We survived the millennium!

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  1. Gravity Deus Ex Machina Registered Senior Member

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    I was looking through old emails and found this one by a friend, who told me I can repost it where I wish. I think Jim has excellent points here, I'd be curious what others think - and will foward interesting comments on to him.

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    We survived the millennium!
    by Jim Walker -- January 2002

    Humanity survived all its Millenniums. Regardless if whether you believed the year 2000 or 2001 represented the millennial year, no worldwide horrendous natural disaster happened, the Apocalypse did not occur, the Rapture never came, Jesus did not return, and the world did not end. Not a single religious prediction came true. Of course some faithful will continue to believe the End will occur at any day, regardless of precise dates, but if anything should inform us about the fallacy of superstition, then two thousand years of false prophecy should give us a clue. How many more millennia will it take before the faithful begin to question their beliefs?

    Not that a few superstitious people didn't try to help the destruction of the world, mind you. According to the World Tribune, "The last weeks of 1999 saw the largest US counter-terrorism operation in history." Attacks by terrorist cells in eight countries failed due to preventative measures by law enforcement and intelligence agencies. Even the Y2K Millennium bombing attempt of Los Angeles International Airport by Muslim extremists failed. Yes, even Islam has its Last Days beliefs.

    "With small means and great faith, we can defeat the mightiest military power of modern times."
    -Osama bin Laden

    Unfortunately, one attack on America by fanatical believers had success. The September 11th attack by religious extremists killed around three thousand people. Fortunately this did not destroy the United States and it looks like our economy will survive. We know now that the attackers held a strong faith in a God and acted according to their beliefs.

    Revealingly, all of the millennial attackers, including the Sept. 11 terrorists, al-Qaida, Osama bin Laden, and the Taliban had one thing in common to drive their vengeful acts: their faith in God. Think about it. If no one held a belief in God, those attacks could not have occurred. If one thing stands out as the most dangerous threat to national security, then it must come in the form of people who worship God with a little more zeal than other people. The Sept. 11 attacks should have taught us an obvious lesson about the dangers of faith in God, but unfortunately, just the opposite occurred for most gullible Americans.

    Instead of chastising the attackers for their extreme faith in God, or for pointing out the dangers of faith, our President did just the opposite by appealing to America with his own brand of gun-loving Christian faith. George W. Bush acting like a self appointed priest of God spoke of a monumental struggle of good versus evil, crusades, cited Biblical scripture, and prayed. He broke the concept of separation of Church and State by establishing funding for faith-based organizations. Anyone who has read "Animal Farm" will recognize Bush's Orwellian method of transforming words like "religion" into "faith-based" to get around the Constitution. Instead of attacking the very source for which all these attempted and successful attacks occurred, he promoted faith to a new level never before seen in American politics. Faith, the very instrument which has created the most misery for humans throughout history and the root cause of the Sept. 11 attacks has just become more powerful. As a result, faith has made the world far more dangerous. For if an Apocalypse-like event does occur, it won't come from gods, devils, or godless atheists but rather from gullible human beings who force fit their beliefs to a self-fulfilled prophecy in accordance to their faith in God. Unfortunately both Osama bin Laden and George W. Bush have faith in god as a common denominator and both have spread its dangerous seeds. Osama helped spread faith in Islamic countries and George has helped spread faith in Christian countries. Both sides think of the other as Evil. Thank you Osama. Thank you George. Thank you very very much for turning the world into an Aristotelian two-valued superstitious war of black and white.

    George Bush's appeal to Christianity and Islam as peaceful religions insults the history of violent religion. Faith relies on hope and ignorance. Faith by its very meaning rests on a belief that requires no evidence. And faith in a vengeful God or Allah (as described in the Bible and the Koran) virtually guarantees violent actions by some of its most faithful believers.

    Not only did George W. Bush fail to warn us of the dangers of religious belief, but he resorted to the most outlandish belief possible when he included in his speeches the words, "and God continues to bless America." God Bless America? GOD BLESS AMERICA? Over 3000 Americans died on September 11th! The unemployment rate has risen to almost six percent. America has gone into a economic recession. Its treasury surplus has dwindled to nothing and many predict America will enter another vast deficit. Americans feel scared to death and have yet failed to "continue life as before." And what of the hundreds or thouands of innocent Afghan citizens who died for our cause due to U.S. bombings? Do their deaths count as a blessing too?

    When thousands of people die, our economy suffers to such an extent, and we feel fear as never before, then in what imaginable sense could a blessing of America mean? The word blessing means: a special favor granted by God; anything promoting or contributing to happiness, well-being, or prosperity. If we should force a religious word to best describe the results of September 11th attacks, then I can't find a better term to use than the word curse ("Execration" describes it better in a secular term). And what resulted from all the praying, flag waving, singing God Bless America, and the War Against Terrorism? Has anyone come back from the dead? Has praying restored the economy? Have we really thwarted terrorism in the world or has the religious outpouring caused greater hate against America and increased the terrorism threat?

    By all appearances, all the blessings and prayers have done nothing but console the pious mind into a feeling of a religious and false safety. Addictive narcotics could not have better insolated them from reality and critical thinking as had faith based on God.

    "There was a time when religion ruled the world. It is known as The Dark Ages."
    -Ruth Hurmence Green

    We have survived the Millennium but we may have in store for us a Dark Ages II if we let superstitious people run our world. Unfortunately America's political bent has moved toward a more religious direction. Thanks to the fanatical terrorists and our faithful president, we have in effect become a little more like the Taliban. History has shown us that governments controlled by religion have always promoted intolerance, wars, ignorance, and misery. America has its religious fanatical religious extremists too, but there occur reasons why our brand of extremists have exhibited less violence and intolerance than extremists who live in religiously controlled countries. Our forefathers knew about the dangers of religion based governments and purposely formed our Constitution as completely secular and included certain checks and balances. With freedom-of-speech and the separation-of-church-and-state as primary concepts we have enjoyed the power to criticize and to speak out against religious bigotry and the threats they impose. Religion has strong protection in America, but government run by religion guarantees intolerance of other religions. If we abandon our Constitutional rights to the faithful, then we will have no alternative but to succumb to the dangers of those who have faith in God.

    Sadly, even though our government started as secular, there has occurred religious political grass-root movements that have successfully put politicians, who have a strong faith in God, into local, state, and federal power. Many of these religious politicians want to erode the freedom of speech and church-state separations. It has now become virtually impossible for an admitted nonbeliever to hold office in any congressional or presidential position.

    The following fact should disturb you if you live as a disbeliever: even though at least 13% of Americans own no faith in God, and whether you call yourself non-religious, humanist, atheist, agnostic, freethinker, or secular, there exists no representation in government for those who reject religion. Note that women, gays, blacks, Indians, etc., all have representation in U.S. government, but not one federal statesman represents the disbelievers.

    So lets feel fortunate that we survived the dangers of faith (so far) but I appeal to those who have an inkling of rational thought to question those who appeal to faith in God by writing your congressmen, newspapers, posting messages on the internet, or simply discussing it with your friends. What better New Year's resolution than to make it a point to express your disbelief and to question faith as a viable means to knowledge and peace. Even if you believe in a god, surely you understand that extreme faith in God by people of other religions can present a danger even if you don't see it in your faith-based-institution. No?

    Have a Happy New Year as our earth (and America) continues to orbit the sun.
     
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  3. pavlosmarcos It's all greek to me Registered Senior Member

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    a bloody good post gravity, but it will fall on deaf ears.
     
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  5. Gravity Deus Ex Machina Registered Senior Member

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    Thanks, and yep - depressingly enough I suppose that no amount of logic or reason can be expected to ever change opinions which were first set without using logic or reason in the first place.

    We have as the national leader now a man who is absolutely uncurious, and has *boasted* about the fact that he does not read. Meaning any facts are now absolutely irrelevant. If an intelligence agent, a scientist, or anybody else gives you an answer you don't like . . . ignore or fire them and find one that gives an answer that fits your opinion, rather then base your opinion on the facts.

    Pretty scary and sad!
     
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  7. Dreamwalker Whatever Valued Senior Member

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    Aye, there are really some very good points in it.
     
  8. rainbow__princess_4 The Ashtray Girl Registered Senior Member

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    :bugeye: Does this mean that Jesus doesn't exist, or is long dead then? Because if I was going to choose a day to get some vegence then it would be at midnight December 31st 2000, while all the people were drunk and/or in compromising positions with members and the same and/or opposite sex. ...One more offence to add to the list of charges.
     
  9. Bowser Namaste Valued Senior Member

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    Wow, are we certain that the countdown started at the correct day, month, or year? I'm assuming that there are some unknowns involved, maybe even some arbitrary dates have been selected.

    Maybe this is an endless cycle of life and death and hell has no purpose but just that.
     
  10. Muhlenberg Registered Senior Member

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    Change a few details and this could have appeared in Yaroslavsky's flagship publication, Soiuz Voinstvuiushchikh Bezbozhnikov. The destruction his 5 million plus group inflicted on liberty and people of faith is described in detail by Gene Tunney here
     
  11. Bowser Namaste Valued Senior Member

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    That's too much to consume at 2:30AM. Have you a summary?
     
  12. Adstar Valued Senior Member

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    lol

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    a lot of assumptions came into the end of the world year 2000 theory.

    The first one was the supposed 7000 year plan of God. That is the theory that God started a 7000 year plan 6000 years ago and like the 7 days of creation the last day was a day when God rested So to the last 1000 years would be a millennial kingdom of Jesus on earth.

    Now i have no idea where this 7000 year theory came from but i suppose it sounds neat so a lot of people accepted it. But as far as i know there is no solid scriptural backing for it. Although the 1000 year reign of the Messiah Jesus on earth has biblical backing.

    The second assumption was that Jesus was born in the year 0. Now even most biblical scholars do not believe Jesus was born when the calendar says he was born. He could have been born up to 10 years either side of the year 0 most probably before.

    The third assumption was that the 2000 years should be calculated from the day of His birth. Why? i have no idea. it would be far more relevant to me to have the 2000 year calculation starting from His resurrection or His assumption or even His execution.


    The forth assumption is that the year 2000 was 2000 years after the year 0 on the calendar. Now we know that the pope changed the calendar centuries ago so that the number of days in a current year is different to the Jewish biblical year of 360 days.

    So the whole year 2000 thing was built on quicksand to start with. and it proves the following statement.

    Matthew 24
    36 "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only. 37But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.

    All praise the Ancient of Days
     

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