path, yes they do prove it if you think they do not Indians know pretty well what Muslims (Arab) did to them, they know who ended an extremely ugly period of Mongolian ruling, Indians know how to compare between the Arab (Muslims) and British (Christians). They know who gave more than what he took and they know who kept taking without giving a thing.
Funny thing Yazan we have these miraculous little things called books written on all subjects by all sorts of people I can for example read a translation of any middle eastern or asian author I wish and gain knowledge of it. I can provide references to back up what I say and I can discuss whatever I wish You are either truly ignorant or lying here Yazan slavery is mentioned often in the quran hadith and sunnah as are examples of it from history. I do not try and excuse or deny the existence of slavery in the west and you shouldn't delude yourself either.
so far I saw people posting completely wrong explanation of some verses in the Holy Koran claiming that they took them from translated books. this is the funny thing. any way please post some of what Arab wrote and have been translated, something that shows them or Islam as the bad people. this would be interesting. and who said that there were no, I said that this took place terribly before Islam, the prophet ended that, and there were some after his period (far after) but not like what I used to think depending on what the west says. I’m now in Oman and I know how this used to be, because it still until today, they look like slaves but they want it, I swear this is the real story, they get paid for their services, they are named (yes in a way that I don’t like) like this family serves the X family, but again this is what they want, it the way of getting their living the way that they are not forced to go through the way that they can get rid of whenever they want
Fraggle: ?! Chinky Jews? That's a sight. I've never heard of a Jewish influx into China, and in medieval times for that matter. I was always under the impression that China up until fall of Manchuria had been something like a hostile vagina, Russian-like, but more regimented. I would go as far saying the Chinese are by far the 'cleansest' race on the planet. The Jews would come a close second, but they are not a race.
Yes and they are learning more all the time. You know when the Mongols came to India? When the mujahids came? You claim that the people in each country know their history best, well here have some Indian history from an indian. An indian compiled wrote this book but the following quote is from a muslim actually involved in the incident. Here is another tidbit
Sorry I was in a bit of a rush you can find this book online here You will notice that the narrator doesn't see anything wrong with what is happening according to him killing and enslaving filthy hindu's is all part of gods work
Well, if that is the best you can come up with...Oddly enough, it was all Proud Muslim could say for himself before. See the thread on Muslim Spain that he started.
Probably Iceland, actually. I mean, the word Russia comes from Swedes, the word Slav comes from Arabs, and the Russians have intermingled with Mongolians, Poles, Swedes, Germans, and Turks, among others.
One of my favorite plutonian principles is the one that says, The right thing always contains a bad part, but it is called a good thing because most of it is good, and vice versa. When I say that the Islamic influence on India was good, I believe that this is true. again the same problem, I don’t expect you to read Urdu, other wise I will give you wonderful articles and books written by Al kandhalwi an Indian who sees the greatness of Islam upon India, Jadu Nath Sarkar is a Hindu historianus, he is really a big deal, (although many Muslims disagree with many of what he says) wrote in some of his books that India had some of its best times under the Islamic rule. He feels India reached new heights of civilization during the Muslim rule. Some of the benefits of Muslim rule that he assesses include, internal peace over a long period of time, uniformity of administration, uniformity of social manner and dress irrespective of creed, common lingua franca, rise of vernacular literature, monotheistic religious revival, rise of mysticism (Sufism) and a general improvement in civilization. If you accept Arabic, Islamic, Urdu, Persian sources it would be a pleasure to attach them
an important point in here is that many people explaining a specific event differently, so it is not fair to depend on sources of some sides neglecting all others. some of what is written there are of what I like and some are not Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! http://www.muslimedia.com/archives/book01/southasiabk.htm http://voi.org/books/tlmr/ch2.htm http://www.boloji.com/architecture/00015.htm
Was there internal peace over a long period? Not if you think of fairly frequent persecutions of hindus and civil wars within the islamic ruling class. Is uniformity of an unjust administration a virtue? Again, are these virtues? What evidence is there that these came about as a result of muslim rule? Some of us think any kind of religious revival and mysticism are pretty good arguments against whatever caused them.
I could give you a horrible example of Russian under indirect muslim rule after the Tataro-Mongols converted. Basicly Russians were considered below slaves since they were "non-believers" and were treated horribly. Beforehand there was united actions against enemies and a general vassal / sovereign relationship. But as soon as the horde converted it lost judgement and common sense in its policies toward the Russian duchies. There was also a civil war within the horde that slaughtered about 1/3rd of the Tataro-Mongols who converted to orthodoxy or kept to the old ways. This triggered the close mindedness of islam prolifiration and the eventual downfall of the horde. Probably one of the worst periods in Russian history was the last 50 years of the Mongol Yoke right after the rulers converted to Islam.
Yazan don't fool yourself ANY wars of conquest are BAD for the conquered, and the conquerors ALWAYS spin myths about how wonderful things were after they came (any conqueror). The amount of property destroyed by jihadis in India is immeasurable. They destroyed temples that had stood for millenia and looted the treasures from them. I can go on and post pages of citations on this but is it really neccessary? How is having your cultural heritage destroyed while you are being robbed or killed in the name of god a good thing? Please don't tell me it was to bring them culture or religion because India already had plenty of both. Jihad in india was undoubtedly a wonderful thing for the early converts to islam suddenly someone from a lower caste could hold power over their former masters, they are your glorifiers of jihad in india.
