My Theory Of Cosmic Origin....Comments Welcome!

Yeah Banshee. I think all this physical reality stuff is quite irrevelant. It is a state of double think for me. On one hand there is the material space which has apparent rules and action/reaction stuff. Then we have the outer spirit which is totally unbound by this space.

Everyone is at a minimum 2 entities in the physical realm. 1 human and one spirit or soul which oversees and partakes in the human form. These two are both separated and one, depending on ones current mindset. My chosen view upon myself is through the eyes of the spirit. The physical me is my plaything

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And everytime I interact with someone else, this person in turn creates another version of me which inhabits that persons subjective space. The me that someone else knows is not the me I know. Just as I create my version of that person.

Everything one sees and knows is just local phenomena. So in effect it is impossible to know anything relevant as long as one sees it through the local reality mesh.

I believe that attitude is the most important aspect of excistance. Mood is very infective among humans. Acting positive creates a lot of positive copies of oneself within other ppls realities

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What´s this got to do with blackholes?....
Nothing I guess... Freestyling again!!

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That is what I mean with everybody has his own reality.
You see people and things with your eyes.
I see them with mine, so I see it different, with my eyes.
My reality.

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Then there are people who know you, but do not know you.
But no one knows you, like you know yourself.
Again another reality.
A loved one, who loves you, sees you again in an other way.
Again another reality.
And all this on one person.

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What a reality's there are.
Just as much as dimensions.
Legio.

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Black holes???
Was the topic about black holes???

 

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If we are on the subject of reality

Since we got to the subject of different people's reality, heres an interesting poem by Emily Dickinson i read a bit ago about madness being sense (in anothers reality):

Much Madness is divinest Sense
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Much Madness is divinest Sense---
To a discerning Eye---
Much Sense---the starkest Madness.
`Tis the Majority
In this, as All, prevail---
Assent---and you are sane---
Demur---you ?re straightway dangerous---
And handled with a Chain---

I guess it means that majority decides which reality is sane and which is mad.

 

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(Sniffle, Sniffle) wow it's amazing how fast the topic gets lost. Anywho, Ya sometimes I look around and feel wierd becasue I say to myself, Is what I am Seeing really there? Am What I am touching really there? Strange. I am talking about that personal reality thing. Kinda funny. Dam I love Sciforums. I can actually talk to intelligent people. Finding someone like that in my school would be like finding a grain amoungst a whole beach.

 

Yeah, reality is very much the tyranny of the masses.
It is not widely known just how much the subjective perception can alter physical space.

Don´t consume, produce

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You know, it is good to have different reality's.
What would life be as everybody was the exactly same.
No fun at all.

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And nothing to learn too.
Because that is our first and most important reason of being in these reality's.
Learn from eachother.
In PEACE.
Not in war, as what happens so often nowadays.

But the topic was 'Black Holes'.
Sorry I drifted off.

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Black Holes are one of the mysteries of the Universe.
Maybe it sucks up everything in its neighbourhood.
Maybe then you come in a different Universe.
Who knows, it can be everything.
It doesn't have to be bad, because maybe it pulls everything with it. It can lead to a whole new Universe, which is another reality again.

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So you see.
You never know, with these reality's.
Bye.
Talk to you later.

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Tristan,

You reflect with your theory on something that has long been speculated on. That is that if the universe is closed, meaning that sooner or later every thing stops expanding and starts contracting then what happens? To that end this hypothysis was thought to be the possible rebirth of a new universe with the possibility of different physical laws and properties than what we now have today. Light might well travel at a different s[eed in another universe and not be the same constant that we know of. It has immense appeal to physists at the time becomes of the conservation of energy and matter that nature seems to be so fond of.

The latest thoughts are that the universe will continue expanding and there will be no big crunch. But understand, the basis for this is not by a large margin. Add that to the fact that we can not yet account for all of the mass and matter that we think should be there. It may come out yet that we are in for the big crunch as all is not yet throughly known.

 

Exactly.
All scientists act like they know it all.
They do not.
In fact, they know nothing.
They are guessing in the wild.
For they do not know a thing about the whole Universe.
So they talk and talk and talk.
Theory after theory.
Yeah, so they keep busy, no?

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chicken and egg?

The black hole theory is very nice...... But that still does not explain how the universe came to be or where it came from: We get sucked into a black hole, then another universe pops out....It goes on and on.
which came first the black hole or the universe?

 

The Cosmos.

 

Who knew?! I am a fan of Infinate Regression

 

All great theories and ideas!

I was going to post some of the great quotes from the various members here, but there are too many! So I am just going to post my view, which tends to run in the same direction as all of yours:

It seems to me that the inevitable conclusion of gravity and therefore Black Holes, is to collapse all matter/energy of our "known Universe" into an infinately small ~~~quasi-mass~~. Because of this intense gravitational pressure & inertia that will then be put on this mass, I believe that the only conclusion will be that all Black Holes will come together eventually & form one Black hole. This one Black Hole will continue to compress itself out of existance altogether ! ! ! Or at least out of the existance that we presently know of.

patman:

I could not agree more with patman's quote. If the matter of our universe becomes infinately compressed into nothingness, then I expect that this compressed mass will emerge in another universe completely and be a mirror reproduction of our universe, as it expands.

I would further add this & it may seem to be a little like some of the wonderful things that have been written by Banshee earlier:
That the mass/energy of our universe is the result of patman's "vacuum cleaner idea." And that as the the total mass/energy of the previous universe collapsed into nothingness, the exact patterns of that universe--life & lifelessness, galaxies and solar systems, were all ....condensed as a perfect representation of what this previous universe once was ! ! !

Everything about what this previous universe once was, was logically collected and compressed into the Black Hole that I believe has now exploded & made our own universe (Big Bang). From the entire matter/energy of the previous universe, I believe that we (our universe) has come into existance.

But here is the kicker, now people: It seems to me that as our universe has formed, it may well be something of a mirror image of the previous universe!

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And that our very existance now, right down through the microscopic and even into the subatomic-- may well be something that has happened many times over, in a sort of a "bouncing effect" between possibly two different planes of space/time. Or perhaps like a pendulum that swings back and forth between a "Super Black Hole" & a "Big Bang".

Over the years, I have often considered this and continue to believe strongly that our own universe will also eventually stop expanding and begin it's journey back into that from which it came. That it will also continue to collapse in upon itself, if only by the extra energy provided by it's momentum (inertia), until it too pushes all of it's matter out of existance and explodes into yet another universe. Perhaps after this, I really do think that our universe will live again, and so shall we!

In another 20 billion years, we (you and I) may well post at sciforums again-- these very same words....... in another type of universe ! ! ! The reasoning being that all patterns will be reproduced exactly, whether through explosion or implosion.

Fractal Geometry.
There seems to be something that is almost mystical about it. Repeating patterns of chaos........ There is a feeling that I somehow understand some of these things, yet I have no words to describe them. But I inwardly know that there are some kind pattern sets that are truly the "Law Givers " that efffect total dominion over our universe. It cannot be a coincidence. It's almost as though these patterns exist on their own, while matter & energy "cling" to these patterns and are guided by them to form galaxies, solar systems, planets, life, ..... .org

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<A HREF="http://www.Galaxies/solar systems/planets/life.org" TARGET="main">Galaxies/solar systems/planets/life.org</A>

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Oh well.......

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So....... when are our politicians going to let US grow our own marijuana? After all, it's not like a "PotHead" crashed a Jumbo jet into the damned Pentagon ! ! !

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later people................

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I agree on the Mirror-Theory Riddler, you are right there.
There seems to be a mirror of this Universe, and a mirror of that one and a mirror of that one. And so on.
Universe doesn't end....

Things you say are already been said, you will say them again, for all is in you, up front..
Oh, how difficult talking again.
I can't explain it very well in english.
Will some one who knows what I mean, take this over from me and explain in good english what I mean to say here?
Please?
In fact is this: Because you are materialized energy, everything you project here on Earth, when you materialize yourself here, is in the energy you are. As soon as you materialize yourself on Earth, all is hidden inside of you, up front. Better this way?

And I really am looking to understand that Black Hole theory, I do understand what you, and scientists say about the Black Holes, sucking everything up in a certain time...
I do not think that way...
I think it is a vortex to a lot of other Dimensions.
The way the Aliens come with their space-ships?
I really do not know, but I am getting to believe it that way.
Because there are much more Universes and much more Dimensions.
I wonder if humans ever find out how it really is, up there, in Space, with all its Black Holes and other mysteries I would love to know.
It keeps interesting.
This discussion.
Lets go on, look where it leads us, with all those different ways of thinking.
It is very interesting...

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Yes, I think you are right.
It is true, I learned that, we come back (reincarnate) to learn more and be better in the next life. There are different layers in the Cosmos, every layer is slightly more 'perfect' then the other. In the proces we can reach the highest layer only by living every life more intense then the former life and 'see' what we are here for.
In the layers live entities, Light-Beings and other Beings who have learned and are gone to a different dimension, because they learned all they had to learn on Earth. In the next Dimensions are differences and again other layers where Beings live.
And so on.
But I guess you can say it in the way of the Universe and the Black Holes, and the cycles who getting a little more perfect every time, like Kmguru says yes.
It is difficult to say in english, sorry.
Kmguru is right. I try to tell what I feel and learned about it.

 

I sort-of understand fractals, yes they are very cool. I thought once you could use the fractal ideal and apply it to a persons life vs. that of a species or countries life. As we are young (lez use the US for example) we are aggresive and cannot make decisions easily, maybe some of us are inherently racist. As we grow older we start to succumb to our wants a needs (need I say more), and as we grow much older we are intelligent and kind, and control other countries which we consider our children.

My theory of th e universe is simple: someone went faster than the speed of light and expanded infinitely, therefore we are living inside someone. I'll be back later, gtg.

 

No, not inside someone.
In the Cosmos, or the Universe, if you like that word better...

 

MY how things progress whenI am gone...

Sorry for the lack of time in responding. My new computer has an XP bug and must be sent back to the factory so that they can give Microsoft the straight scoop and I must wait until I recieve a new one before I can return to Sciforums on a regular basis.

However, conservation of energy is a law that nature is well known for. This seems to be at odds with current theory that says we have an open and continually expanding universe. If we have a continually expanding universe then we will never see the total accumulated mass in a black hole with all the mass assembled from the original that started at the Big Bang. Instead the black holes will never have enough gravity to pull everything together with distance already so large and still expanding. If that was so then what exists now would be in danger of being gobbled up. What would happen would be that once black holes consumed all available mass they would sit there for eternity as they were. The distances between such would continue to larger and larger with no hope of mass ever getting close enough to finish the job of vaccuming the rest of the universe. Everything just gets farther apart. Energy levels would continue to drop until even the atoms have no motion and the electrons come to rest. At such point then entrophy will have run its course and the universe will be dead with not a spark of energy anywhere within it.

 

Wouldn't the black holes get closer and closer eventually? Think of it this way: right now you are feeling the tug of gravity of Tau Ceti. It is extremely light, but it is there. The gravitational tug of Earth reaches out to the edge of the universe, only it is so incredibly minute...

Anyway, if there was nothing in the way of the Blackholes they would eventually collide, because each one is pulling on the other. Now that would be something to witness: two colliding black holes. Time to bring the camera!

 

Blackholes: an alternative universe

I have been theorising some more and I know someone on here has began touching upon what I feel is the truth.
It's taken me a while to get to the point of writing this as I have been theorising over this and trying to expand the information further (But I lack the all important diagrams that take ages to create. Although you wouldn't suspect that when you see them)

Originaly I placed my theory of how mass is created through a blackhole on this topic (someone nearer the start of this thread)
But what I neglected to explain in detail was my understanding of a blackholes existance.

I believe that the creation of a blackhole creates a Universal Parallel of the former Universe. This means that the universe in which a blackhole exists can be an Alternative in comparison to our own.

At first people think a blackhole as a funnel shape, similar to a tornado or whirlpool, sucking what ever exists in the universe into it's centre to do what ever occurs.

I found this understanding to be slightly floored, mostly because everything seems to have some polar structure at an atomic level, so there must be poles to a funnel. This gave me a clue as to the theory that there isn't one funnel, there is in fact two.

(I know Riddler mentioned this also, but his theory differs slightly)

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(See above)At first, I toyed with the notion that two funnels, one positive or normal space, meets a negative antispace (where Anti-matter exists). And I began thinking about how the funnels meet.

Most people would say that a World Face would exist, where the two funnels meet, but they would percieve them contacting each other without entering into each other.

I percieved that it would be possible that the funnel points could actually exist within the opposite funnel, namely the normal point's exists within the belly of the anti-funnel. Where the funnel point is within the belly I realised that a gravity flow might pull that funnel point back through into the centre of it's own funnel, making it fold on itself. (I've left out the World Face)

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This gave me a new direction, because it meant that in the centre of these funnels would be a spherical gravity well, and also a spherical energy excression. But that wasn't all when you placed paralels into the equation.

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(See above) I had this notion, If he two funnels meet in the centre (Symbolised by the hourglass shape layed horizontally) That they would enduce a Matter/Anti-Matter friction reaction and a Fusion point, because all mass and light is accelerated, they "Jump space" and appear from frequency in aspace where the blackhole funnels don't exist.

This I perceive as our Sun and other Stars throughout the universe.

But what does this mean? When it means there is a universe (Or should I say time) that a blackhole exists, while at the same time (or parallel) a star exists, while again at the same time Space exists, all at what would be called the same Place.

We see the sun, and it's gravity is made from what left over blackhole gravity in our parallel universe.

The problem is as the universe continues to grow, and certain superconductive states occur, our gravity is weakened (along with the excersion of time) This is where somebody who studies the "Schrodinger's Cat experiment" can get a rough idea of what happens to our star on a larger scale.

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I percieved that the funnels could eventually lose their mutual gravitational attraction and begin parting, which would in fact
stretch our sun one way and flatten it another. This is where I think a SuperNova would occur to our sun, and the destruction of a blackhole.

I hope to clean this up when I have a bit more time and my computer isn't so buggy.