How the USA can Win the war on Terror

Discussion in 'World Events' started by shadarlocoth, Aug 10, 2004.

  1. MacM Registered Senior Member

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    1 - Whole nations and all muslims are not religious fanatics. Most muslims (even though they may not care for us as buddies, damn sure don't like the terroists.

    2 - Europe, unfortunately are opportunists. They will bask in the light of freedom as long as we make the sacrifices to keep it alive. Meanwhile it is self preservation that causes them to find objections to standing up and being counted.

    If so, so be it. If the violent numbers become to burdensome then they will be nuked and indeed there will be none left. Lets hope they are not that foolish.

    Hardly. The number of nations that have sufficient nukes to control the situation is fortunately limited, and includes us as one of the largest possessors.

    I would not be prone to defend other nations from terror if they lhave thumbed their noses at us. Let them learn the hard way that sucking up to these goat eye eaters doesn't buy peace.
     
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  3. Eng Grez Registered Senior Member

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    1. People aren't born terrorists, unless of course they are born to terrorist parents. But if you eliminate all the terrorists then they won't have children, now will they?

    2. We're not targeting countries in the War on Terror, we're getting groups and individuals.

    3. ...Since when did you have to destroy an entire religion to get at extremists? Wtf?

    We can destroy Islamist terrorism by destroying the governments that support them, as well as the ideologies which fuel them.
     
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  5. MacM Registered Senior Member

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    Well said.
     
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  7. Avatar smoking revolver Valued Senior Member

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    Eng Grez:
    1. so all terrorists are one family related? no dear, many of them developed their reasoning independently. destroy them all and new will arise.

    2. which happen to live in certain independent countries

    3. how do you seperate all extremists from the religion? ask them?

    4. that contradicts with your 2nd statement
    and you can not shoot dead an idealogy, not if you don't kill any single individual that supports it
     
  8. cckieran HighSchool Phys/Chem student Registered Senior Member

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    Implied by this statement is that any child to terrorist parents is a terrorist by default. Does eliminating all the terrorists include eliminating their infant and young children as well?



    I don't check sciforums for a few days and we've moved on to terrorism. Without many of the issues under discussion on the war in Iraq being resolved either.



    I don't think that terrorism can ever be completely eliminated. Some people are always going to use violence to try to change society. I think that it is possible to reduce the number of terrorist acts to the point that they are extremely rare, but not to eliminate them altogether.
    So if 'winning the war on terror' means killing all terrorists everywhere forever, I don't think it can be done. If winning the war on terror means stopping all people from ever using terrorist methods, I don't think it can be done. If winning the war on terror means having the general populace unafraid of terrorist actions, and not needing to be wary of terrorists whenever they board an aircraft, then yes I think it can be won.
    And while the use of armed force is one option, it's probably not be the best, especially when things like Abu Ghraib happen and how terrorists retaliate.
     
  9. MacM Registered Senior Member

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    Then one hasn't killed them all, otherwise you stand corrected. All means ALL that must be killed.

    They can remain independant countries for as long as they do not encourage, support and harbor terrorists and terrorisim. Otherwise there will be no more country. There is no passive position in this you must chose your side and destiny. You are with us or against us. It is your choice. There is no third option if terrorisim lurks in your borders.

    Kill them. Frankly I personally think we should take the OBL gang and as terrorists behead their captures, behead 10/1 in public for each inncident. Perhaps they would learn it isn't such a good deal. Terror can work both ways.

    Then kill each and every person that supports acting on their ugly, unworthy, religious beliefs and thoughts.

    You are free to believe whatever the hell you please. You are not free to act on those beliefs without being held accountable.
     
  10. Avatar smoking revolver Valued Senior Member

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    After your post I feel like joining with the terrorists.

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    The USA isn't indestructable.
     
  11. madanthonywayne Morning in America Registered Senior Member

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    So the greatest example of foriegn aide in history doesn't count because it benefited the US to some extent? By that standard any good dead would be suspect. Clearly any person, or nation, must believe that whatever action it takes is in it's own interest even if only insomuch as it improves one's chance of avoiding eternal damnation or allows one to feel superior to the selfish bastards who don't give. By your standard no one ever does anything for anything but selfish reasons and therefore no one should ever be lauded for doing a good deed if there is any possible tangible benefit to themselves. I'd say that's a pretty crappy and counter-productive worldview.
     
  12. MacM Registered Senior Member

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    Help yourself. You are already giving them aid and verbal support.

    Indestructable?

    Perhaps not but it would take Russia or something equivelent to make a dent. These piss ants can't even make a scratch. They are a bunch of pussies.

    The only way we will lose is if this country loses the will to exercise it right of self defense. That will only happen if they change tactics and stop their killing. Each terrorist act strengthens our resolve, it doesnot frighten us. It just pisses us off.

    You really don't want to piss us off.
     
  13. MacM Registered Senior Member

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    There was a resolution to use force. What is the differance? Further no nation needs the approval of the UN to exercise self-defense.
     
  14. Undecided Banned Banned

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    But you are spreading a mis-statment by the President. It has been clarified what he meant was we will not win the war in terms we recognize. that is there will be no peace treaty or formal signing. But win we will, because if we are the only humans left alive, we will win.

    That’s one way at looking at those comments; the realistic way at look at those comments are stating what has been stated for a long time. Firstly you are not in a war; you are really in a “counter-insurgency” program that merely transcends borders. As you should know that Bush has made you less safe, has become the poster boy for the Islamic fundamentalists, and Iraq was a “Christmas present” to Osama. America’s tactics have made things significantly worse. I have my way of fighting against the terrorists, but it will be different then what Bush is doing. If as you say be no peace treaty or formal signing why are you fighting it in a formal way?

    There can be no terrosim if there are no terroists and I hope we kill each and every person that would "Unprovoked" kill in the name of their F.... God.

    Start with Bush, he invaded Iraq because of God, starting a unprovoked war with Iraq. Irony doesn’t miss this poster.

    EngGrez

    Every time a terrorist is foiled, we win.[ Every extremist killed or brought to justice is a victory. To quote Starship troopers- 'They'll keep fighting! And they'll win!'.

    Wow…Starship troopers…that’s beyond pathetic. Anyways…the sad reality is that the more you kill the more they gain in strength. Ever hear of the concept of martyrdom? Because they love it when you kill them… so continue giving them what they want genius.

    We are going to win this war in the end, Undecided. Not you, or any other terrorist can stop that.

    I’m a terrorist? You more idiotic then I had previously thought.
     
  15. Undecided Banned Banned

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    So the greatest example of foriegn aide in history doesn't count because it benefited the US to some extent? By that standard any good dead would be suspect.

    Its called the egoistic hook look it up some time.

    By your standard no one ever does anything for anything but selfish reasons and therefore no one should ever be lauded for doing a good deed if there is any possible tangible benefit to themselves. I'd say that's a pretty crappy and counter-productive worldview.

    That’s reality…learn some philosophy…we do things for our own benefit.
     
  16. Truenemo1889 Registered Senior Member

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    the war on terror cannot be won ....the end
     
  17. Eng Grez Registered Senior Member

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    Undecided doesn't have to prove his belief to anyone. Thats because it is exactly that, his belief. These are not facts. There is no evidence for his assertions. They are merely his worthless opinions, and they will be treated as such.

    Plus, considering that they also want to kill us, I prefer giving them martyrdom. Wouldn't you?
     
  18. Undecided Banned Banned

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    Undecided doesn't have to prove his belief to anyone. Thats because it is exactly that, his belief. These are not facts. There is no evidence for his assertions. They are merely his worthless opinions, and they will be treated as such.

    And you are so much better correct? Well actually I do have proof to support my assertion, do something that should shock you…read and learn:

    http://www.sciforums.com/showpost.php?do=showpost&p=669546

    Plus, considering that they also want to kill us, I prefer giving them martyrdom. Wouldn't you?

    No, because it’s like saying: since the cancer cells like cigarette smoke let’s give them more.

    One day EngGrez you will learn the futility of your opinions...one day.
     
  19. MacM Registered Senior Member

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    You got to be shitting us. Are you a troll? You can't possibly be this niave.

    1 - "Start with Bush, he invaded Iraq because of God"

    MInd where you get this little bit of wisdom?

    2 - "starting a unprovoked war with Iraq. "?

    You of course do not consider that thumbing his nose at the world community for how many years over weapons inspection and his refusal to allow unhindered inspections to resume and his history of conduct killing thousands of his own people have any bearing on his credabity and trustworthyness.

    Do not expect us or any rational nation to stand by and wait to be attacked once again. They stated this shit and we will finish it.
     
  20. MacM Registered Senior Member

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    Well then bend over and stick your ass toward the moon and kiss the earth and praise the sun, oh maybe you already do that crap. Sorry.
     
  21. Undecided Banned Banned

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    You got to be shitting us. Are you a troll? You can't possibly be this niave.

    Touche…

    MInd where you get this little bit of wisdom?

    You of course do not consider that thumbing his nose at the world community for how many years over weapons inspection and his refusal to allow unhindered inspections to resume and his history of conduct killing thousands of his own people have any bearing on his credabity and trustworthyness.

    Sorry that Bull shit doesn’t apply this time round because he was co-operating with UNSCOM, and the inspections were not over. It was the US not Saddam who asked them to leave…so the US with her ADHD couldn’t wait.

    Do not expect us or any rational nation to stand by and wait to be attacked once again. They stated this shit and we will finish it.

    LOL! Ok now Saddam attacked you…you’re the gullible, ignorant one not me.
     
  22. MacM Registered Senior Member

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    Don't mis-interprete my view. I agree Bush was far to eager to attack Iraq (actually personally Saddam). Recognizing that however, doesn't alter the fact that he had for years interferred with inspections, then threw out the inspectors and once again was not be fully cooperative and open and was continuing to try and have it both ways.

    Yes as a matter of fact. But not 9/11. He had for years been attacking our aircraft over the no-fly zones, which were established with his agreement (under duress for sure) as part of the end of the Gulf War. He openly advocated and encouraged lthose that did attack us and had the lack of good common sense to shut his stupid mouth or to speak to us and of us with respect.

    That in itself is not cause for war but the other issues (and there are many, many more) were. Topping off those issues with a smart mouth got his lip busted. That is what should happen to smart mouth bullies.

    If you don't have what it takes in the seat of your pants you best shut the hell up and mind your place. Claiming to the world how he would decimate us, yada yada, and that Allah insured he would win and just like Baghdad Bob claiming we were surrounded and being wipped out in the desert, while infact we were overtaking the airport, is the very lack of common sense and good prudence that got his ass kicked.

    "The MOTHER OF ALL WARS" and we kicked his punny ass in a matter of days.

    Big mouth, small brain, compounded by false beliefs in a God.

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    I would love to see a bonifide source for this. I simply do not believe it. In fact if it is true, I personally would try to petition that he be impeached.
     
  23. Undecided Banned Banned

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    Recognizing that however, doesn't alter the fact that he had for years interferred with inspections, then threw out the inspectors and once again was not be fully cooperative and open and was continuing to try and have it both ways.

    The fact is Mac the US gave Saddam one more chance and Saddam took it, it wasn’t like Saddam was an obstacle, he even destroyed his own Al-Sammoud missiles right before the war putting his nation in a weaker position. Sorry but the facts don’t exist here to suggest that Saddam deserved to be invaded. Saddam who did act like a dick for 12 years did not have a honest Casis Belli for invasion, acting like a dick is not a sufficient reason.

    He had for years been attacking our aircraft over the no-fly zones, which were established with his agreement (under duress for sure) as part of the end of the Gulf War. He openly advocated and encouraged lthose that did attack us and had the lack of good common sense to shut his stupid mouth or to speak to us and of us with respect.

    That was not the justification for the war, and in no way did Saddam present a serious and ominous threat to the US. That simply doesn’t fly…

    If you don't have what it takes in the seat of your pants you best shut the hell up and mind your place. Claiming to the world how he would decimate us, yada yada, and that Allah insured he would win and just like Baghdad Bob claiming we were surrounded and being wipped out in the desert, while infact we were overtaking the airport, is the very lack of common sense and good prudence that got his ass kicked.

    This has to do with?

    "The MOTHER OF ALL WARS" and we kicked his punny ass in a matter of days.

    Yet now it seems that situation has reversed, the war real had begun post-April 2003.

    Big mouth, small brain, compounded by false beliefs in a God.

    Bush…or Saddam?

    I would love to see a bonifide source for this. I simply do not believe it. In fact if it is true, I personally would try to petition that he be impeached.

    It was from the Moscow times...
    Or:
    http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/...2&subContrassID=1&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y

    I’ll find another if need be…you determine the validity.
     
    Last edited: Sep 4, 2004

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