Is society stupid? Do we need to be told whats good for us?

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  1. zanket Human Valued Senior Member

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    If a license were not required do you think there’d be any fish left? In my area it is obvious there would not be.
     
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  3. Hastein Welcome To Kampuchea Registered Senior Member

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    I can see where you are coming from and perhaps we should regulate what drugs are specifically used. Mass production of insanity-producing drugs wouldn't sit well with anyone I'm sure. There is always a high risk of crack addicts running around with machine guns, but we already allow people to get drunk and crash their cars into people and beat their family. Should we build walls around drunk people? I think not.
     
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  5. zanket Human Valued Senior Member

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    I think it would be reasonable for people to be required to pass a breath test before leaving a bar. If that were the law then many lives would be spared.
     
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  7. Hastein Welcome To Kampuchea Registered Senior Member

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    I agree. That's not a bad idea. Perhaps it could be implimented.
     
  8. zanket Human Valued Senior Member

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    New Mexico has an alternate idea. The public there seeks to mandate the installation of ignition interlocks in every vehicle registered in that state. Drivers will have to pass a breath test in order to start their car. It seems overboard but apparently the citizens of that state are desperate for a solution.
     
  9. §outh§tar is feeling caustic Registered Senior Member

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    Nothing new there..

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  10. §outh§tar is feeling caustic Registered Senior Member

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    Well if what you are saying is that society imposes rules on itself for it's own benefit:

    Those who wish to not be smothered with the morals/concerns of others should be spared from having to obey the laws.

    In a nutshell: if I don't vote for this law, i shouldn't have to follow it.

    Without that, there is NO freedom and the individual chooses freedom, the masses choose slavery. I'm sick of the masses getting whatever they want. Idiots.
     
  11. Kumar Registered Senior Member

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    If we can just think that 'nature law is truely Supreme' which have made us (a most complicated creature) & kept us in existance for so long like 'mother', any thing which opposes it (nature law) should be attended first. These are good words:"Drug addicts should be put in a hospital, not a prison" as well as other addicts.
    Now the main question: Is society stupid? Do we need to be told whats good for us? God is said to be in everyone, so all may be knowing everything which is true, but HE may be be awakened or slept can be a matter to deal with it. Some society's law may be made to resist some nature's or true laws like ' might is right ' or ' surrvival of the fittest '. Whether it is right or wrong is a matter to judge, compare and apply accordingly.

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  12. kazakhan Registered Abuser Registered Senior Member

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    Yes of course, the recreational anglers are to blame

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    This was brought about by the commercial fishing industry which is quite large around here.
     
  13. Hastein Welcome To Kampuchea Registered Senior Member

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    Harder drugs could be mail ordered, so they are less of a problem to public places. www.newspeakdictionary.com has some good information on the correlation between prohibition and the war on drugs.
     
  14. zanket Human Valued Senior Member

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    It does work. Speeding is a risk to others before it harms anyone. The punishment is for the risk.

    It also removes those involved from society. Not all of them though.

    The first couple times maybe, for which they should subsequently have to reimburse the public. After that they deserve prison like any other offender who puts the public in harm’s way.

    There is ample evidence that pot can be responsibly used, so I agree.
     
  15. zanket Human Valued Senior Member

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    The licenses pay for fish & game wardens who verify, for example, that fishers are not using nets. If not for the licenses some recreational fishers would surely use nets and so yes, the fish would soon be depleted. In the backwoods you’ll find people who like to fish with dynamite. They think it’s an imposition when the public doesn’t allow them to kill 500 fish simultaneously so they can cherry-pick the best one.
     
  16. Enigma'07 Who turned out the lights?!?! Registered Senior Member

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    Do people actually fish with dynamite?!
     
  17. zanket Human Valued Senior Member

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    Go for it SouthStar. You’ll be writing us from an internet terminal in prison.

    You’re sick of majority rule? Try minority rule. Check out North Korea. I hear bark tastes good when you’re starving.
     
  18. zanket Human Valued Senior Member

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    I’ve known people who have done it. The shock wave stuns the fish so they float on the surface for a while.
     
  19. kazakhan Registered Abuser Registered Senior Member

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    Oh of course your from around here and know the issue inside out, thanks for the education, I'll leave me money on the fridge

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    Nets have always required a license and dynamite is not readily available. There were already rules on the number of rods, size of catch etc before the licensing. The commercial industry wanted more fish for export so squeezed a large number of people out of the hobby who don't believe you should need a license to feed yourself.
     
  20. §outh§tar is feeling caustic Registered Senior Member

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    I'm talking about the below scenario smartypants.


    The alternative to majority rule is not necessarily minority rule.

    Try "self-rule". Blame no one but yourself for your own mistakes.
     
  21. zanket Human Valued Senior Member

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    Unfortunately in practice those who preach self-rule instead leech off others. They want self-rule when it comes to paying taxes, then they drive on public roads. The only way it would work is if each self-ruled person lived on their own planet.
     
  22. zanket Human Valued Senior Member

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    No, it’s just common sense. Here is why you need a fishing license:

    So there is a concern with illegal fishing in your area, requiring patrols by wardens. Your fishing license really does help you. You really would be leeching off others without it. How about that?
     
  23. Working Class Hero Skank Monster Registered Senior Member

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    I like to look at it this way - Where does a person draw the right to tell another what to do? Were all born the same, naked and wriggling.

    In an absence of authority, people would be forced to co-operate for mutual gain, if not survival. The idiots who eat at McDonalds every day would either co-operate with everyone else, or starve to death.

    And drugs were not illegal till some middle class liberal decided they were an evil, before the wars you could buy cocaine at the local drug store. Funnily enough, it wasnt a problem either. Because it had no criminal attachments. If you took it and then died, that was your problem.

    And there were no fisheries wardens either, till the government decided that needed regulating too. But strangely enough, in a time where people may have eaten their catch, the fish didnt die out...

    It comes down to this, its funny how everyone thinks they dont need laws to restrict them, but everyone else needs to be controlled. People are definately smarter than they get credit for. And if theyre not, in the absence of authority they would just die or be thrown out anyway.
     

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