islam is dragging religon into the gutter>>>

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  1. vincent Sir Vincent, knighted by HM Registered Senior Member

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    is religon being dragged into the gutter or the depths of hell
    by the actions of these all too many terroists in the islamic faith

    was not religon once a holy and noble thing

    now religon has become a dirty word, there are more atheists than ever before, and more and more people turning there backs on religon

    after the russian school massacre the archbishop of cantebury (uk)
    said even he was questioning his faith after this act of madness

    how can anyone have faith in the goodness of this world when these muslim terroists are running free and wild across the world striking at will
     
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  3. Lemming3k Insanity Gone Mad Registered Senior Member

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    Religion is being dragged into the gutter by everyone who claims to be a part of a peaceful or loving religion and doesnt follow it, muslim fanatics killing people, christians killing gays, catholic priests working extra hours with the choir boys, every religion has its bad people and its good people, when everyone learns to seperate good and bad from religion the world will improve but not before.
     
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  5. vincent Sir Vincent, knighted by HM Registered Senior Member

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    " every religion has its bad people and its good people, "


    lemon

    every religon does have bad people, but for the last year i have seen nothing but muslim terroist attacks on tv everyday, now these terroist acts are not being committed by other religons on a daily basis

    so if muslims are commiting all these terroist acts, you cannot bring other faiths into the argument, especially when they are not on a worlwide terroism tour

    and before any one mentions george bush he is acting on behalf of a government not a religon


    and as for the good people in religon please inform me of noble muslims
     
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  7. vincent Sir Vincent, knighted by HM Registered Senior Member

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    i will name two noble muslims who i think are very intelligent, and will only achieve good if they are allowed too

    the afghan president and the king of jordan, they are both educated men and can see past religon
    too see that people come first

    i also respected the king of jordans late father

    these two muslim leaders are the only beacons of light islam has in a woeful list of muslim leaders
     
  8. Lemming3k Insanity Gone Mad Registered Senior Member

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    Go out and meet some real people and stop relying on the media for your information.
    Good people dont have to be leaders, many good people dont want to be leaders, if u must judge people judge them on an individual basis, dont insist on wiping out a religion or blaming it for the actions of some people from that religious background, your as bad as the religious people that want to wipe out atheists on the basis that because they dont believe they must be evil.
     
  9. Ebony Registered Senior Member

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    Do you hate muslims??
     
  10. robtex Registered Senior Member

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    Vince I have one problem with your initial post (hypothsis). You cannot hold religion accountable for the actions of man. Religion is a philosphy based on the presence of divinity. Taking the responsiblity for the muslim indivduals moralality out of their hands and placing in the lap of religion which a philosphy and not a person is moving away from a solution not towards one. Maybe it would be better to hold the indivduals (not the religion) totally responsible based on the justification provided (or intrepreted) through their religion.

    I will give you a hypothical that is opened ended to bring light to this point. Suppose the economics and geography were the same but the muslim religion was mainly in the europe and america's while the christians were in the middle east. Would the resulting actions be less or more violent or the same?
     
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    Praise the lord!
     
  12. vincent Sir Vincent, knighted by HM Registered Senior Member

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    Vince I have one problem with your initial post (hypothsis). You cannot hold religion accountable for the actions of man.




    i can when they acting in the name of religion bin laden and his merry loonies all claim to be acting on behalf of islam saving the world from us infidels
     
  13. Lemming3k Insanity Gone Mad Registered Senior Member

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    How many times have other religions done things in the name of god or their religion?
     
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    while that is true is does not diminish the Islamic community and the indivduals from a personal and shared responsiblity for their actions.
     
  15. vincent Sir Vincent, knighted by HM Registered Senior Member

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    How many times have other religions done things in the name of god or their religion?





    here we go again time too dust of the history book of catholic attrocities
    to justify current muslim ones
     
  16. robtex Registered Senior Member

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    I see what you are saying now. That the muslims as a community hold a shared responsiblity for the action of the terroists because they propogate them through denial and apapthy. right?

    yea, that is good point, they all hold a communial responsiblty for the extremities of their community.

    I wonder has a muslim terroist ever been tried by an islamic court?
     
  17. Lemming3k Insanity Gone Mad Registered Senior Member

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    Who said anything about justifying it? Im just stating the facts that they are most certainly not the only people to do things in the name of god and their religion, as opposed to presenting a bias view that all muslims are terrorists and other religions have never done anything wrong, fanatics are just as bad no matter if they are muslim, catholic or anything else, how much clearer can i make it?
     
  18. vincent Sir Vincent, knighted by HM Registered Senior Member

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    has the lemon dropped yet

    yes but all the fanatics and terroist actions are happening in the islamic faith now


    and it is quite ridiculous for you or others too constantly remove the cobwebs and dust from history books to say other faiths are guilty of crimes against humanity.
    but these other faiths have learned from there mistakes, islam is not learning

    another day a new bombing, the australian embassy today, tommorow who knows it will be another country and another attrocity


    "fanatics are just as bad no matter if they are muslim, catholic"

    lemondrop i do not see any catholic or other religons bombing on a daily basis
    so how do you reach the conclusion there just as bad as eachother

    the suicide bomber is unique to japan, sri lanka, and islam

    so please do not compare other faiths too islam there is no comparison
    bin laden and his merry men are fighting against other religons infidels not countries

    today only poor indonesians were killed he new due too the fact the australian embassy was heavily fortified, that he could not damage it or kill its occupants so he sacrificed innocent indonesians to get his point across and also try too influence elections in australia, i suspect we will see another attack against australia in the next 8 weeks before elections, so that he can sit back with bedoin tea and say he was instrumental in changing another western governments leadership
     
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    Somehow i get the feeling that you wouldnt care about this subject at all if it wasnt for the fact that Australia was involved. All terrorist acts are not just happening by muslims


    http://www.globalissues.org/Geopolitics/MiddleEast/TerrorInUSA/faq/WesternTerrorism.asp
     
  20. vincent Sir Vincent, knighted by HM Registered Senior Member

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    i would care about this issue if it was against muslims

    terroists are the worst kind of people they destroy the lives of families
    300 parents mourning there kids in russia for eternity and beyond

    critically injured 5 year old indonesian boy today mother dead
    even if he lives he will never see his mother again, or know a mothers love

    my heart bleeds for all people who suffer from terroism.
    terroism is a pointless act which only breeds hatred
     
  21. surenderer Registered Senior Member

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    Well i agree with you so why dont you make your posts about TERRORISTS instead of all about MUSLIMS by what you say in this very post(the little boy) muslims are also a victim of these abuses by terrorists.....do you really think they care if they kill muslims or non-muslims? did the tell muslims not to go to the trade towers on 9-11? have you seen how many policemen in Iraq have been killed? they are a menace to muslims also my brother and I condemn them more so than you do(believe it or not) because there actions threaten my family and also make ME look bad (as a muslim) also
     
  22. vincent Sir Vincent, knighted by HM Registered Senior Member

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    notice i say muslim terroists

    if they are catholics i would say catholic terroists

    do you want me to lie and call them by another faith news channels call them islamic fundelmentalists whats the diff there still muslims
     
  23. surenderer Registered Senior Member

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    Because just because they come from Muslim countries doesnt make them muslims....If a American went to England and commited a crime should he be called a Christian criminal? only muslims are defined by the "fringe elements" of their religion....over a billion people in the religion are peaceful yet they are ignored in the media
     

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