I went to this hair restoration place and to get a consultation. They want to use this thing called a "low level Luce Laser". I'm only 23 and it is supposed to be good for people who are just starting to lose hair. Going to cost 2,000 over a year if I do it though. Has anyone ever heard of this? Does anyone know if there has been research to show how successful the low level luce laser is? I've scoured the internet trying to find valid scientific studies, but have been empty handed so far. I was hoping that one of you intelligent sciforums people will have heard some valid studies on this thing or be able to at least find some sort of link....thanks a million! -Trent
What he said. A 23 year old bald man is supposedly sexier than a 23 year old man going under hair treatment.
Frisbinator: I went to this hair restoration place and to get a consultation. They want to use this thing called a "low level Luce Laser". I'm only 23 and it is supposed to be good for people who are just starting to lose hair. Going to cost 2,000 over a year if I do it though. Has anyone ever heard of this? Does anyone know if there has been research to show how successful the low level luce laser is? I've scoured the internet trying to find valid scientific studies, but have been empty handed so far. I was hoping that one of you intelligent sciforums people will have heard some valid studies on this thing or be able to at least find some sort of link....thanks a million! ************* M*W: I've never heard of such a thing -- lasers -- yes, but they're used to REMOVE things from our body, not restore them. Since you've been unable to find any information on this procedure, you might want to try Rogaine. It seems to work. I'd be too afraid of being scammed by these hair restoration places. I meant to ask you, is it the start of male pattern baldness or just thinning? Tea Tree Oil is a proven natural product. I've see the results. Even Rogaine is can be harmful. It was first used as a hypertensive. Now some newer products (by prescription only) are available for hair growth. They started out as a drug to aleviate benign prostatic hyperplasia (enlarged prostate). It's a hormone for men, and I don't recommend women take it as they will grow a beard and their voice with deepen. Just a side thought: Do you live in the USA, and do you drink a lot of milk? There could be an association to your hair loss.
Going bald really bites. But letting it destroy your self confidence (as I have) is what really causes women to find you less attractive. I've kept an eye on developments in hair restoration over the years, but I've never heard of this one. If it were truly effective and worth the money, it'd be headline news, and advertised on television the way Viagra and Rogaine are. Hair loss is a great field for snake oil salesmen to hawk their wares, selling desperate men false hope. Save your money, and consult a real physician if you want to know the lowdown on coming attractions.
I found this about it: A Major Difference, Inc. was started about three years ago when president and founder, Bob Moroney, was introduced to ionization technology for detoxifying the body. With the help of gifted engineers and countless hours of research, the technology was improved, thus resulting in the current IonCleanse, total body detoxification system. In 2001, Bob began investigating the Cold Laser (Low Level Laser Therapy) for cellular regeneration, increased blood flow, neurological rehabilitation, wound healing and energy alignment. With his entrusted engineers, Bob created the Quantum System Lasers, a four diode cold laser. Because of the great results that the Quantum System Lasers delivered, AMD continued on to produce a two diode and LED laser, all three products under the umbrella term, Quantum Light System. An infrared laser is currently in the research and development stage. Reading that I wouldn't think it could really help out with your problem.
Actually one of the side effects of rogaine in some users was impotency. I went to a hair stylist about three years ago because my hair was thinning too and asked them. Has a whole I have noticed a number of hair stylists have been very knowlegable about hair loss and more importantly their opinion is not attached to the potential money they can make by persuading you one way or another. What I learned is that hair loss happen when the pores that hold the hairs (forgot what they are called) clog up and new hair is not regrown in them. I looked at some products too and was told by the hairdressers that I talked to --more than one---that looking at the side effects of the hair stuff was very important. One stylist recommended one called nioxin. I started using it in 2001 and in about 6-9 months the bald spot in the middle of my head started shrinking and is now just a tiny thin spot on the brink of extinction. The three set formula for it costs about 40 dollars and lasts about 3-4 months but if I remember reading it correctly is for thining hair as opposed to bald men meaning it won't do a lot of good if you already lost most of your hair. I am sure their are other products out there that work just as well with small or no side effects like nioxin and I would recommend waiting one year and trying that angle instead for two reasons: 1) you are still very young and hair replacment surgery is kinda extreme considering your age 2) the investment in a shampoo package will be nominal and losing one year is it fails is not going to impact the procdure one way or another this time next year. If you do decide to go through with the procedure the doctor should have refferals to give you. A refferal is one who had the procedure done to them that you can talk to before committing. I would imagine though if he had an unsatisfied customer he will not have that name in his refferal bag.
To the guy who said "Hair replacement is a little extreme for someone your age" This has nothing to do with hair replacement. It is a low-level cold laser that causes the pores to open back up and connect back to the blood vessels that the hairs grow out of and get their "nutrients" from. It is not like a laser that burns, it is on the other side of the spectrum, there is no "cutting" involved. And I'd be willing to get hair replacement, if I can get my parents to help me pay for it. Here are the reasons: I am young. I am single. There's nothing else wrong with me or my body, got a nice muscular frame, nice skin, it's just this F***ing high hairline, that will no doubt get higher if I don't do something. The thing that hurts the worst is that this girl I was seeing who is pretty young, she saw I was losing hair and sort of lost her attraction to me. I know that I shouldn't want someone that shallow anyway, but it still sucks............... I've already shaved it, just with a buzzer of course, I don't want to be completely bald. Thanks for the reccomendation up there, about the hair loss product, I'll look into that..... Anyway, when they gave me the consultation, he said that he needed people to do before and after shots. He said that if I agreed to that, he would take 25% off the total price of 3,000. He'll also take an additional 10% off if I pay w/ a credit card. I thought that the before and after thing sounded promising, either he is trying to make it sound like the process really works, or he really does have faith that I am young enough for it to be effective and really is interested in getting those shots. I need to make a decision by the end of the week, so if anyone else can find some kind of studies that have been done w/ this luce low level laser as far as hair is concerned, it would be greatly greatly appreciated, cause I cant find anything. Thanks for the suggestions also!
MW - Can you elaborate on the link? I deduce that the addition of growth hormones into our dairy chain is the root cause. Can you provide the deatils? Thanks
Eman Resu: MW - Can you elaborate on the link? I deduce that the addition of growth hormones into our dairy chain is the root cause. Can you provide the deatils? ************* M*W: That was what I was thinking -- the hormones that are in our cattle. I've had this theory, and I've also read about it somewhat, that dairy farmers instill their cows with hormones to make them produce more milk. I believe there is a direct correlation between cow's milk and ADD, ADHD, juvenile delinquence (studies were done about 30 years ago on this). I also believe it brings on puberty earlier and might, just might have some kind of influence on children's sexual identity. I don't know if this gender confusion is because of the mother ingesting hormone-induced cow's milk during pregnancy, or the infant who ingests it after birth. Could be both. When my children were in high school in the late 80s to mid 90s, there was a preponderence in gay students. I don't know if that could be because they were more comfortable "coming out" or if there was some kind of hormone-induced cow's milk affect. This is such an interesting topic, and I think the public needs to be told about the chemicals the Dept. of Agriculture allows to be added to our food chain. Thanks for your question.
Personally, I think your gf had the issue and not you. I think you should talk to a professional if you truly think that your attractiveness is based on the amount of hair you have on your head. My mother and I both happen to prefer men with thinner hair/bald. My stepfather shaves his head as he hates looking like he is going bald and would rather just shave it. As for the Nioxin, I wasn't there for it, but I have seen pictures of Robtex from before he started using it and now. It seems to have made quite a difference. BTW, the majority of male-pattern baldness is caused by a preponderance of testosterone in the body causing an overproduction of DHT. DHT in turn attacks certain aspects of the hair follicle, causing it to die. Maybe that is why women prefer bald men. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Honestly, I don't care one way or the other, as Robtex can attest, but if it means that much to you, do something about it. In this scenario, though...If he needs before and after pictures, the laser is still in fledgling stages and may even still be in clinical trials, although the doc should then be paying you. I do hope that it is a doctor operating this laser! And lasers are by nature a concentrated beam of light. As a budding esthetician, we are taught that certain colors of light have certain effects on the skin. Red of course being a warming and pore-opening color while blue is antisceptic...Hmmmm...I think I have a bit more studying to do on that chapter as I cannot remember exactly which you would be using for this. I do recall that the red light is used to make moisturzers penetrate deeper and blue is used to treat acne. So...If he is using the laser as a concentrated beam of light, yes, it could have certain effects on the hair follicle. I don't know about this specific case, though as I couldn't find anything on it either. I don't know if that was just rambling or made any sense at all, but there you go. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
This sounds quacky to me. I don't think blood flow to the scalp has anything to do with male pattern baldness. And $2K a year is a lot to pay to find out. There are a few ways to combat baldness (Rogaine, hair transplants), but if I were you I wouldn't sweat it. Just shave it all off. It looks great, especially if you have a good body, as you say you do.
I know that this just rates as anecdotal evidence, but I tried the Luce light treatment, and it did not work. I'm a woman and hence especially rattled by my hair thinning. I had the treatments out of sheer desperation. I can't use Rogaine, and propecia does not work well on me. (By the way, my dermatologist, a Harvard researcher, considers propecia pretty safe for long term use; however, it can cause birth defects--even in very low doses. He never mentioned Luce--and I was too embarrassed to ask.) The other posters are right: if this really worked, we'd all be much more successful in finding info about it. I think bald men are cute. Save your money.
I'm sorry that nothing is working for you Rivard. I know that having my hairline recede was very depressing, and it is much more common (and socially acceptable) for men to lose their hair than for women. Best of luck for finding a solution. I just clip my remaining hair very short, and wear a hat most of the time. And joke about how I haven't had a good hair day since 1990.
Male pattern baldness is associated with hormonal changes. A theory is that is has an evolutionary purpose: Basically, as your hairline recedes, you grow a beard, and thats supposed to create an illusion of a larger jaw, giving you the appearance of a fierce hunter. (I'm not sure about the milk thing, but I do know its full of crap like hormones and dead cell tissue. ) A lot of people associate 'fierce hunter' look with hobo. The truth is, unless you're extremely unkempt, women don't care that much about hair. They want a guy with the confidence and style of sean connery. One who isn't afraid to show his primal side. Spend your money on healthy food, sharp clothes, an investment fund. Anything but the treatment. You'll regret it otherwise. Oh, and exercise whenever possible. I don't think I need to tell you how important that is..
