Latin Vulgate Bible; Redoubtable Translates

But, if one cuts back and through the layers, there are some interesting paths that the early myths took. The way the different elements shift and turn, are rearranged and reinterpreted, between the various versions. They can tell us alot about our early years. The rise of humanity from beasthood. Religion certainly has it's faults (many) but, without it I find it likely that we'd still be primitive almost animals. From religion and religious thinking, abstraction rose like a twin. The abstraction that created gods also made it possible for the man-animal to become more. To reach for more. To imagine more.

Another thing to consider would be the alterations of form. A lot can be inferred from the changing of the tale from Marduk to YHWH. From the original murder in the tale I've got in store and the rearranging of the tale in Adam and Eve. Cain and Abel. Tree of Knowledge and the Serpent. Note also that it is the woman who is made to blame. In many earlier religions the supreme deity was female. The Earth Goddess type. The transfer from a matriarchal or equal society (hard to say which) and the patriarchal society is evident in some of the "choices" of differentiation. Note that I say choices. I have no doubt that many of the changes were accidental and incidental, but many (if not most) were likely deliberately done for a deliberate purpose. Intent once more. Hmm.

Or maybe I'm just too melodramatic on the subject. I certainly find it likely that written language would not have come to be without religion. There was some language being used for keeping records and such, but it is in the religious and propaganda-ish nationalistic (group affirming) writings that it branched out and began it's journey to what we now have. Religion. Art. Abstraction. Tool use was certainly helpful too, but efficient tool use is almost a side effect of abstraction or vice versa. The ability to improvise and to see things as what they are not. What they could be.

....Tangent alert. Veer back on topic.

I can't wait until you get to the tree of knowledge and the serpent. Cain and Abel also fit into what I'm going to say about the story of the Fall from Grace. Any one at all interested in this stuff, read Campbell's books. They have some very intersting stuff. Some of it may be speculative but it all fits so well.

 

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The reader may note the EDIT in my first post. In this amendment, I provided myself greater liberty in... err... my postings.

In this spirit, I continue for the moment.







16 Fecitque Deus duo magna luminaria: luminare maius, ut praeesset diei, et luminare minus, ut praeesset nocti, et stellas.

And God made two great windows₁: the greater window that it would govern₂ the day, and the lesser window that it would govern the night, and the stars.

17 Et posuit eas Deus in firmamento caeli, ut lucerent super terram

And God placed these in the vault of the sky, that they would shine upon the earth

18 et praeessent diei ac nocti et dividerent lucem ac tenebras. Et vidit Deus quod esset bonum.

and would govern the day and the night and divide the light and the shadows. And God saw that which were good.

19 Et factum est vespere et mane, dies quartus.

And by evening and morning, the fourth day was made.

20 Dixit etiam Deus: “Pullulent aquae reptile animae viventis, et volatile volet super terram sub firmamento caeli”.

Still, God said: "May the waters bring₃ the crawler of the living essence, and may the flier fly over the land and beneath the vault of the sky."



₁ The use of the word window suggests to me that God poked holes in the roof of the sky.

₂ It is literally "would be before for the day". The verb is a combination of the adverb prae, before, and the linking verb.

₃ "bring," as in "nurture"

 

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Kunax:

5164 days, exactly.
This means he has 5162 to go.
"The suspense is killing me", munching on a Wonka bar, "I hope it will last.

(this is the part where Vert tells me I've abused Wonka)

Vert:

Hebrew mythologies got 'nothin on them Babylonians.

 

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Splendid!

That's more than 14 years!

 

Quite right. If I remember right, the aforementioned line was said in the garden while Augustus Gloop was stuck in the suction pipe. I don't believe he was munching on a wonka bar. Hmm. I happen to have an mpg of the movie right here, I thought he would be eating a flower or something, but it appears that he pulled something out of his pocket wrapped in paper. So, it's quite possible that it is a Wonka Bar. However the line should read: "The suspense is terrible. I hope it'll last."

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But that's just it. They are connected as surely as night follows day. That's what makes it so fascinating.

My cheering fingers might be a bit stiff by then...

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Rappa,

Keep going, my boy. Nothing to comment on in the last batch except for the oddity of "crawler of life". But, I suppose that's just in word construction. It brings to mind worms and snakes. But, I'm sure it means all things that go on all fours, eh?

You've added no notes. And no post yet today.

Get going!! You can do it!!

 

Ahh. I was going to comment on the windows thing but forgot. Very striking metaphorically speaking.

 

21 Creavitque Deus cete grandia et omnem animam viventem atque motabilem, quam pullulant aquae secundum species suas, et omne volatile secundum genus suum. Et vidit Deus quod esset bonum;

God created the huge sea-beasts and every living and changing₁ essence₂, which the waters propagate according to its own species, and every flier according to its own kind. And God saw that which were good;

22 benedixitque eis₃ Deus dicens: “Crescite et multiplicamini et replete aquas maris, avesque multiplicentur super terram ”.

and God blessed these, saying: "Grow and be multiplied and fill the waters of the sea, and may the birds be multiplied upon the earth ."

23 Et factum est vespere et mane, dies quintus.

And by evening and morning, the fifth day was made.

24 Dixit quoque Deus: “Producat terra animam viventem in genere suo, iumenta et reptilia et bestias terrae secundum species suas”. Factumque est ita.

Also, God said: "May the earth bring forth a living essence in its own kind, beasts and crawlers and brutes of the earth, according to their own species." Thus, it has been made.

25 Et fecit Deus bestias terrae iuxta species suas et iumenta secundum species suas et omne reptile terrae in genere suo. Et vidit Deus quod esset bonum.

And God made the brutes of the earth after their own species and the beasts according to their own species and every crawler of the earth in its own kind. And God saw that which were good.

26 Et ait Deus: “Faciamus hominem ad imaginem et similitudinem nostram; et praesint piscibus maris et volatilibus caeli et bestiis universaeque terrae omnique reptili, quod movetur in terra”.

And God says: "May we make man into our image and likeness; and may they govern the fish of the sea and the fliers of the sky and the brutes of the entire earth and every crawler which is moved on the earth."


₁ I do not recognize the word motabilem, and, while I suspect it has something to do with the verb moveo, I move, I will consult an authority as soon as I can. For now, I have translated it as though it were a corruption of the word mutabilem, or changing.

₂ Earlier, I chose to translate anima as life. I now translate it as "essence".

₃ This is literally "God spoke well to these...".

 

27 Et creavit Deus hominem ad imaginem suam;
ad imaginem Dei creavit illum;
masculum et feminam creavit eos.

And God created man into His own image;
into the image of God He created him;
male and female, He created them.

28 Benedixitque illis Deus et ait illis Deus: “Crescite et multiplicamini et replete terram et subicite eam et dominamini piscibus maris et volatilibus caeli et universis animantibus, quae moventur super terram”.

And God blessed them and God says to them: "Grow and be multipled and fill the earth and subject it and be supreme to the fish of the sea and the fliers of the sky and all the breathing things which are moved upon the earth."

29 Dixitque Deus: “Ecce dedi vobis omnem herbam afferentem semen super terram et universa ligna, quae habent in semetipsis fructum ligni portantem sementem, ut sint vobis in escam

And God said: "Behold, I have given to you every plant, bearing forth seed upon the land, and all the limbs which have on themselves the fruit of the limb, carrying the potential, that they might be as food for you

30 et cunctis animantibus terrae omnique volucri caeli et universis, quae moventur in terra et in quibus est anima vivens, omnem herbam virentem ad vescendum”. Et factum est ita.

and to all the breathing [things] of all the earth, the fliers of the sky, and the entirety, which are moved on the earth and in which the living essence is, all the living vegetation [I have given] for food₁. And thus it has been made.

31 Viditque Deus cuncta, quae fecit, et ecce erant valde bona. Et factum est vespere et mane, dies sextus.

God saw all [things] which he made, and, behold, they were very much good. And by evening and morning, a sixth day was made.


₁ literally, "toward it that will be eaten"

 

Chapter Two

1 Igitur perfecti sunt caeli et terra et omnis exercitus eorum.

Therefore, completed were the earth and heavens₁ and every arrangement of them.

2 Complevitque Deus die septimo opus suum, quod fecerat, et requievit die septimo ab universo opere, quod patrarat.

On the seventh day God fulfilled His work, which He had made, and He retired, on the seventh day, from all work, which He were executing.

3 Et benedixit Deus diei septimo et sanctificavit illum, quia in ipso requieverat ab omni opere suo, quod creavit Deus, ut faceret.

And God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because on it He had retired from all His work, which God created for that He were making.

4 Istae sunt generationes caeli et terrae, quando creata sunt.
In die quo fecit Dominus Deus terram et caelum

These are the origins of the sky and the earth, when they were created.
On the day on which the Lord God made the earth and the sky

5 omne virgultum agri, antequam oriretur in terra, omnisque herba regionis, priusquam germinaret; non enim pluerat Dominus Deus super terram, et homo non erat, qui operaretur humum,

before any shrub of the field would spring on the earth, and the vegetation of all the region would flower; for the Lord God had not showered rain upon the earth [and] soil, which would [yet] be worked

6 sed fons ascendebat e terra irrigans universam superficiem terrae

but a spring was climbing up from the earth, watering the whole surface of the earth

7 tunc formavit Dominus Deus hominem pulverem de humo et inspiravit in nares eius spiraculum vitae, et factus est homo in animam viventem.

Then the Lord God shaped man, full of dust, from soil and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man was made into the living essence.

8 Et plantavit Dominus Deus paradisum in Eden ad orientem, in quo posuit hominem, quem formaverat.

And the Lord God planted a garden₂ in Eden to the East, in which he placed man, whom he had shaped



₁ Caeli is a different word from caelum, which I have so far translated as sky.

₂ "God planted paradise," more literally

 

HEY!!! What the hell happened here? Get to it, young man!!! You're slacking on the job. You haven't even gotten to the good stuff yet. Schnell. Mach Schnell! You've got some catching up to do. You owe us 40 lines as of today. Better get moving.

 

Schnell, Shcnell, Arbeit Mach Frei

 

Nunc animis opus, Rappa, nunc pectore firmo!

 

why are you doing this? for what purpose? & to what end?
& at 5 lines a day, why you'll be really old, by the time you get to "Apocalypse"

 

Coming up on 50 lines owed.

Cmon, Rappa. Like you said. At least Genesis. You can skip the begets if you want.

I'm so disappointed...

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55 lines owed...

Rosa. Looks like you may need to pick up the ball. You up for it?

 

It's called hurricane Ivan.

 

No. No. NO. NO!!

Say it in LATIN.

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Anyway, Ivan was over DAYS ago.

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But, I guess you're saying that you will get back to it? I guess I'll have to live with it.

 

One usually has more pressing things to do before, during, and after a hurricane, guy.

There's all the stuff that has to be stowed, lashed down, boarded up, and generally put out of harm's way... like furniture, sentimental memorabilia, boats, people and livelihoods.
Then there's the storm, wet, windy, loud, and cold. We had a tide of six feet, I'd guess, and we were in the fringe. It was probably twelve for some.
Oh, yeah, there were a few tornadoes to consider, towards the end... just a few... rapidly moving, wall-rending, freight train-esque columns of rotating air.

The power was out for 'bout two days.
Then, of course, all those articles previously attended to had to be broken out and set about just as they were, for multiple households.

It can be worse, though. The home can be flooded. That's never good, you know.

As it stands, most have now dealt with or begun to deal with the flotsam and jetsam, the fallen trees, and the roofs with which those less-than-sturdy herbae had close encounters.


Then there's readjustment to school, the wondering if Saturday is temporarily going to become a week day, the listening to teachers complain about their moist, muddy floors and moister, muddier lawns.


Yeah, this ends this episode of Redoubtable's Mouthy Monologue, stay tuned for the next annoying Test of Our Emergency Broadcasting System, several days too late, Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!



I'll get back to the translation today, rest assured.








EDIT:
With approximately one hour and fifty-three minutes remaining in my day, I resume this aimless endeavor.


9 Produxitque Dominus Deus de humo omne lignum pulchrum visu et ad vescendum suave, lignum etiam vitae in medio paradisi lignumque scientiae boni et mali.

And the Lord God brought forth from the soil every beautiful tree, as [both] a sweet food and sight, [and] also in the middle of the Garden the tree of life and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

10 Et fluvius egrediebatur ex Eden ad irrigandum paradisum, qui inde dividitur in quattuor capita.

And, for the watering of the Garden₁, out from Eden was going a river, which from there is divided into four heads.

11 Nomen uni Phison: ipse est, qui circuit omnem terram Hevila, ubi est aurum;

The name of one Phison: it is itself, which circles the whole Hevilan land, where gold is;

12 et aurum terrae illius optimum est; ibi invenitur bdellium et lapis onychinus.

and the gold of that land is the best; onyx stone and myrrh₂ have been found there.

13 Et nomen fluvio secundo Geon: ipse est, qui circuit omnem terram Aethiopiae.

And the name Geon for the second river: it is itself, which circles the whole land of Ethiopia.

14 Nomen vero fluminis tertii Tigris: ipse vadit ad orientem Assyriae. Fluvius autem quartus ipse est Euphrates.

Truly, the name of the third river, Tigris; it goes toward the East of Assyria. The fourth river, however, is, itself, the Euphrates.


₁ literally, "toward it that will water the Garden"

₂ I'm not certain that "myrrh" is very accurate.

 

15 Tulit ergo Dominus Deus hominem et posuit eum in paradiso Eden, ut operaretur et custodiret illum;

Therefore, the Lord God took up man and placed him in the Garden, Eden, that he would work and guard it.

16 praecepitque Dominus Deus homini dicens: “Ex omni ligno paradisi comede;

and the Lord God instructed [him], speaking to man: "Eat [your fill] from every tree of the Garden;

17 de ligno autem scientiae boni et mali ne comedas; in quocumque enim die comederis ex eo, morte morieris”.

However, you may never eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil; for, on the day and whithersoever you have eaten of it, you wither in death₁.

18 Dixit quoque Dominus Deus: “Non est bonum esse hominem solum; faciam ei adiutorium simile sui”.

Also, the Lord God said: "Man is not good to be alone; I will make a likeness of his helpers₂.

19 Formatis igitur Dominus Deus de humo cunctis animantibus agri et universis volatilibus caeli, adduxit ea ad Adam, ut videret quid vocaret ea; omne enim, quod vocavit Adam animae viventis, ipsum est nomen eius.

Then the Lord God, with all the living things of the field and all the fliers of the sky having been formed from the soil, led them to Adam, that He would see what he called them; thus, that which Adam called every one of the living essence is its name.

20 Appellavitque Adam nominibus suis cuncta pecora et universa volatilia caeli et omnes bestias agri; Adae vero non inveniebatur adiutor similis eius.

And Adam named, by their own names, all the souls and all the fliers of the sky and all the beasts of the field; truly, [though], no helper of his likeness was found for Adam.

21 Immisit ergo Dominus Deus soporem in Adam. Cumque obdormisset₃, tulit unam de costis eius et replevit carnem pro ea;

So the Lord God sent Adam into a deep sleep. And while he slept, He took up one of his ribs and filled in flesh in place of it;

22 et aedificavit Dominus Deus costam, quam tulerat de Adam, in mulierem et adduxit eam ad Adam.

and the Lord God built the rib, which he had borne from Adam, into a wife, and led her to Adam.

23 Dixitque Adam:
“Haec nunc os ex ossibus meis
et caro de carne mea!
Haec vocabitur Virago,
quoniam de viro sumpta est haec”.

And Adam said:
"Now she [is] the bone of my bones
and the flesh of my flesh!
She will be called she-man₃,
because she is a luxury, [made] from man."

24 Quam ob rem relinquet vir patrem suum et matrem et adhaerebit uxori suae; et erunt in carnem unam.

On account of [this] event, a man will leave his father and mother and adhere to his wife; and they will be one in the flesh.

25 Erant autem uterque nudi, Adam scilicet et uxor eius, et non erubescebant.

They were both naked, evidently, Adam and his wife, and they were not blushing.







₁ The lack of subjunctive verbs in this verse suggests that man's eventual fall was a certainty, not a possibility, to the Lord. He also states that they will wither in death, which implies that, had they never eaten the fruit, they would've been immortal... I think.

₂ Yes, I know it sounds awkward.

₃ Virago means masculine woman.

 

Ah. Missed yesterday's post. It's baaaack.

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Excellent. Getting to the good stuff now.

Nothing about knowledge of good and evil? Interesting. Does that mean that eating of the tree actually imbues one with good and evil? I suppose we'll need to wait to see what happens when they eat.

Now that is very interesting. Now we need some jews to give us the hebrew and some grecophiles to give us the greek.

But, the latin certainly puts a crimp in free will, doesn't it?

Which is probably why the Tree of Life was never made off limits.

Also, the Tree of Life has never been made illegal as far as I know.

Very odd.

This isn't usual Jewish practice, is it? I know that you are a jew if your mother was a jew but I thought the tribes still worked patriarchally.

Evidently? Now I really would like a hebrew version. And/or the greek.