Michael Moore Hates America: The movie

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  1. buffys Registered Loser Registered Senior Member

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    http://www.michaelmoorehatesamerica.com/ They're making a "Moore style" documentary about how wrong moore is and how great america is, which is somehow being released this summer.

    This should be interesting, I'm always a fan of "turn about". I could respect using one's own tactics against them if it wasn't so transparently political in this case. I mean rushing the movie out before the election just seems sad. Many good cases against some of moore's claims can be made but at least his movie has been years in making.

    I suppose it could be a biting, clever and thoughtful documentary but considering it's a direct response to another documentary and written/directed/shot/edited in a few months, I kinda doubt it. I guess we'll see.

    any thoughts?
     
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  3. Dreamwalker Whatever Valued Senior Member

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    I suppose we have to wait until the movie is shown, but I doubt that it will have much credibility to oppose Moore´s movies.

    But perhaps I am mistaken, who knows?
     
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  5. Closet Philosopher Off to Laurentian University Registered Senior Member

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    It looks hilarious. Moor has a way of doing really good editing and finding the perfect information to support his cause. He bends the truth a little at times. He is sketchy.

    The battle of the documentaries, {insert dramatic music}
     
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  7. Icarus Wings Registered Member

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    Personaly, I love Michael Moore's movies, they are very well made, and while they might bend the truth in places, so does every other person in politics. I've just now heard of this movie, and quite frankly, from what you guys have said, it probably won't be very good.

    EDIT: Dude, I just looked at the website, and it doesn't give a lot of info at all. All it says are some things Michael Moore is wrong on (with no explanation on why), then a little paragraph about how in a hurry they are. Maybe I'm expecting too much, but thats not a whole lot of info.
     
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  8. Carnuth i dont Registered Senior Member

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    why cant americans hate america when the entire world seems to?

    sounds like discrimination to me...
     
  9. Logically Unsound wwaassuupp and so on Registered Senior Member

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    well i suppose that if you hate americans and you are american then you are actually hating yourself, which leads to self-doubt, confusion, and accidentally going mad and invading places.
    must have been going on for a while now.
     
  10. Dreamwalker Whatever Valued Senior Member

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    Nah, when you hate yourself you most likely commit suicide. Resulting from that, most Americans would soon be dead. Wouldn´t that be cool

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  11. SpyMoose Secret double agent deer Registered Senior Member

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    I can't say I've ever heard anyone successfuly try to refute Moore on his facts, his ideology just gets them pissed off. And of course the assertion that he hates America is just another symptom of the semi-moronic state of concervative movement rhetoric. Anyone who brings up uncomfortable facts about America in an effort to change them will be accused of hating America, especialy if a liberal is doing it.
     
  12. Porfiry Nomad Registered Senior Member

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    The central problem I see is that Wilson is asserting that the documentary format is easily prone to manipulation to effectively communicate a biased perspective. Yet the format he is choosing to communicate this message is... a documentary. Moderately hypocritical methinks. You can't lambaste Moore for his use of the format but somehow expect the viewers to not see the bias in your own film - the same criticisms you make of Moore will necessarily undermine your own work. It would be one thing if Wilson were doing this with objective intentions, but the title of the film quickly dispels that hope.
     
  13. Hastein Welcome To Kampuchea Registered Senior Member

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    The name of the film should be Michael Moore Hates Whites.
     
  14. Dreamwalker Whatever Valued Senior Member

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    Nah, I think that the name should be "We hate Michael Moore".
     
  15. Working Class Hero Skank Monster Registered Senior Member

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    The name of the film should be "fascism born again - an international disease". To interconnect a culture, a national character (im sure Michael doesent hate "america") with a government is a very fascistic trait. I love England, i love my nation's culture (often in spite of my politics) but i do hate my government.
     
  16. Closet Philosopher Off to Laurentian University Registered Senior Member

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    Conclusion, moore is a wigger

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    The movie may be a hoax since there is no large production company or concrete information on the site.
     
  17. Hastein Welcome To Kampuchea Registered Senior Member

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    No, its a sign that a culture is healthy and the people are living in a rational community that supports their interests. To have a government that is at odds with or indifferent to the dominant culture is insane and so are you.
     
  18. buffys Registered Loser Registered Senior Member

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    lol! no, we mustn't disagree with our government.

    It'd be anarchy!
     
  19. Hastein Welcome To Kampuchea Registered Senior Member

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    I would agree that culture is more important than government, because it outlasts all governments.
     
  20. buffys Registered Loser Registered Senior Member

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    we seem to need some amount of culture and government, unfortunately both are as much of a disaster as a help in the long run.
     
  21. Hastein Welcome To Kampuchea Registered Senior Member

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    Disaster? Typical modernist talk. Everything is a disaster, life is a disaster... what's your point? We cannot remain in a perfect state, so we continue to change, war happens, people die, discontent rises and falls only to rise again, such is life.
     
  22. buffys Registered Loser Registered Senior Member

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    yeah, that was kinda my point.
     
  23. Working Class Hero Skank Monster Registered Senior Member

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    Yeah, its healthy for the government to connect with the culture, but not to be inextricably linked - like Hitler was the "embodiment of the German nation". It is very dangerous, when governments destroy criticism by saying "when you criticise me, you criticise such and such a nation".
     

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