Red Sins, Black Sins

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  1. Leo Volont Registered Senior Member

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    Red Sins, Black Sins

    The Angels usually only feed me hints, and then allow me to think things through. But regarding Red Sin, Black Sin they actually dragged out the Chalk Board and Pointers. It was something I was supposed to understand on their terms.

    Red Sins are shortcomings of the Body, Carnality and the Impulses of Emotions – Sins of the Blood. The Lusts, Appetites, Angers and Jealousies of the moment. These Sins, being so much of the Body, hardly stain the Soul.

    Black Sins are the Intentional Evils – the corruptions, the thefts, the rapes, the exploitations – all those things of the Republican Platform. These are sins of the Soul.

    At Death, the Soul soon wriggles out of the Soil of the Red Sins. A short stay in Purgatory soon has one spotless of any trace of Red Sin. But the Black Sins hold onto the Soul like a canker or a rot. By inflicting intentional harm upon others, one makes damaged goods of one’s own Soul. Hell is the abode for those claimed by the Black Sins.

    Can there be Redemption for those Stained with Black Sin? The Angels did not tell me of any. Would we even want a Hitler in Heaven? The Church teaches of Regret, Repentance, Penance and Atonement. I would suppose that there is hope for whoever experiences real and intense Shame. It makes me wonder whether the Pain of Intense Shame is not the shedding of that damaged portion of the Soul that had been infected of the Black Sin.
     
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  5. Leo Volont Registered Senior Member

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    As a child I read the Bible repeatedly. As I found no Holy Spirit in the Protestant Church's, and was then too Brainwashed to turn to the Catholics, it took up the Study of Oriental Religion. I became a Master of Yoga. Lived at an Ashram for awhile. Visited Sufi Camps and Buddhist Monasteries on a regular basis. Travelled to India and the Far East. When I came to Catholicism, then I returned to Europe and sought out Wisdom of the Contemplative Orders, and visited all the Really Neat Shrines.

    If one makes Religious Vision a priority in ones Life, then, apparently, one is more predisposed to have Religious Vision.
     
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  7. Ebony Registered Senior Member

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    Have you ever seen a shrink?
     
  8. Leo Volont Registered Senior Member

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    Sure.

    Between my Oriental Phase and my Catholic Phase I took up Atheism for awhile and became depressed by it and went to see a Psychologist.

    It was while seeing him that I became a Catholic, and so he was very interested in those Dynamics.

    He was fascinated by my Dreams, and used them whereby to measure the success of his own Psychological Models to discern their Meanings and Intents. He showed me a Paper he was having published on First, Second and Third Order Personality Dynamics. It was all rather interesting and I still find that such thinking does offer a realistic model for understanding personalities and behaviors.

    Did he see some huge harm in my becoming Religious again? Actually not. Whatever his personal beliefs are, he realized that his actually success on the Job would be measured by whether or not my Depression ever subsided. Becoming Catholic took away the Depression. It would have been quite silly for the Doctor to stand in the Way of the Cure, no? And he did not. He is a good man... a bit downtrodden by Life... but basically a decent fellow.
     
  9. Cris In search of Immortality Valued Senior Member

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    Most of the world calls it imagination.
     
  10. Medicine*Woman Jesus: Mythstory--Not History! Valued Senior Member

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    M*W: Now the truth comes out! Just as I suspected.
     
  11. Leo Volont Registered Senior Member

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    Imagination is mostly creative. Good 'creative' writers are said to have good 'imaginations'. They scratch their heads and think up new and interesting combinations of possibilities. We could say that it would take a lot of imagination to come up with a truly orginal Screenplay after a hundred years of Hollywood reheating the same old crockpot of Crap, but we would not necessarily intend by this that somebody would need to have a Vision.

    Yes, there probably is some line somewhere which barely separates Creativity from Inspiration. But Creativity is forced and from the Ego. Inspiration comes from outside the Ego -- from a Higher Self or from a Subconscious Mind or a Super Conscious mind.

    So, Imagination may be too broad a term if it does not distinguish between Sources. Imagination may be connected to the Springs of Inspiration, but in most cases it is pushed by the Ego in an effort to Create. A Vision, on the otherhand, arises entirely independently of the Ego and appears to come from The Great Other -- it appears to arise up by itself unmixed with any conscious mental manipulations. In this sense a Vision becomes Objective. When a person describes a Vision, there is no creativity of imagination allowed. There is only 'what the visionary actually saw' Was the Blessed Virgins dress Red or Blue? There is no choice involved. The Details of a Vision are fixed and inexorible. Such is not the case with mere imaginations.
     
  12. Bells Staff Member

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    Leo, you astound me. He probably showed you his papers to aid in his trying to treat you. Maybe in the hope that you would identify yourself. The fact that he was fascinated by your dreams shows that he was in fact trying to help you. He probably realised that he wasn't just treating your depression anymore and he was probably rubbing his hands with glee at the thought of all the new papers he could write just by treating you, not to mention the fact he could now probably afford that new Jag and heated swimming pool.

    Becoming a Catholic may have taken away your depression Leo, but maybe it did not take away the other things that he may have been trying to help you with. Of course he wouldn't have stood in the way of you becoming a Catholic. Why should he? You appear to have found happiness there. But it's the other things that he may have been trying to help you with.
    I mean, colour coded sins? Come on Leo...
     
  13. Leo Volont Registered Senior Member

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    Yes, Belles, you know about it because you weren't there. Is that the way it is for you? The fewer facts to bog you down, the more you Know about things.

    No, actually knowing what happened is very restricting. It was my impression, from actually being there, that the Doctor saw me as a relief from his usual clientel. I had an advanced Education, was very well read, and was well travelled with a wealth of Personal Spiritual Experiences. Now, every Psychologist must be intrigued by the Similarity between many Psychological Contents, and the Contents of Religious Experience. I offered this Doctor a Synthesis. But you think that he would see this Source of Knowledge as a disease to be cured. But as I said before, not being there, you can be very much Liberated from the Truth.
     
  14. §outh§tar is feeling caustic Registered Senior Member

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    And here I was thinking ignorance is bliss..
     
  15. Leo Volont Registered Senior Member

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    Yes, that does express the same notion, does it not?... or maybe not quite. I believe the "ignorance is bliss" idea comes out of the mileau of Domestic Intrigues. That Husband and Wives are blissful as long as they remain ignorant of each other's various dalliances. I do not believe that "ignorance is bliss" has ever SERIOUSLY been applied to the Speculative Philosophies, but only in jest.
     
  16. fahrenheit 451 fiction Registered Senior Member

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    took up atheism:LMAO, biggest load of bullshit ever, in the entire history of the universe(another dream/vision leo).

    what a burden, to put on a doctor's shoulder's no wonder he feel's downtrodden, to have you on his book's.
    I feel so sorry for the man having to keep his mouthshut, while there's a psychopath roaming round.
     
  17. Crunchy Cat F-in' *meow* baby!!! Valued Senior Member

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    C'mon fahrenheit 451,

    There's no reason to bag on this. If we think about it, it makes sense that
    a person whom does not 'believe' may become depressed. Throughout
    history, we have been a species of believers. Those whom did not believe
    were punished (alot of the time with their very lives). This effectively creates
    an environmental pressure and those who could adapt would be the survivors,
    procreate, and so on. We're currently left with an overall population whom is
    bred with a pre-dispotition to accept assertions as truth without considering
    the existance of supporting and / or contradictory fact.

    With tens of thousands of years of genetic behavior influencing one
    to 'believe', it may be difficult for someone to take a non-belief standpoint,
    especially in a social environment where that lack of belief alienates
    the individual from those in his environment.

    In Leo's case, I suspect that he has a strong genetic disposition to 'believe'.
    Additionally, Leo is an extravert and not 'believing' in his environment would
    probably limit satisfying social interaction with others. One of the worst
    things for an extravert is limited or no social contact with others. The
    need to socialize builds up and demands release. Without that release,
    it would be easy to become depressed about it. A great example of this
    extraverted need is Saddam Hussein. He was in a hole without social
    contact for who knows how long. When he was caught, he was described
    as being bubbly, over-talkative, and a little goofy. That was simply the
    release of the buildup.
     
  18. mustafhakofi I sa'id so Registered Senior Member

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    and why should this be, for Leo is a Narcissist/psychopath.
    read The Mask of Sanity by Cleckley and or the Socially Adept Psychopath by Robert Canup or any thing about narcissist's/psychopath's it's enlightening.
     
  19. Crunchy Cat F-in' *meow* baby!!! Valued Senior Member

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    I pointed this same fact out in another thread; however, I see a benefit
    of repeating it here. Leo has exhibited some behavioral problems when he
    first started communicating on SciForums; however, he has improved since
    then. Granted, he still says some odd and sometimes insulting things from
    time to time; however, these occurances have still been reduced.

    I have not tested to see if Leo is a Sociopath. I am not confident that
    type of conclusion could be made solely from online communication.
     
  20. pavlosmarcos It's all greek to me Registered Senior Member

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  21. Cris In search of Immortality Valued Senior Member

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    Leo,

    Yes I agree to a large extent. However, the images you credit to external supernatural sources are more likely generated by your own brain as science is beginning to discover. The area in the brain concerned with this function has been dubbed “the god spot” since it is closely related to religious like visions. Note that those who suffer from occasional epileptic fits often relate religious like experiences during their seizures (Temporal Lobe Epilepsy (TLE)). More in depth studies of this phenomenon are beginning to locate the exact area of the brain that generates these images and sensations.

    Some references to neurotheology and similar studies.

    In Neurons We Trust

    How the brain creates the experience of God

    HOLY VISIONS:MYSTICAL EXPERIENCE OR BRAIN MALFUNCTION?

    A Student Essay on The Material Nature of Spirituality

    So while I am sure your “visions” feel extremely real to you they do appear to be generated by your brain in accord with your cultural heritage and beliefs. Others from different religious cultures also experience such visions but these are also constrained by their particular beliefs. Mohammed was a prime example and was well known to have periodic severe epileptic fits.

    Sorry my friend but your “visions” are almost certainly entirely of your own making, and that really does make sense given the incredulity of believing that mythical creatures like gods and angels might actually be real. Such things simply do not exist, except in the minds of people since it was people who invented the ideas.
     
  22. Leo Volont Registered Senior Member

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    It does not lessen the Importance of Visions that they are out of our own Brains. We are connected to the Universe, mostly through our Spiritual Heart, but where anything can rise up to the Quality of a Perception, yes, the Brain will be involved.

    There is a concept called "Integration". Most people are puzzled and confused. Perhaps these Visions, from the Brain, is the Brain's effort to assert Experiences which might bring some Integration to the Ego Personality.


    Also, I wonder that you can draw a strict dividing line between one brain and another. I know that some people can share common dreams -- I once shared a rather complex Dream with a lady friend of mine. Common Dreams indicates that there may be a Common Influence.

    Of course, as a Religious Person, I suppose an entire Hierarchy of Spiritual Influences, going up the 9 Ranks of Angels to God Itself. But that is difficult to demonstrate without a great deal of anecdotal evidence. But for now let us understand that there is Knowledge that the Brain has independent of ordinary sensual perceptions. We can assume there is a Psychic Sense. The most easy proof of this is to watch somebody. They will turn around to see who is watching them and why. No, it doesn't work on strange good looking women if you are a nerd -- they are so used to being watched that they quite consciously ignore it, and only respond if they feel that your vibes are interesting. But your friends will always acknowledge you and turn around. And your enemies.
     
  23. audible un de plusieurs autres Registered Senior Member

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    if your having hallucinations, I would stay of the LSD, it makes you do and say strange things.
    and dont burn any of those, josh sticks, they dont help either.
    "you will get labeled a nutter, if your not carefull ."
     
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