BAD Building! BAAAAD Building! (Abu Ghraib)

Discussion in 'Politics' started by hypewaders, May 25, 2004.

  1. hypewaders Save Changes Registered Senior Member

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    You've heard the President: That building will be destroyed, some low-ranking misfits will go to Leavenworth, Brig General Janis Karpinski will be reprimanded and reassigned, and all other loyal Americans will just go about their business. Any Questions?-Good.
     
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  3. jps Valued Senior Member

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    Hooray! Everyone knows the only way to stop crimes is to blow up the buildings they happen in.
    They should also break the cameras that were used to take the pictures.
     
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  5. invert_nexus Ze do caixao Valued Senior Member

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    And may the new prison be shinier and more representative of the American ideals.

    I bet there's a new rule in place about not allowing cameras inside.
     
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  7. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Valued Senior Member

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    You know, all this bad press is working to the administration's behalf. I could care less. I know this administration and everything it does is tainted with fraud.

    And look at the effects: I blame the Bush junta for the notable rise in the population of space-monkeys.
     
  8. Undecided Banned Banned

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    Like JPS said, don't we know that destroying the symbol of torture and death for both Saddam and US forces is going to stop all the abuses! I was tickled last night at the president’s inability to pronounce Abu Gharib properly, almost as if he never heard of it before, but I digress. Like the Abu Gharib announcement the speech last night was not impressive, and it did not say anything new, or innovative to stop the violence in Iraq. Basically it sounded like a bunch of sound bites put together in a 35 minute (largely pointless) speech. I think the American people are smarter then we think, I think they understand that what Bush is proposing isn't working, and won't work. I could have been watching "the Swan" last night you know...
     
  9. Dark_Man Registered Member

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    I keep hearing ppl talk about how bad the Bush ppl are and that they are coorupted money grabing blah blah. Yet the only HARD evidence I've seen in the past yr of fraud is the UN oil for food scandal. You guys need to give some hard facts or shut your traps. I'm tired of listing to pointless acusations and gut feelings.

    FEAR the space monkey's....

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  10. Yazan the truth is always hidden. Registered Senior Member

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    Some one sent me an article about a study that was made by an Arab professor;
    He asked some of his students to keep some others in prison, (act as prison guard), although the whole thing was just acting he noticed a tendency by the guard students to have an aggressive attitude at those in person. Some of them went far away and started to humiliate them
    I really think that the problem did not start in Iraq, it was discovered clearly there, but the start of such ugly attitudes was long time ago.
     
  11. invert_nexus Ze do caixao Valued Senior Member

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    Then maybe you should stay out of World Events & Politics. People have a right to be angry and who better to blame than than the man in charge?

    And why shouldn't we distrust this man? His very election is tainted with scandal and possibilities (or probabilities) of fraud.
     
  12. Dark_Man Registered Member

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    Well even I have to admit the election was REALY close. However I have never seen any PROOF that anyone on Bushs side much less his actual team defrauded anyone. In fact the final recount that the dems demanded showed bush winning. So the whole deal with the dems saying that the supreme court ruling stole the election is bogus.

    Which is exactly my point... I just looked up "politics" on dictionary.com. I won't paste it here but after skimming over it I just don't see the word propaganda or lieing or conspiricy or fraud mentioned anywere.

    Why is it that if I expect people making acusations to provide proof I'm told that I shouldn't be into polatics? I mean this site seems to be founded on the ideas that the ppl here believe in science, Logical thought, Proof and Therum etc etc... I go to the religion forum and I see ppl making such awsume stiatments about does god realy exsist or not. Right or wrong there very well thought out.

    Then I come here to the political area and all I see is ppl making rash unproven crazy stiatments. I mean everyone acts like a bunchof school kids on the play ground. "he hit me first" "no he hit me first". Stiat FACTS. Even a heavly unproven but logical theory would be nice. This I know he's a liar and fraud because I know stuff just is silly. You know what you (not you specificaly the ppl I've seen on this board) sound like. You sound like a religious person trying to prove god exsists. They all say they just know he exsists. They have "fiath".

    I mean common if the US was over there plundering Iraqi oil. Telling the citizens they have been owned and to shut up etc etc I could see some of the acusations. We are over there biulding schools. Retro fitting the oils stuff to make money to PAY for the schools. Killing terrorists and Baathists that are trying to take back power. Not to mension radical islamists that iran is trying to throw into the mix. I mean were in there does the US realy GIAN anything other than some dead soldiers? We DAMM sure aren't making money on this deal. I mean ok sure a few american and UK AU companys might make some profit, but they made that DOING A JOB. Next you will tell me they should do it for free. Most of that money they make is american tax dollars which they all piad in taxes anyway. In the end Iraq will be a WELL EDJUCATED FREE DEMOCRATIC SOCIETY.

    1-2 yrs from now I bet alot of ppl will be eating ALOT of crow. Cause all the violence will be gone. There will be 1 maybe 2 small US bases in each Iraq and Afganistan totaling MAYBE 50k in troops between the two. Iraq will be producing huge ammounts of oil and in the proccess making itself a very RICH country. Were will the terrorist be? Good question but they damm sure won't have WMD and they won't have those huge trianing camps. They will be hiding under a rock wondering when the bomb will hit the biulding from a US fighter jet. Bottom line things will be better over all. Who did this? Bush did.

    Which brings me to your other point. Right to be angry. Yes there are ALOT of ppl who have a right to be angry. Pretty much every human on the face of the planet has the right to be angry at the terrorist. Alot of Iraqs have the right to be REALLY angry at Saddam and his sons for brutalizing them for 20+ yrs killing raping thier children then picking a fight with his nieghbors and getting even more ppl killed. Then picking a fight with the US not once but twice and getting even MORE ppl killed on BOTH sides.

    I can't think of anyone else who should be angry... Well I take that back. The Russians and the French should be REALY madd at the US. We screwed up there sweet deal getting Iraqi oil and money. I think also the Iraqi's should be mad at France Russia and a few other countys for trying to stop the US from deposing Saddam. Lets see who else?

    I have yet to see one logical reason anyone other than a Tarrorist or bathist should be anrgy at Bush. Well accept for the frech and Russians who had there money tree burnt to the ground, but who cares about them.

    I mean facts are there is 0 proof that Bush did anyhting other than go with his instinct based on what he knew AT tHE TIME. He was mistaken about some things like WMD, but that doesn't change the fact that taking out Saddam was the right thing to do.

    What else? Give me some facts. Something real. If your right the facts are there. Someone some were has the information to prove it.

    Hmm I just reread what you siad. So if I'm the boss and a tornado hits the biulding and kills everyone then its my fault? You should be angry at me? I mean lets be real here. There is 2 and only 2 reason 911 happened. #1 The american public didn't have the balls to see the radical islamics for what they are VERY dangerious ppl. #2 Bill Clinton was to busy making himself rich and getting liad to do his job. On top of the fact that hes a yellow backed pansy boy.

    If americans want to be mad at someone for 911 they should be madd at themselves. Pick up a gun and go kill some terrorists. Pointing fingers at Bush saying its his fault it ludacris. I mean Bush is the ONLY person right now trying to actualy DO something. Right or wrong he's out there figureing out a way to solve the problem. All the liberals seem to think if we are just nice to them it will all go away. That attitude is exactly what has caused 90% of the major wars in history. France and belgum ignored germany post WWI thus you get WWII. We ignored UBL etc we get 911. We tried to placate the Japanese and make peace treatys with them we got Pearl Harbor. History has proven there is only one way to deal with crazy agressive ppl. Hunt them down and kill them.

    I do 100% admit you walk a tight rope doing so. You can become what you hate. However I don't see that. If I did I'd be the first person to call Bush or whoever on it.

    More so than anything I ask this. If Bushs ideas and plan is SO SO BAD. Then you tell me how to fix it? A real detialed well thought out well put together plan. Otherwhise hush and let the man do his job.
     
  13. StarOfEight A Man of Taste and Decency Registered Senior Member

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    Why are you asking Bush's critics to provide a detailed, well thought out, well put together plan when he was unable to the same?

    And how is Clinton a yellow-backed pansy boy? He got out of serving in Vietnam through his own intelligence. Bush got out because of his last name.

    And Yazan - that study was done in Stanford. Later inspired a weird German film called "Das Experiment."
     
  14. Yazan the truth is always hidden. Registered Senior Member

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    """ And Yazan - that study was done in Stanford. Later inspired a weird German film called "Das Experiment." """
    yes I know the movie, directed by Oliver Hirschbiegel. what is the problem of having the same study in different places. As I remember the article says it was in Egypt.
    the article was in persian

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  15. StarOfEight A Man of Taste and Decency Registered Senior Member

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    Nothing. In fact, it's a good thing. Doing the study once means the findings could be the result of a poorly run experiment, or of an inexplicably high number of sociopaths in the test population, or of overlooking cultural variation in the propensity to abuse prisoners. Doing it multiples times reduces these deviations.
     
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