with hate and a false hope of salvation for dying for a sinful cause led by a man who lies in the name of their own God.

    If you want to try to appease them with thoughts of equality go ahead. How many of their people do we have in this country? We don't like their government for good reason. The people we're cool with as long as they don't hate us. Even if they hate us we're cool with that as long as they're reasonable. A lot of Americans hate our government even. But they don't blow things up and kill people for the most part. But when they do we take action.

    We didn't do anything for the n times previous than Bin Laden blew things up and kill people. Don't get your briefs in a bunch because this time we are.

    We have no reason to blame ourselves. When we got issues, we talk. We have ambassadors. Bin Laden is just a bitter angry person for no good reason. We are not at fault. We're trying to talk to their government now and they are not being cooperative. What else do you want to do?

    Ben
     
  19. Bowser Namaste Valued Senior Member

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    Porfiry,

    <i>"That's a rather strange thing to say. I'm going to request evidence of this."</i>

    Oh, I was flying on my third cup of coffee while reading the paper today. There was a picture of an Afghan family. Certainly the remark doesn't apply to all of 'em, but I see a rough beauty there.

    <i>"I naturally have no problem with sparing a country, regardless of its crimes, if their people are sufficiently attractive."</i>

    Sparing or sparring?

    You know, I wonder why the more wealthy Muslim states allowed Afghanistan to fall into such a degenerative condition?
     
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