"LIBERATE" 800 MILLION people, forget Iraq (they obviously dont want it)

America are just chattin now. they want to "liberate" Iraqi people. the fools spent $400 BILLION ON THE WAR. thats enough to feed EVERY single one of the 800 MILLION people starving in the world for years to come. instead it wastes all of that money and kills 10,000 Suvillians, 503 of its soldiers and makes the Iraqi people angry.

forget "liberating" iraq (iraqis obviously dont want it) - liberate (ith out the "") the 800 million starving people in the world!! save their lives. split the $400 BILLION and give 10 Billion to evry third worldcountry!!!

IRAQI PEOPLE DONT WANT AMERICAN "LIBERATION"
THE 2 MILLION PEOPLE WHO PROTESTED IN LONDON DONT WANT WAR
NEITHER DO THE AMERiCAN PEOPLE

but Israel does so G. BUSH just licks Israels ass as usual!!!

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Are you speaking on behalf of the majority of Iraq population? Last time I checked, the majority of Iraqi people wanted us there.

The 2 million people who protested in London...? What about the other group in Britain who do not protest?

Neither do the American people? Speak for yourself and do not include me as one of your American people group. Even though I do not belong to your American group, I am still officially a U.S. citizen and I want democracy in Iraq because this country is located inside the chaotic middle east region where the extreme islamic terrorists come from.

 

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It's mostly about the oil and making a FOB in the place for future military flexing... About the oil, it’s going to get pretty tough...

 

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The citizens of the US donate about 200 Billion every year to charities as well. What's your point? That the US should start handing out free lunches to the world?

I’d prefer if the US pulls it’s nose out of other countries business, takes that 400 Billion and fixes up America - starting with schools and health care. Of course if the gov. started spending money on America, the people would stop slaving themselves to death, start eating some of the fruit (like maybe join the World and have free basic health care), and that’s no good they might look up and see us politicians laughing all the way to the bank! Nope, better to keep them working like busy little ants, else they look up and see how shit things are for most of them and maybe vote some of us out! Little diversions like Iraq always help Amercians keep their ideas of their oh so great life in perspective.

 

Are you Jay Leno? Because you are making me laugh. Of course they want to be liberated. Freedom is a god given right that should be experienced by everyone! Not being free is like living without the sun or living without food. Saying the Iraqis "obviously" don't want freedom because some lunatic is planting bombs, is like saying the Africans don't want food because otherwise they wouldn't be starving.

Actually it was less than a million, not much less mind you. But according to most polls Britons were in favour of the war, although they weren't at the beggining, but they soon turned in favour of it. As for antiwar protestors, they're just idiots who find converging in big groups as a fun pastime. You should just ignore them. Perhaps this statistic will help: according to a recent survey, 8 in 10 antiwar protestors couldn't locate Iraq on a map.

 

Actually, it's more like saying they want food but not MacDonald's. (In which case they might really rather starve.)
Right now Iraqis are choking on the American idea of "freedom." They've never had it so bad but this is "freedom"? They need to be liberated from the choas of American "freedom". Ultimately the US has made Iraqis less free so that it can make them free?

Freedom is about a lot more than being able to post a ballot in a little box once every four years. It's about healthcare, education, safety on the streets. They had all that, when Iraq wasn't "free."

Don't delude yourself that "some lunatic is planting bombs." Try to come to terms with the idea that some people (make that a lot) just don't share your tastes.

 

What exactly do you mean freedom? No one is absolutely free and every society has it’s restrictions.

 

i dont know where you heard that but America spends nowhere near that figure for charity. its cost of the various wars it has cost billions. ontop of spending an annual $400 BILLION for yearly milatry expenditure and improvements of arms and it actualy wants to increase this next year plus it spends hundreds of billions in space missions. all of this while 41 million AMERICANS remain either below the pverty line, illetarte, with medical insurance.

and no Iraqis dont want America in their country. you have never been Iraq so you dont know you have just seen American media. and why the hell do you think there are people fighting America and portests in Iraq all the time. either go to Iraq and listen to what people say or watch some non american or Israeli news or just shut up.

 

Like i said that 200 billion figure is complete nonsense but anyway, what about Iraq? it posed sanctions on Iraq that KILLED ONE MILLION CHILDREN over 12 years. it completely destroyed the Iraqi economy by sanctions, created mass poverty and the hospitals closed down. and all of this coas was created by America in the first place. so instead of donataing 200 Billion dollars to the rest of the world if it was the country that created the Iraqi sanctions that slowly starvced to death over 1,000,000 children.

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like i said none of you people have been Iraq all you have seen is American news decribing Iraq. Iraqi people are not stupid, do you think they like the American people who have created sanctions on their country which have killed 1,000,000 of its CHILDREN slowly by starving them to death. is it going to like the country that has invaded it in the Gulf War. Is it going to like the Americans who supported the Iraqi dictator Sadam who killed thousands of Iraqis and then have a war becasue of Sadam (even though they made him) and completley destroyed its economy by 12 years of economic sanctions. are all of the MILLIONS OF people who have lost their job and are in poverty becasue of US SANCTIONS going to like America. Are Iraqi people going to like the Americans who support Israel which Iraq hates. are Iraqis going to support the people who have

GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEAD, IRAQIS DONT WANT YOU THERE!! YOU CREATED ALL OF THIS CRAP!!!!!!!

 

from The Economist (last month I believe). Not that it matters, the point is that 200 Billion is peanuts compared with the US assets and economy.

True, but it’s American’s money – they pay it, they vote for the politicians, they support the spending of it – whether it’s military, frills for the president, or daycare – so what. They could spend their tax to pay people to count grass. It’s called democracy

Again, that’s the government’s policy and it’s the people that elect the politicians that make it.

I disagree – the most recent pew poll found most Iraqis (>50%) don’t want the Americans to up and leave.

However, I agree that America should leave and should have never been there to begin with. As to the sanctions, America does not have to trade with Iraq. It isn’t written anywhere in the fundamental condition of nature that America must trade with Iraq. As a matter of fact Iraq was going along for the 5000 years before America was colonized. So don’t blather on and place the blame on America not trading with Iraq was the cause. The cause was the shitty leadership in Iraq – whom many Iraqis supported I might mention. It’s funny that Kurdishstan was doing quite well over the past 10 years. Go figure. Anyway, yes, the US didn’t belong there and they should fix it as it was by getting the hell out and putting Sadam back in charge of the country – he was the elected leader after all.

 

The US with its political power and Vettos forced the UN countries to follow the sanctions. America owns 1/5th of the ENTIRE worlds export income so the countries have to comply. and how is it the fault of the Iraqi goverment? before the sanctions Iraq had the best medical care in all of Arabia and the some of the best womens rights in all of Arabia. Iraq was doing great until its econmy was destoryed by sanctions and as over a million people died (500,000 kids) and millions lost jobs America continued its sanctions.

and like i said the US used its influence to stop other countries trading with Iraq (or cut down) and like i said the US owns 1/5th of the worlds export income (source: cia book of world facts 2001, exports). Iraq survived before becasue most countries traded with Iraq but after the sanctions this stopped. :m:

 

Have you been to Iraq? I'm not disregarding your statement, for most of it is probably true, but I'm a bit curious about your psychology. It seems that most Americans have to have an opinion about something they know nothing about: Iraq is the biggest case in point. People can quote survivors, politicians, etc, they can look at polls, charts, etc, and they can look at photographs and videotapes of children being blown to bits, but in reality they have NOT experienced the situation and they do NOT know the real motives of the Bush administration, the Iraqi population factions, or anyone else. I certainly know nothing about Iraq because I live in safe old middle class white suburban America. Typical of any leftist you have gotten into a moralistic temper tantrum over the single mention of death, further proving my point that Republicans and Democrats are the same breed of fanatical god-fearing black and white thinkers.

As for the sanctions, it is not the US responsibility to provide for another country that cannot (and will not) feed itself. We gave Iraq everything (including posion gas I have heard) to fight the Iranis, but apparently they didn't appreciate our help and so they drove into Kuwait.

 

America wil most likely retire from being a super power by 2050. there is a slight chance of another superpower emerging by then which would balance things out aswell. PROBLEM SORTED

 

I agree that the US did stop trading with Iraq and then pressured other countries not to trade with Iraq (else they lose favors with the US). The end result was no trade with Iraq. That doesn’t mean that millions of children had to die nor does it mean that women had to lose their rights nor does it mean that a modestly secular society had to become more fundamentally religious. That blame lies on the feet of the people of Iraq who allowed themselves to be ruled by Saddam and his ilk. Or maybe purely on Saddam and his ilk – depending on your perspective.

1) Not that all of Iraq suffered - Northern Iraq has prospered during the sanctions. Why? Because no popular support for a financially irresponsible government.

2) Iran has been sanctioned for decades by the US. They’re doing fine. Why? Because no support for a financially irresponsible government.

3) China is still under some sanctions. Not that it made any difference. Funny that.

4) India was sanctioned after they tested their nukes – it didn’t change India much (although trade with the US is now doing them a world of good).

5) Of course the USSR did OK for 70 years not trading with the US.

Regardless, it is the right of the US citizens to choose who they will and will not do business with.

It is the right of the US citizens not to do business with countries that don't put a big warm smile on their face and twinkle in their eye.

That’s life live with it.

Simply put, there is no argument that says that the citizens of the US MUST buy and sell products with everyone in the whole wide universe. Just like any sovereign, nation the citizens of the US can decide who they will and will not do business with.

Why did Iraq go from number one to the bottom? Because they have never had a financially sensible government. Why were they OK before? Because they sit on top of a bunch of free money and when the US was trading with them – they can blow half of it on shit and still have enough left over to do well enough for enough people to continue to support the ruling elite.

The same sort of thing is presently the US policy with dealing with North Korea.

Are you suggesting that Japan and the USA HAVE to trade with North Korea? Together they MUST buy and sell stuff with North Korea? They have to support, via trade, a government that has starved millions to death, uses slaves to mine gold (which they keep in Europe), and threatens to sell nuclear bombs and/or bomb Japan with nuclear bombs?


And, as YOUR argument goes, when NK slips futher into shit - it's the fault of the US and Japan.

That's rediculous.

 

The majority of the Iraqi citizens wants to live in freedom. The moinority wants to live with fear to control the majority. That will cease soon I hope.

 

I think it is safe to say most people just learn about their current events by watching the news. This gives a false premise. I mean, when was the last time you saw a news story about how everything is A-OK and no problems here. They just wont show it, they'll only show the people being killed and slaughtered because human kind, as sick as we are, like to hear about it (meh). Then people think thats the WHOLE story, which just isnt true.

 

Okay, so is it also your right, having democratically spent all that money on arming to the 400 billion dollar teeth..... to then go and invade whatever country you feel like?

Was that the point of vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Korea et al?

Was that the point of interefering in elections in chile and iran?

was that the point of all the rest of the democratically decided "other country" interference that USA has run regularly since WW2?

Because you can... you will???

Sheesh!

 

More evidence that on one really knows what's going on. Did you know that sasquatches roamed the earth at one point? No. But at one time people thought they did. In my peaceful town where the biggest crimes are drunk driving or spouse abuse, a couple of kids went huffing and their car started on fire and they got badly burnt. The local newstations came by and made a report about how our entire town was a huffing underground where people were hopelessly addicted to insect spray. There was of course, no mention of local fundraisers, the football team, or the perfect condition of the park.