my mother gave birth to me, not no god. but if he did, then he should be subject to the same laws, as my mother. she would be sentenced and executed for as many murders.
Where did God kill out of jealousy? Anger, maybe: anger at the injustice and immorality of his people. More often than not He let it pass - such as when Israel worshipped the golden calf while God was giving Moses the ten commandments. But did your mother create you? Did she form you in her womb, and know who you would be before you were born? And who created your mother? And her mother and so on until the first mother? God did create you, your mother was just passing along the information. You say she would have been sentenced and executed for murder. By whom, and would that person consequently be a murderer? Who would execture him? If your mother killed you at birth, would she be able to give birth to you again? If she created you once, surely she can do it again?
jenyar: what utter rubbish you are spouting, you could use the same arguement for god, who created him etc, ad infinitum. I have never come across any stories, of a god or gods, creating someone twice. I am an atheist, no one but my mum and dad created me. try answering the right part of the statement ie: but if he did, then he should be subject to the same laws, as my mother. she would be sentenced and executed for as many murders.
and what of allah: same question 2: The Cow Don't bother to warn the disbelievers. Allah has blinded them. Theirs will be an awful doom. 6 A fire has been prepared for the disbelievers, whose fuel is men and stones. 24 Disbelievers will be burned with fire. 39, 90 Allah stamped wretchedness upon the Jews because they killed the prophets and disbelieved Allah's revelations. 61 Allah turned Sabbath breakers into apes. 65-66 3: The Family of 'Imran Those who disbelieve the revelations of Allah, theirs will be a heavy doom. 4 Those who disbelieve will be fuel for the Fire. 10 Those who disbelieve shall be overcome and gathered unto Hell. 12 Those who disbelieve, promise them a painful doom. 21 4: The Women Those who disobey Allah and his messenger will be burnt with fire and suffer a painful doom. 14 For the disbelievers, We have prepared a painful doom. 18 For disbelievers, We prepare a shameful doom. 37 Allah has cursed them for their disbelief. 46 and this list could go on and on also. the mormon book:say kill jews, preach it's better to kill, and they have an hatred bar none of the american indian.(lamanites) there name for them.
Are you equating yourself with God then? Because unlike you, God doesn't have a mother. God creates you once: gives you life, and life everlasting. The second "creation" as I used it, means being born again: no longer living a life governed and terminated by physical death. Why should God, who gives you eternal life, be subject to the same human laws that govern your mother who only gave you a physical body subject to death? If you were stillborn, would she be executed for murder? No, because she had nothing to do with you having life or not. On the other hand, assuming you could judge God for killing your body. How would you defend your case when you find out that He still holds your life in His hands after your "death"? That would make you party to the murder of his life - Christ. And your mother won't be able to help you then.
I see it as killing in both anger and jealousy in certain circumstances, such as killing entire cities of people worshipping idols, he's jealous that they are not worshipping him, and also angry for the same reason. Also there is a warning of killing from jealousy as well as anger in Zephaniah 3:8 - "Therefore wait for me," declares the Lord, "for the day I will stand up to testify. I have decided to assemble the nations, to gather the kingdoms and to pour out my wrath on them -- all my fierce anger. The whole world will be consumed by the fire of my jealous anger." This is one of my main arguments against the Christian God. Anger and Jealousy in my view, are not compatible with perfection. I don't rule out the existence of a god or gods, just the God of organized religions, since it's people who seem to dictate the laws of the God, not God [him/her/it]self.
Audible, For those who rejected life, what is left but death? The "fire" is symbolic for God's judgment over them, although that doesn't make it any more pleasant. Never forget the distinction I made: We are not God, we can't give life. We are called to love as God loves us, by sparing lives. When God takes our life back to Him, it will be spared if we have spared the one who carried our guilt upon himself. The Mormons can have their alien god from another planet, and the Muslims have Muhammed - it's easy to condemn people for not following your religion - but I believe only Christ is qualified to promise life, inside or outside religion.
jenyar she's an atheist, as am I. so she does not believe in a god /gods and I agree with her the only people( if you like entitys ) that created me are my mother and father.( I have no other body, but my physical body)and yes I am equal to and better then any god /gods .(he does'nt hold my life in his hand, I, and I alone, am the only one that has control of my destiny.) if god has no mother he must have a creator, of some kind he could not of just existed thats ludicrous.
Apetheio, with all respect, I think your conclusion is premature. The jealousy of God is not an emotional reaction as we have become used to using the word. The Hebrew word 'jealous' comes from a hen protecting its nest "jealously". In other words, it won't let anything threaten them. False gods lead people astray, they threaten the safety you have under God, but it is wilfully straying that angers God. But He never gives up on you, He looks for you until you are willing to come back to Him. Your lifestyle determines how far you are from Him - people who persist in sin and don't want to repent from it anger God, like a wilful child angers his father - that doesn't mean He can't love you anymore, just that you're walking a fine line. PS. To be fair, you have to read the rest of Zephania's prophecy: 12 But I will leave within you the meek and humble, who trust in the name of the LORD . 13 The remnant of Israel will do no wrong; they will speak no lies, nor will deceit be found in their mouths. They will eat and lie down and no one will make them afraid.
If you hold your life in your own hand then you should be able to save yourself. Either that, or you are content that your destiny is to die whatever death awaits you. Nothing wrong with that, it's a choice you make. Just know that in His eyes, you are proclaiming ultimate ownership your life, even though you didn't earn it or choose it; you are your own god. In other words: Is.14:13 You said in your heart, "I will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne above the stars of God; I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly, on the utmost heights of the sacred mountain. 14 I will ascend above the tops of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High." 15 But you are brought down to the grave, to the depths of the pit.
I was unaware that the word 'jealous' meant something different in Hebrew. Thank you for bringing that to my attention. Although I still stand by my statement that the Bible seems to succumb to Human law of that time, such as woman have a lower status then men, and in some cases, women being treated as almost property. Slavery being justified in the Bible, and people being stoned. I wouldn't think God would base his laws around the law of that time, nor would his law follow verbatim the laws of the people. That is my explanation to all the terrible things that have happened in the Bible, that it was humans who made the law, not God. Oh, and I thought I should provide a verse to back up about the woman being treated as property. Deuteronomy 22:28-29 - "If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay the girl's father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the girl, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her for as long as he lives." That verse shows that the woman's psychological welfare was never given consideration. Stoning: Deuteronomy 21:18-21 - "If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him, his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of his town. They shall say to the elders, "This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a profilgate and a drunkard." Then all the men of his town shall stone him to death. You must purge the evil from amoung you. All Israel will hear of it and be afraid." Slavery: Leviticus 25:44-45 - "Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living amoung you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will be come your property. You can will them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly."
Apeitheo: I was unaware that the word 'jealous' meant something different in Hebrew. Thank you for bringing that to my attention. Although I still stand by my statement that the Bible seems to succumb to Human law of that time, such as woman have a lower status then men, and in some cases, women being treated as almost property. Slavery being justified in the Bible, and people being stoned. I wouldn't think God would base his laws around the law of that time, nor would his law follow verbatim the laws of the people. That is my explanation to all the terrible things that have happened in the Bible, that it was humans who made the law, not God. ************* M*W: Apeitheo, the words of the OT and NT may have had entirely accurate meanings in the times they were written and read. Now, however, those words have 'evolved' along with the languages of the humans reading them. I would venture to say that modern translation of the Bible has been molested over the past 5,000 years, and absolutely nothing translates accurately over that period of time. Even as 'recent' as the NT (the time long after Jesus' departure), there were a lot of code words used to signify other meanings. For example, a lot of 'names' found in the Bible are actually 'titles,' like 'Mary,' a temple priestess; 'Martha,' and initiate of a temple priestess; and 'Joseph,' an occupational title of a landowner or 'mayor.' Interestingly, the variations of the titles "Mar,' 'Mari,' and 'Maria,' actually means a woman of high stature who is called the 'Lord!' 'Mary' also holds the connotation of 'bitter woman,' but 'bitter' is a modern translation. Back in the days of the OT and NT writers, 'Mary' meant a 'woman of independent means.' Another modern meaning of Mary is 'tower.' Back then, the translation of Mary was a 'high-class woman' or 'a wise woman.' Contemporary meanings of titles have been influenced by the original writings of the bible (which there are none to be found, and even if one was found, the meanings still wouldn't be the same today!), and the subsequent mistranslations in the bible have been to politically sway the meanings intentionally for controlling the masses. Knowing the corrected meanings of words used thousands of years ago is of utmost importance, because what one reads in the bible today is totally inaccurate -- since the words evolved along with the human error factor when the scribes were making copies of the original lost texts. In other words, there is more truth to be found in comic books today than in the bible.
Revelations 13:10 10 If anyone is to go into captivity, into captivity he will go. If anyone is to be killed with the sword, with the sword he will be killed. This calls for patient endurance and faithfulness on the part of the saints.
Of course . No not content, but we know we have to make the most of life now, as it's the only life you have,therefore we respect life more then any religious zealot. non existent to me If not me who else has earn my life Most Definitely and you need'nt quote scripture it's just hearsay. I believe all atheist will agree with musta and audible: jenyar she's an atheist, as am I. so she does not believe in a god /gods and I agree with her the only people( if you like entitys ) that created me are my mother and father.( I have no other body, but my physical body)and yes I am equal to and better then any god /gods .(he does'nt hold my life in his hand, I, and I alone, am the only one that has control of my destiny.) if god has no mother he must have a creator, of some kind he could not of just existed thats ludicrous. the red bit is what you should be replying too, instead of trying to convert us.
See that is the problem because Atheists can't prove what created the universe and we know that naturally, Nothing cannot created something. Your logic with saying that something must have created the creator is flawed, because you have no answer even as to the origin of the universe. You will always have this problem as long as you build your world on reason. Without believing that this universe was created supernaturally, you will never find an answer to the origin.
squigly if you take a look at the post you will find that the holy then now jenyar brought the subject up, by saying that a person mother and father were'nt there creator how stupid. for some strange reason you people, seem to think it's wise to preach, that we could not have just happen, but must of been created. but get all defensive if we use the same thing about your god, you cant have it both ways dopey. anyway it is not for the athiest to disprove god as we know the is'nt one, but for you zealots to prove it as you the delusional ones
"You People" (Sorry, made me think of a movie. It was a big black man that was like "you people" huh, Ill woop you. I forget which one though. Weird) I think what Jenyar was saying is that God created the process for reproduction. So really a person moving inside the laws of nature that God set up are merely acting inside of a system and not creating a system. You could say the same thing as an evolutionist. Your mom and dad don't create, the merely work out a natural system that produces. It is like I have a tree. I cut it down and have lumber to build a house. I produced the house, but I didn't create the seed that made the tree that made the house. The atheists don't have to disprove god to others, because they spend their life trying to convince themselves of that.
Revelation 13 NKJV 10 He who leads into captivity shall go into captivity; he who kills with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints. All praise The Ancient of Days
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Of course He has a creator.... man. "The most preposterous notion that H. sapiens has ever dreamed up is that the Lord God of Creation, Shaper and Ruler of all the Universes, wants the saccharine adoration of His creatures, can be swayed by their prayers, and becomes petulant if He does not receive this flattery. Yet this absurd fantasy, without a shred of evidence to bolster it, pays all the expenses of the oldest, largest, and least productive industry in all history." ~Lazarus Long
