thanks drawler. 80's was also a time of bad pop, but they also had stuff like queen, meatloaf and all the classic 'rockers', etc.
hey, if you like a lot of that classic rock you should see 'A Knight's Tale.' however, the movie isn't very good, and you'll just be sitting there thinking 'yeah, right... i'm so sure that's what people did in the middle ages.' but if you're into classic rock, you'll agree with me that the soundtrack is kick@$$.
Quit frankly, I cannot stand her. I dislike her music, mainly because she contridicts herself. Also she kept saying how her new CDs and crap are new and edgey, ect. But its the same exscat as her old CD with different lyrics. I also think she thinks much to highly of herself. Just because someone misquote her, but it means the same exscat thing [some words arranged differently] she flipped. For all of you, true punk is dead if you like to admit it or not. We have nothing to fight for since we had already won. People who try to call themselves punk without really knowing what punk is, just shows they are pop. Supposedly 'Punk', and 'depression' is the new 'In' thing. Damn it. Damn it all.
There are no more punks just like there are no more hippies or beatniks. Punk didn't seem to me to be so much about depression as about anger. Admittedly anger is often the result of depression, but angry music and depressed music don't sound at all alike. This "goth" stuff is more an expression of depression, especially the "lite" goth like Evanescence. I had to laugh when I saw the audience at the Cure concert (on Pespi Smash Thursday night). They were all dressed and made up like Robert Smith. That looks like a goth look now, rather than whatever it was supposed to be twenty years ago when he was young enough to pull it off. Come to think of it the Cure has been specializing in depressed music since they started, so maybe they were the original goth band.
Actually, that's not far off. The Cure was depressing and manic long before it was Goth. But they didn't do it because it was dark and depressing, or because they wanted to get in touch with their romantic undead dark side... so it kinda throws the Goth idea out the window. Ministry, Siouxsie and the Banshees and Bauhaus came closer to being Goth in the whole New Wave era, but still weren't really Goth in the sense of what Goth was in the early to late 90's. I couldn't stand the whole Goth thing myself, it seemed like such an escapist genre of music which specialized in being dark, but dark without any true meaning behind it. Any one can wear black and pale makeup with dark eyeliner, I was doing that in the early to mid 80's when Docs were for moshing and not a fashion statement. Goth, to me is angsty, dark-fantasy based music that they knew would appeal to teens who were already struggling with their identity. Marilyn Manson being the worst of the bunch and Type O Negative being the best of the worst. While The Cure, Joy Division, Gene Loves Jezebel, Einstürzende Neubauten, Peter Murphy and others are often associated with Goth, I still believe they were part of a movement that inspired darker more angsty music but were not really Goth in the romantic sense. P.S. I still can't stand Avril Lavigne just for her pompous attitude alone.
Avril reminds me of those 14-15 year old girl who go around with heavy black eye shadow and black lipstick and call themselves goths or whatever. They're just so damned adorable! Think they've seen pain but know nothing of the meaning of the word. Avril is the same. She sings about the same stuff Britney Spears does only she looks angrier and has a few guitars. Just wait a while, she'll wake up and her songs will start to melow out, just like that Alanis Morisette (how the fuck do you spell her name!). Damned trendy pretenders...I'm hoping the Captain is still with me on this one a year or so later.
Well man, what can I tell you? She's a hottie, I mean she's a shortie alright, but I wouldn't mind ending up between her legs, if y'know what I mean. Does she sing? Oh, like I care.
What, like twentysomething angst? Avril's fine for the market she's targetting. Though I must say, my respect for the girl went up when I saw her in attendance at a Modest Mouse/Flaming Lips concert, and only cool people with fine taste in music would go to such a thing, right? ...Right?! *sigh*
http://www.mtv.com/bands/az/lavigne_avril/audvid.jhtml# (You'll need Real Player for these) Scroll down and see Avril try and cover Metallica's song "Fuel" Then tell me why you think she's all that. Better than that, listen to the song "Don't Tell Me" then try and tell me those are good lyrics, and not words she just tried to fit into a melody she liked. And what's with the fake "near british" accent she attempts to adopt, but only when she sings... and with all that money, can she get her teeth fixed? She looks like she could eat a corn cob through a picket fence.
Dead serious. I admit that you have to sift through the albums for the great songs because the (usually) guys who produce these albums have a formula in mind and they want to market them all to pop fans. But the great songs are there and if you see these performers in concert, they know damn well which ones are great and which ones were filler. Here's a bunch that, for the most part, could never be accused of being just "pop". Joan Osborne: St. Teresa Jefferson Starship (Grace Slick): Be Young You Fairport Convention (Sandy Denny): One More Chance Patti Smith: Poppies Sally Oldfield: Sweet Child of Allah Heart (Ann and Nancy Wilson): Magic Man Alison Moyet: Footsteps Terri Nunn: 89 Lines Gloria Estefan: No Hay Mal que por Bien no Venga Evanescence (Amy Lee): Imaginary Tina Arena: Burn Sarah McLachlan: Hold On Céline Dion: Le Ballet (screw her English stuff) Natalie Imbruglia: One More Addiction Toni Childs: House of Hope Alana Davis: Crazy Shakira: Ojos Así Paula Cole: Amen No Doubt (Gwen Stefani): Start the Fire Garbage (Shirley Manson): Temptation Leah Andreone: It's Alright Big Brother and the Holding Company (Janis Joplin): I Need a Man to Love Sade: Sally Beth Hart: Stay Selena: God's Child Morley: Slow Hot Wind Chantal Kreviazuk: Waiting
If you like female voices then listen to Gigantic by The Pixies. Frank Black usually sings from them, but on this occasion Kim Deal did! And her voice is blummin sexy! Good song; instantly familiar by the greatest indie band ever.
"Evanescence (Amy Lee): Imaginary" not gonna argue wit u there, up with evanescence!!! most the rest are either annonomous to me or are too poppy for me taste (ie shakira)
"Fuel" kinda sucked in the first place. As long as she doesn't touch "Disposable Heroes," I can forgive this. The reaction shot of Kirk, where he looks like he's straining out a massive shit, is pretty funny, though.
I can honestly say that Avril Lavigne is probably some sort of demon spawn belched up from hell to spawn more of these "instant-punks" that have completely taken over where I live. All they do is talk about how "punk" they are and how "preppy" everyone else is. It's making me go crazy. CRAZY!!!!!! Half the freakin school was made up of these people at one point. So, as I see it, Avril Lavigne and other "Punk" people who continue to make punk music despite the fact that IT'S DEAD AND GONE are at the root of this. Damn you instant-punks, DAMN YOU TO HELL!!!
punks being punks, listening to the old punk and stuff is fine, i dont like however, people who say stuff like lavigne is punk, attempt to be a punk, and fail, even though they think they are punks and when you tell them theyre just idiots they say you are not punkPlease Register or Log in to view the hidden image! fools, yes? most punk is dead and gone, but it can survive in some ways i suppose. the punk from the root punk anyway.
I have friends who would listen to one genre, and then disregard everything else as inferior shit! If they listened to Nirvana or Pearl Jam, they would call an artist like Bob Marley shit. If they liked Radiohead or The Beatles, they would call everything else shit. If a person liked Eminem, they would say everything else is shit because there are no swear words in them. Everybody will listen to one gerne usually, and will thus go around with a superiority complex saying things like: "I'm A REAL PUNK-ROCKER I AM, and have a superior taste in music than you"... In the film High Fidelity it was different. The only two gernes of music that existed were crap music and good music, irrespective of what ever genre they fell in.
thats a better system, except for jack black, who goes around assulting people for their bad taste in music. even though i think he was right, its exactly the same as what one-genre people do, and its annoying.
That's my point. I'm sure you've only heard the Shakira tunes that get played on American radio, or worse yet, on MTV. Now I like "Wherever Whenever" okay because I'm a girl singer junkie, and I understand that you're not. But she's got tons of much stronger, less "poppy" material that you never get to hear. See if you can find "Ojos Asi", it will blow you away. The Spanish video is incredible. As for the ones that are "anonymous," that's my point too. There is an entire huge group of female singers out there who DON'T sing the kind of music you dismiss as "pop". You never get to hear them at all because they don't have any "pop" tunes to play on the radio. I haunt the used CD stores and spend three or four hours listening to every one in the whole store that my hunch tells me I might like. I've found some amazing performers that way who only have cult followings. I'm sure you'd enjoy quite a few of them. If only you could hear them. Keep your eyes open, maybe you'll run across one of my "anonymous" recommendations. You'll probably enjoy listening to her.
though I'm canadian, I couldn't tell you one of her songs or even recognize one on the radio but it's hard for me to imagine why her music sounding "too catchy", is a bad thing. If I were a musician I'd take that as a compliment.
