Who Is The Loser?

Hi:
US lead the coalition forces into Iraq in a powerfull attack to find stockpiles of mass-killing armaments there
The aggressors have not been able to find any sort of that kind of warfare there.
President Saddam Hussein _ some Arab lawyears believe that he is still the President of Iraq _ has been toppled.
Iraqi people are faced with a dilema: the new freedom with the occupiers.
The neighbouring countries of Iraq are worried too, because of the situation in Iraq.
So my question is: who are the losers: Americans, who trusted their leaders` words, president Saddam Hussein, the Iraqi people, the neighboring countries or the writer of this thread who has limited knowledge? Or all of us?
thanks

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Who is the loser?

Chicken Little.

 

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The biggest loser here is international diginity, and the rule of law.

 

Bon Jour:
The Iraqi people, so far.

 

The Iraqi people are taking it on the chin, but I count myself as a looser of this war. Social Security was in surplus when Bush took power, now he stole so much of that money for the war in Iraq it is going to collapse before I ever get to see a dime, but I'm still going to have to pay into it to prop up the Social Security system for all the old people who's votes Bush dosn't want to loose by just dissolving SS Now.

 

'President' Saddam Hussein is no winner
hostile nations in the region are no winners
the dead people and their families are no winners (on either side)
the Americans are winners in some things but losers in other things, related to this war
the Iraqi citizen is ... ask this question in a few years. as of now, it's pretty turbulant. the story is not over - we have to see a conclusion before judging about long term winners and losers

it also depends what would you consider a "victory"

after 1991 Saddam declared to the Iraqis that he had won the Gulf war.... go figure

 

Saddam and his minions lost the most, of course. They lost their empire. They lost their luxuries. Many of them even lost their lives and, hopefully, so will Saddam himself. Happy day.

Everyone else certainly lost something, its just that they all got something else back and its only a matter of opinion if it was worth it or not. The Iraqi citizens have casualties but now they are getting a democratic government, economic and a little religious freedom, and even a chance to speak their mind and not be flayed alive. Some think its worth it, others don't. America has had a relatively small number of casualties and an increased debt but now one of our mortal enemies is broken before us and hopefully Iraq will be an ally in the future. It all depends on where you place your priorities.

And SpyMoose, Canada is always an option.

 

Instead of merely slapping someone, you might explain why your point
of view differs. Otherwise, your statement has no more validity than theirs.

:m: Peace.

 

my point of view differs because they have found types on warfare ion Iraq.

 

Concerning the question:
War has no winners, everybody loses something in a war, only those who do not lose as much as others tend to declare themselves winners. As a conclusion I would say everybody lost.

 

Ditto.

There is no such thing as "winning" a war. Everyone loses something. But I guess you could probably argue that the one who lost the least is the winner by default. Could that really be called much of a victory?

 

Moose,

SS is going to go bankrupt no matter what. It doesnt work. People take out more than they put in. Maybe you should move to Sweden where thr 50% tax rate supports it.

Missunderstanding,

If you think that a dictator who killed 300,000 of his own people, started the Iran/Iraq war, AND started the Gulf War- should still be in power, then you need help. Im sure you think that Stalin or Mao were nice people too. Lets not forget POL POT.

If it was up to the liberals on this board we would have let Hitler keep Europe.

 

And the Iraqi people are winners. They have FREEDOM. Something they havnt experienced in DECADES.

 

Halliburton is the winner.

 

Hold on now, are you asserting that it's wrong of the American people to put large amounts of money toward their own social welfare, but it's ok to put equally huge amounts of money (more even) toward the welfare of other people, who in general, really hate us? Who's the bleeding heart liberal now? You're all mixed up, drinker! You're talking like some sort of wishy washy altruist! If we spend all of our time and money worrying about others, who's going to spend time and money worrying over us?

Oh, and I think that it would be well worth noting that it was FDR, king of all American liberals (hell some would say a flat out socialist) who got us into WWII, and pushed heavily for our involvement even prior to the attack on Pearl Harbor. So I don’t know what all of this he-man chest beating talk about liberals not wanting to protect the nation is about.

 

Incoherent as always, Neb. Are you trying to say that they found Ions in Iraq or that they found "warfare" in Iraq? I'm fairly sure that they found both, but neither is what we were looking for. I'm sure they found a lot of sand as well, what's your point? Even Bush has resorted to making rather inappropriate jokes about the fact that he screwed up on this whole WMD issue.

 

Gee, that’s funny considering FDR, arc-liberal, got us into WWII. I see you WWII and raise you the Eastern Europe. If it was up to conservatives Slobodan Milosevic would still be purging and exterminating ethnic Albanians from Kosovo.

You conservative chicken hawks sure do like the straw man argument

 

Even Bush has resorted to making rather inappropriate jokes about the fact that he screwed up on this whole WMD issue.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,93483,00.html

I guess these fighters don't count as WMD's? Why are we to believe that the Iraqi "robots" didn't bury a whole slew of other things, including "real" WMD's? We do know that they definitely used to have them...I guess we will just have to wait and see.

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