Is society stupid? Do we need to be told whats good for us?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Captain_Crunch, Jun 13, 2004.

  1. Captain_Crunch Club Ninja Valued Senior Member

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    British society is ridden with rules and regulations, its constantly changing the way we live to make our environment "safer". The law is being used as a tool by the government to govern the way we live and not what it was meant for: protecting society from criminals, now it is being used to protect society from itself.

    If you drive a car then you are being watched by the state all the time incase you go over the speed limit which I'm told is extremely dangerous for health, if your caught you only have so many chances before you lose your license and get a ban. On the television you will see a road tax advert which basically tells you if you don't pay road tax you will crash and kill babies - the advert has a crashed car with an empty pram next to it and it happened not because of poor driving but because the owner didn't pay his road tax, therefore automatically not having insurance and MOT.
    The police is being used by officials either of the EU or the British parliament to carry out this war on the motorist thus diverting their reasorces to catching criminals.
    The end justifies the means and thats to make driving safe while other aspects of criminal law are being neglected to such a point that people are disillusioned with the system.

    We are told that all drugs will threaten your life, they are bad for you and if you use them you will turn into a raging drug addict who will do anything to get some drugs. You are told not to use them as its against the law and if your caught you will have to deal with the harsh consequences, thats to say you will go to jail and or pay a fine.
    Again the end justifies the means, people will not use drugs therefore society will be better in the long run but what the government has failed to notice is people still use drugs and by making it illegal; drug barons will keep on getting richer without paying tax into the society they are destroying. They are destroying the society because its illegal as its illegal status makes it expensive because its hard to get - drug addicts cannot then fund their problem driving them to crime.

    The question I'm trying to illustrate is if you believe that rules and regulations as well as laws aimed at protecting society are necessary. Do you not believe that they are self defeating?
    Do we need a state to decide what is good for us? Do we need to be told what to do by the state?

    If the regulations were taken away do you believe that society will worsen or actually become better? Also, wouldn't society not be better off without this government regulatory bullshit?
     
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  3. zanket Human Valued Senior Member

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    Worsen. The regulations enhance society on average. Except the ones that don't--it's an evolving process. Society puts the regulations upon itself for its own good.
     
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  5. Enigma'07 Who turned out the lights?!?! Registered Senior Member

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    "The masses are asses"

    Most people need rules, otherwise they wouldn't know what to to. I am a rebel. I dislike any form of government.
     
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  7. Dreamwalker Whatever Valued Senior Member

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    I hate many things made by humans....

    But yes, I think society needs rules, many people are too dumb to survive otherwise. Look at those idiots who eat at McDonalds every day. After some years and about 250 pounds extra they start complaining that they did not know that the fat-dripping food at McDonalds is so unhealthy.
    There are loads of people who like to live without using their brains because it is easier. Without rules they would soon fuck up.
     
  8. Enigma'07 Who turned out the lights?!?! Registered Senior Member

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    Just remember, Big Brother IS watching...
     
  9. greywolf The Hellbound Hellhound. AWOOO Registered Senior Member

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    rules and regulations are a bitch but i know that without them their would be chaos and i'ld be right in the middle of it!

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  10. Dreamwalker Whatever Valued Senior Member

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    Chaos.....hehe nice.... and genocide.....

    Without rules we would just go about killing each other for a time.
     
  11. greywolf The Hellbound Hellhound. AWOOO Registered Senior Member

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    The fucked up part is that some people actualy would do that just cause they could
     
  12. The Singularity The last thing you'll ever see Registered Senior Member

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    I guess the problem with society and rules is that it conflicts with our right to freewill. There are alot of people who believe they have the right to do whatever they want at anytime and the fact that rules and regulations exists is preventing them from achieving that complete right. Rules could be seen as a strict parent keeping their 16 year old kid from doing the things that other 16 year olds are doing.

    I will say that it is best that these rules have to be in place to keep certain people from committing genocide or anything of the likes ... but there are alot of rules and regulations which are just plain stupid and has no business being in the law books.

    I also find that society tends to break the more common rules and the more ridiculous ones. They also tend to break the rules that are rarely inforced due to lack of supervision or lack of interest. Basically society sees these rules as the government's way of restraining them of achieving their entire right to freewill and its becasue of this that people are more then likely to circumvent them or go as far as breaking them entirely. No one wants to be the government's 16 year old kid.
     
  13. Dreamwalker Whatever Valued Senior Member

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    Perhaps you are right Singularity, but some people cannot really live without some kind of guidelines. If they were free, some would die because of their own freedom. Because this ultimate freedom entails a social network, meaning help for those who are in need of it. Furthermore, without rules our
    whole society is bound to go down in chaos. No rules mean anarchism and I do not think that humans are able to live in such a state.

    There is a definite need for rules.

    But I agree that many rules and laws are useless, some even ridiculous.
    But than, you should start to work for a change instead of performing a senseless rebellion of stubborness.
     
  14. The Singularity The last thing you'll ever see Registered Senior Member

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    I understand and agree that we need rules to maintain some kind of order. Our mentality would lead us to our own dispair if we had no rules to follow but maybe I should have stated that my main point was that a large portion of the rules we have today are completely useless and it's these rules which are hindering a good portion of our freewill.
     
  15. Dreamwalker Whatever Valued Senior Member

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    With that, I agree.

    We still have some laws from the early medieval times. Utterly outdated.
    Even the laws from 40 years ago are no longer valid and useful, or even 20 years ago. But it all keeps piling up.
     
  16. The Singularity The last thing you'll ever see Registered Senior Member

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    The problem with those old laws is that they don't want to pay the money to remove them. They would rather spend the money on rewriting the law book to keep it up to date with the new laws then rather pressing the delete button when editing it.
     
  17. Eluminate Registered Senior Member

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    reminds me of rubber on playgrounds but instead of just it being on the playgrounds it metaphoricly extends to everything so that we couldn't hurt ourselves even if we wanted too in any sphere. Sort of like we know whats best for you , you are just a dumb citizen who needs to be used like a horse with vizors on its eyes so it goes straight no matte rwhat.
     
  18. zanket Human Valued Senior Member

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    Free will was not subverted. Rather society (that is, all of us, or our representatives) used its free will to create the rules.

    Presumably these people live amongst us. So what they really believe in is having their cake (utilize society’s advantages) and eating it too (complete individual freedom). They are selfish.

    If society isn’t interested then it’s a rule in name only. Such rules should be expunged from the books but I wouldn’t lose any sleep either waiting for that or worrying about the risk of such rule being enforced for the first time in a long time against me.
     
  19. Hastein Welcome To Kampuchea Registered Senior Member

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    The drug war is nothing more than another form of prohibition. While it is certainly true that drugs can cause serious mental and physical damage, does that outweigh the cost of lives and money wasted each year trying to crack down on drugs? If drugs are truly as awful as the media would want you to think, why are people still using them? I think drug zoning would be a better solution: create an area in a town where people can drink, smoke, and shoot up without causing a problem to the rest of society. I don't drink or smoke, but I don't see a problem with other people doing it only so far as it doesn't harm others (abuse of others, disruption of society and economy.)
     
  20. zanket Human Valued Senior Member

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    Such zone would need to be surrounded with high walls topped with concertina wire. Participants would need to pre-pay their share of the facility and for the testing (to make sure they’re clean) when they leave. Unlikely they’d willingly pay for it. It seems most smokers will not even deign to use an ashtray.
     
  21. Hastein Welcome To Kampuchea Registered Senior Member

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    If we gave drug users the opportunity to do their drugs in peace, I think they would gladly give their time and effort to such an endevour. Then again, I might be too optomistic. What's the point of screening and concrete walls? People walk around high illegally everyday, it only becomes a problem when they get pulled over or have to get a job.
     
  22. kazakhan Registered Abuser Registered Senior Member

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    Why?

    We are most certainly over regulated. During a small business course I was doing the ATO (Australian Tax Office) rep' said there were 85,000 tax laws

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    I would imagine for criminal law etc would it would be even more. Here in NSW you even need a license to go fishing!
     
  23. zanket Human Valued Senior Member

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    The problem only becomes noticed when they get pulled over or mess up on the job or kill someone. That’s why the screening and high walls.
     

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