Indeed so... I never understood the "sellout" label. Well... I understand it, but I don't agree. Then again, I myself like the "elaborately produced" sound they adopted. One of the reasons I started listening to them back in the Ride the Lightning days was that it seemed even then that they put a little more into production than some of their contemporaries in the "speed metal" genre.
There must be something wrong with people that don't like the album St Anger. . . . I don't mean that literally, but I just don't get people sometimes. Then again, I don't get Pubs either — wink wink to RubiksMaster Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!. I like St Anger better than the older songs. I don't like how the older songs start out good but then change, get faster and faster, to the point where the songs's sounds resemble the sounds of others on the same album. It's a cop-out. In my opinion, Metallica got better with each album. The songs on St Anger do not sound like each other. I like that.
Depends what you grow up with, i grew up with their older stuff and when i was 16 they were the first 'big' concert i even went to. I saw them in their prime at the release of the black album, so i guess thats why i prefer their older stuff, what can i say, the memory remains...
Hmm, I think nearly every song on St. Anger sounds the same, additionally, the lyrics for that album are pretty weak. Many repetitions and nearly no content.
Athelwulf, It's because you're a young punk who doesn't understand the band. You like pop music obviously. It's ok. I hear that Metallica will be putting out a christmas album with Brittany Spears. Should be right up your alley. KillJoy, Right. But, I think that if Cliff hadn't died he would have maintained the integrity of the band somewhat. It was after his death that the band members began to advertise for instrument manufacturers. Cliff had always had bad things to say about such a state of affairs. Whoring for the corporations, he called it. Perhaps Cliff has been built up too high in memory and he would have in fact changed as well, but I doubt if they would have gone as far as they have gone. I mean they were wearing makeup for Christ's sake. WTF!? Anyway, it's true that one shouldn't expect a band to stay the same forever. Especially metal bands. The truth is that the metal genre is somewhat limiting to creativity. There are only so many blistering guitar solos before it all starts to blend together. So, taking their music down a new path is not something to be reviled in and of itself. However, Metallica actually meant something to a generation of angst-ridden boys (most girls HATED them and everything to do with them.) It has been said that the angsty teenager is just a tool that seeks something to rebel with. To play at being different while foolishly conforming to someone else's dream. And this is true. To a large extent, what is true of the goth culture of today is true of the metalhead culture of the mid-80's. But, even so, Metallica meant something. And now they mean shit. One of the biggest problems with the 'new' Metallica is that it is obvious that they just have a bunch of ass-kissers going around telling them that they're great. Look at Hetfield's vocals. Or listen to them, I should say. A dead cat would sing better than that freak, but here he is warbling away thinking he's Frank fucking Sinatra or some shit. James. Your power is in ripping out the raw, harsh, visceral shouts. The anger and the power that came through your shitty voice. Now you just sound like some Christine Aguilera (sp?) wannabe. Lars. Shut the fuck up you hyperactive pussy. (I blame Lars for ruining the band. If anyone in the band should be abused it should be Lars.) Jason. Ha. I wish there was video of you getting beat up by the boys. That'd be some funny shit. Kirk. Good guitars but dude, seriously. There's this thing called testosterone. You might try some someday. New guy. Whatever. Dave Mustaine. If only you weren't such a fucking loser to get kicked out of the band maybe you could have kept them together. But I doubt it. You probably would have just got all them hooked on heroin too. Metallica. Dead. Dying. Losers. I like to think of them as the Metallicatz. You know. Like coolsville, daddio. 23 skadoo. Oh. Bob Rock. Die you miserable fucking scumbag. Just fucking die.
They definetely didn't get better with each album. Their earlier albums were the best. Listen to "Kill 'em All," "And Justice for All," and "Ride the Lightning." They had such a better style back then. It was Metallica. Don't get me wrong, my favorite album is "Metallica" (the black album), and I like "Reload" quite a bit. Those are newer than the aforementioned ones. Although, when looked at as a whole, their old work was their best. Don't get me wrong, I like St. Anger a little bit. It is just not Metallica. When I want to hear Metallica, I don't put on St. Anger. And, yes the songs on that one do sound the same. They have started to sound like all the other metal bands that are new. They lost that '80s "tinny" sound. They were reborn, and now they aren't nearly as good as what they used to be. Which of their older songs start out good but change later on? Some of them (especially on "and Justice For all") tend to have long musical interludes halfway through that have a slightly different sound. But that is a good thing. It adds variety to the songs. It keeps the songs from becoming repetetive. And when do they ever speed up?? I like how much of their old stuff had an acoustic introduction. Very nice! I love the old Metallica, and I wish they would come back!
We all miss the old metallica. And even after napster and all the selling out. They still rock live. Even with the new bass playing, they put on one hell of a concert. I'll give them that.
Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! I like Rock, R&B, Alternative, some Rap, and yes, sometimes Pop. It depends on my mood. Btw, ya spelt "Britney Spears" wrong. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! The song "...And Justice for All" is an example of the song changing. This song, however, is a unique case, in that all the sounds it assumes as it plays are good. I can't complain about this song, but it's still an example of a song that changes. The song "Ride the Lightning" is another example, better than the previous one. I really like the intro, sounds great with a bass boost. But the sound of the song changes beyond recognition. I generally don't like it when songs do that. "Battery", on the album Masters of Puppets, is yet another good example which is also that of a song "getting faster". Very good beginning. But then the sound starts changing, and the pace quickens. By about four minutes into the song, the sound is distastefully rapid in my opinion. The albums I don't like so much are Ride the Lightning, Master of Puppets, and ...And Justice for All. Some of the songs are decent, but they commit the crimes aforementioned. Kill 'Em All isn't on my computer, so I assume I don't like it so much either. Those are the oldest CDs, I think. Metallica, Load, and Reload are better. The best album, however, is St Anger.
Reload?.... best album St. Anger? You're obviously a product of the rapid decline in musical taste. I'm going out on a limb and saying that Master of Puppets was Metallica's best album. Every single song on that album is beautiful... and every single song is different in it's own way. That album is metal played near perfection.. disposable heroes, orion.. what brilliant songs. The lyrics in their early albums though not exceptional are far better than their newer stuff. So you like songs whose sound doesn't change? Songs which sound the same and have the same old boring monotonous sound throughout? Do you think AC/DC are a brilliant group?
Athelwulf, The album "And Justice for All" was the most complex album that Metallica had done. The songs were complex and changing. In fact, I've read articles about how they don't even like playing songs off of that album because they are so tough to remember all the changes. That said, that album still kicks ass. But, know what I don't like about that album? One. One. That beautiful song, One. That amazing video, One. That bringer of the masses to Metallica, One. One was the beginning of the end. And the deal was cinched in the next album with Nothing Else Matters and The Unforgiven. After that, it was all over. Just waiting for the grave diggers now. As to the other songs, a lot of Metallica's songs opened with a melodic intro and would then shift into the harder stuff almost immediately. The examples you gave were like this. And I doubt that you'd like Kill 'em all (small trivia. It's original name was meant to be Metal up your Ass). You also wouldn't like the ep's and bootlegs that came out before this. I have to say that you suck. It's people like you that convince Metallica that they're on the right track. If nobody bought their worthless album then they'd have to try to cater once more to their real fans. The old hardcore fans. But, I think it's too late. Fuck 'em. That's what I say. Airavata, And don't forget Sanitarium. Metallica had a trend. Every album they'd put one purely melodic song. Something soft and sweet. Ride the Lightning had Fade to Black. Kill 'em all... Hmm. It didn't have one did it? So I guess the trend started with Ride the LIghtning. Anyway, these soft songs were great, but eventually led to all the teenybopper pop pussies jumping on the bandwagon. I can still clearly remember the MTV Music Awards of... 91 or 92 when Metallica played Enter Sandman. I can still clearly see the audience watching and unsure how to respond. Just standing there. Trembling. One bitch was banging her head sideways more of a head bopping than a head banging. But, that was when they began to sell out. When they began to cater to those pukes. As to AC/DC, they were God when Bon Scott was alive. And Brian Johnson put out a few decent tapes. Basically, everything up to Who made Who. Everything after that was pure crap. Every song exactly the same. I mean they've always had a signature sound, but after Who made Who it became ridiculously homogenous.
Just got "ride the lightning" yesterday. Its quite good. But I'm not really into metallica, so what do I know?
Wasn't "who made who" a movie soundtrack album for "maximum overdrive"? Has anyone actually seen that movie? Awesome album, but I think thats definately the point where they lost it after that. Razors edge had a few good tracks on it tho and they still put on a pretty decent show for the razors edge tour.
Um . . . No. I think I see now why my album preferences are different from yers. Ye'r into heavy metal rock. I'm into regular rock. Yes. Not the way you put it. Never heard any of their songs. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! . . . Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Ya don't like One?! Nothing Else Matters??!!! THE UNFORGIVEN??!!! . . . Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! *Makes cross with index fingers and growls menacingly* Now ye'r just being a freak!
Im not a big metallica fan, i like a few tracks but never a whole album and im not sure why, St Anger was a good track, along with Nothing Else Matters and Enter Sandman, the best for me is I Disappear, im sure theres another track i liked but i cant think of the name, but most of their stuff just isnt overly impressive to me.
Justice for all was badly produced/mixed, shitty sounds, where is the bass ? On the Black album I listen Enter sandman never, crappy sing-along-song, Nothing else matters and Unforgiven, cant beat Fade to black. They were evolving and pretty good in Ride the lightning, Master of puppets was their highlight, battery kicks ass still. After Justice they had done it all so to speak and headed to new directions, I liked the Black-album somewhat but to me, Metallica = Ride the Lightning, Master of puppets, and some other songs from here and there. Cliff was the dude who did bring "music theory" to that band, understanding the harmonies and melodies, and some kick-ass bass playing !
Oh, some more stuff. To Athelwulf: I am not hearing the "drastic" change in "ride the lightning." Okay, Battery does speed up by about 40 bpm in the last 30 seconds of the song, but it still ROCKS! Canadian" [/QUOTE]Even with the new bass playing, they put on one hell of a concert. I'll give them that.[?QUOTE] I bet they do! I am still waiting for them to come play anywhere near where I live.
I do like them. One more than the others. But, what I don't like about them is they brought Metallica into the mainstream. They paved the road to what we have today. Good for you. Bad for us. And don't you find it ironic that the name of the band is Metallica? Not Rockica. Justice was Newstead's first album. They didn't give him any rein. He was buried. Might as well not even have been there. Ain't that the truth? How the hell can someone claim to like Rock and Roll and say they've never heard much AC/DC? Boggles the mind.
I just haven't heard any AC/DC, okay? *Watches invert's mind boggle* Well, now that I listen to it more closely, there isn't a drastic change. I suppose "Ride the Lightning" is a bad example. "Fade to Black" is a better example. Listen to the first minute of the song, then skip to the beginning of the fourth minute. There's drastic for ya. That's very nice for you. Gee . . . That's odd . . . Where the fuck did that name come from? . . . It's only a name, dude . . . like "Bowling for Soup".
