Thanksgiving: detested, mocked, celebrated

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  1. android nothing human inside Registered Senior Member

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    As we gather around tables across the land, getting ready to gorge ourselves on justified excess, no one is actually fooled into thinking this holiday is significant. We all know it's a day off and time to spent with the family in a nation where you work 50 weeks a year. Hell, even if it were "National Rectal Exam Day" we'd love it as a holiday. We are surrounded by food, family, and comforts; insistent Death is far away.

    However, the people who are neurotic because of their wealth and positions of relative uselessness - everyone from the soccer moms to the newspaper commentators to the talking heads on television and the "celebrities" - will moan about the genocide of American Indians. There will be self-blame, and weeping, and then self-flagellation, of course, because it's easier to cry over a situation than to fix the problem that caused it.

    A little blasphemy is in order.

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  3. Roman Banned Banned

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    Turkey Day is my favorite holiday since I get to glut myself without worrying about spirituality.
    Just good ol' unadulterated gluttony.
     
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  5. slotty Colostomy-its not my bag Registered Senior Member

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    What is Thanksgiving a celebration of ?

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  7. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    The Wampanoag Indians were not the "friendly savages"
    some of us were told about when we were in the primary
    grades. Nor were they invited out of the goodness of the
    Pilgrims' hearts to share the fruits of the Pilgrims'
    harvest in a demonstration of Christian charity and
    interracial brotherhood. The Wampanoag were members of a
    widespread confederacy of Algonkian-speaking peoples
    known as the League of the Delaware. For six hundred
    years they had been defending themselves from my other
    ancestors, the Iroquois, and for the last hundred years
    they had also had encounters with European fishermen and
    explorers but especially with European slavers, who had
    been raiding their coastal villages.(6) They knew
    something of the power of the white people, and they did
    not fully trust them. But their religion taught that
    they were to give charity to the helpless and
    hospitality to anyone who came to them with empty
    hands.(7) Also, Squanto, the Indian hero of the
    Thanksgiving story, had a very real love for a British
    explorer named John Weymouth, who had become a second
    father to him several years before the Pilgrims arrived
    at Plymouth. Clearly, Squanto saw these Pilgrims as
    Weymouth's people.(8) To the Pilgrims the Indians were
    heathens and, therefore, the natural instruments of the
    Devil. Squanto, as the only educated and baptized
    Christian among the Wampanoag, was seen as merely an
    instrument of God, set in the wilderness to provide for
    the survival of His chosen people, the Pilgrims. The
    Indians were comparatively powerful and, therefore,
    dangerous; and they were to be courted until the next
    ships arrived with more Pilgrim colonists and the
    balance of power shifted. The Wampanoag were actually
    invited to that Thanksgiving feast for the purpose of
    negotiating a treaty that would secure the lands of the
    Plymouth Plantation for the Pilgrims. It should also be
    noted that the INDIANS, possibly out of a sense of
    charity toward their hosts, ended up bringing the
    majority of the food for the feast.(9)

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  8. slotty Colostomy-its not my bag Registered Senior Member

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    So whats it about then cosmic? Is it just a meal and a day off work?
     
  9. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    It is supposed to be when everyone from a "family" gathers together for a celebration of the past year and take in the families doings during the year. It was,as was stated in what I posted, started with the families of Pilgrams and Native americans to be thankful of the foods they gathered and living together that year.
     
  10. slotty Colostomy-its not my bag Registered Senior Member

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    Thanks cosmic, so does it all turn into a family brawl due to the stress and strain of meeting relations you would rather not see? I don't mean a physical thing, i mean having to kiss a whiskery old aunt you have'nt seen for years who still thinks your eight, and is threatening to knit you a train set for christmas type of irritation?

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  11. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    Sometimes, but if they stay sober that usually doesn't happen.

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  12. wesmorris Nerd Overlord - we(s):1 of N Valued Senior Member

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  13. Avatar smoking revolver Valued Senior Member

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    yeah, nothing to do with turkeys or indians
     
  14. invert_nexus Ze do caixao Valued Senior Member

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    Interesting. Although not really shocking. Many of our holidays seem to have taken on added weight as time goes by. A simple thanksgiving becomes rooted somehow with the pilgrims and the preferred cut of meat becomes a turkey. I wonder when these changes came into being? This past century? Much of the sacharinization of America seems to have taken place in the last century. The myth of an earlier time built as America became king of the world.

    Most cultures have an autumn harvest festival, don't they? Isn't Thanksgiving just another harvest festival? Last hurrah before winter sets in.
     
  15. Avatar smoking revolver Valued Senior Member

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    Yeah, we have two of these. The first one is called Mikeli and then the final crop and other stuff is harvested, then after the silent time of the dead/shadow period (with the culmination of what you call Halloween, but is very different). Then comes the time when all the autumn jobs are done and one can sit and eat all the stuff harvested, a celebration.
    It's called Martini. Since ages forgotten latvians have been killing geese on these fests.

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    I won't go into further boring paganic rituals. //giggles
     
  16. android nothing human inside Registered Senior Member

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    Martketing and the moral pretense of a "Christian nation"?

    :m:
     
  17. TruthSeeker Fancy Virtual Reality Monkey Valued Senior Member

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    Another excuse for more excessive and futile consumption...

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  18. android nothing human inside Registered Senior Member

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    Some day, we will eat Christians on Thanksgiving.
     
  19. rainbow__princess_4 The Ashtray Girl Registered Senior Member

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    i think its funny how in Australia we politically fixed up everything that was hurting the Aborigines, but society doesnt give a stuff about them. And in America its the other way around. Politically they're all disadvantaged and on reservations, but socially people feel "compassion" and "remorse" for what happened to them... :bugeye:
     
  20. rainbow__princess_4 The Ashtray Girl Registered Senior Member

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    I'll toast that

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  21. Aborted_Fetus Bored Registered Senior Member

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    I hate the human race.
     
  22. wesmorris Nerd Overlord - we(s):1 of N Valued Senior Member

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    What a shit attitude. You deserve the misery you create for yourself, because you created it for yourself.
     

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